dejarue

Whoohoo! Alrighty, I need to post notice with my current trading partners. Give me a few days, and it'll be time to switch colors and start sending offers.

[quote name='Corn Julio' timestamp='1311705253' post='2764311'] I agree. Thanks for pointing that out. If you look at the time stamp he signed up for that other one AFTER signing up for this one. He must have meant to pull out of this and just forgot to post his withdrawal. Ill drop jmaddict and add dejarue I hope no one else who has signed up for this is doing that. [/quote] Yeah I didn't mean to be a narc or anything, but that just seems a bit rude. At first glance everyone else here seems good. I'll try messaging a few people with open slots and coal/alum and see if anyone is interested in rounding out this one.

[quote name='jkl87' timestamp='1311696961' post='2764216'] Great! I'll put you on the list [/quote] Hey sorry, I ended up actually getting a spot on another list. :-/ Sorry, but thanks anyway.

Gold / uranium here. I can move to other colors

nvm

nvm in another

I have uranium and gold. I'll join if jmaddict backs out. Edit: uh... jmaddict signed up [url=http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=103342]here[/url] for a different trade circle... That's a bit.. shady, tying up multiple spots. Someone's going to finish their circle and find themselves short on a trade member...

[quote name='fluffyewunga' timestamp='1304261775' post='2703168'] Predictable. Scum attracts scum [/quote] awwwww You're cute. /me pets Cora.

[quote name='Geoffron X' timestamp='1301635771' post='2681976'] That's what I was hoping for. This is good too, I guess. I... do not at all remember GUARD. NADC was in a bloc with Sparta and CSN??? [/quote] Awwww I forgot Sparta joined in. That membership was short-lived....

[quote name='MaGneT' timestamp='1298495626' post='2643104'] I'm genuinely unaware of that offer. If it was 15k Legacy 5k CSN, I'd advocate to accept that in a heartbeat. While I am against reps at all, I cannot condone the damage that is being done to LoSS and Legacy nations as this continues. [/quote] Perhaps I am misinformed, but I thought that was the last offer made. /me rummages around and calls his senator.

[quote name='MaGneT' timestamp='1298486058' post='2642979'] DT has offered counter-offer after counter-offer, some of them numbering up to 30,000 tech in payments to CsN and Legacy. We still want white peace, but we really want to get out of a pointless war. We have no problem sacrificing ourselves if it is for a cause. The only cause here is the one that CsN is giving us. Time and time again your leadership has proven that their goal here is to neuter DT by taking our tech. [/quote] Wasn't the offer from CSN about a week ago 10k to CSN and 10k to Legacy with no restrictions, and you refused it? Am I inconveniencing you by posting that here while you pretend you've been offering to pay 30k tech here on the OWF and then go back to the negotiation table and demand white peace? [quote name='Lord Boris' timestamp='1298492475' post='2643057'] And in a stunning burst of irony, 0 is probably fairly close to what most CSN members will have for infra by the time they decide to walk away. [/quote] Why? Is there going to be a bloc of alliances declaring on us? Oooooh I hope you're in it.

[quote name='MaGneT' timestamp='1297744284' post='2633977'] Ah. Yes. Because 40,000 tech was proposed after an apology was suggested. Clearly you have the ability to think. [/quote] I suspect you do know that such a move has affected your position at the bargaining table, but I do also suspect that you are ignoring it and/or denying it for the purpose of publicity. The spin machine must go on. The record goes round and round, it doesn't get set straight.

[quote name='hewhoisgod' timestamp='1297707744' post='2633096'] CSN needs GOD to come up with terms, and RIA to enforce them? Is this an alliance or not? Oh and I guess honor isn't worth #@$%, as long as you have your precious "loyalty." (Loyalty to the greedy asshats, that is) [/quote] Wow. So much fail. Wow. GOD didn't come up with terms. If you had read anything you'd know that. RIA isn't enforcing terms. If you had read anything you would know that. You... haven't... wow....

[quote name='Captain Flinders' timestamp='1297662426' post='2632477'] Just so we're clear. One of the reasons CSN has been demanding 40k tech in reps from DT is that they entered against CSN's ally on an oA clause. And now CSN is calling in RIA on an oA clause. So either the reason presented for demanding reps was a complete fabrication in an attempt to justify extortion, or CSN just doesn't care that they contradict themselves at every turn. Either way, I wouldn't be terribly surprised. If you want to pull this kind of stuff, that's your prerogative. But do not claim any kind of justified high ground because you have none. This declaration could also dispel the idea that CSN is maintaining a crushing victory over DT. Supreme victors rarely need assistance. I generally have no ill will towards RIA and I do understand that you're simply standing by your ally, but it is unfortunate that you will be marred by the underhanded tactics of that ally. [/quote] It's obviously just a sign that RIA is amazing at being allies. I for one love my maroon brothers. And your... *ahem*... literacy.

[quote name='King Charge' timestamp='1297656110' post='2632181'] I have no qualms with GOD or CSN. I had in the past and currently have nothing to do with them. I'm just calling it like I see it. CSN should come out with an official statement explaining their point of view, and maybe I'll change my mind. [/quote] Well my point was, the rest of your post notwithstanding, that GOD isn't running CSN. They have about as much influence as an ally should have. We had Xiph talk for us when our govt wasn't there. It's happened before. It'll probably happen again. The only people repeating that talking point are the people nobody usually pays any attention to, anyway. The rest of your post seemed pretty thought-through.

[quote name='King Charge' timestamp='1297655720' post='2632165'] To members of CSN, you now know what your government [b](AKA GOD)[/b] believe to be fair terms [/quote] Awwwww... man, why'd you go and do something like that? See, if you hadn't said that, you wouldn't have outed yourself as a statement from such a nutty level of bias as to warrant skipping :-/ [quote name='Ashoka the Great' timestamp='1297655865' post='2632172'] Considering that you started off considerably larger than DT, your 30% loss is considerably greater than theirs. So the point, it would seem, is at the top of your head. [/quote] Were you just going to keep skipping over the fact we're not only fighting DT and hope nobody noticed? Over and over? How many times do you think you can get away with that?

[quote name='Dochartaigh' timestamp='1297655467' post='2632158'] i don't care about surrendering to be honest. i just doubt we are going to be paying 40k tech to ya'll in any variant you can think of. [/quote] You and me should take over negotiations!

[quote name='Ashoka the Great' timestamp='1297654946' post='2632141'] Amazingly enough, I believe he means what he says. I don't know how he could have said it more clearly. [/quote] Well that should make things more interesting. [quote name='Ashoka the Great' timestamp='1297654946' post='2632141'] Actually, [url="http://www.cybernations.net/stats_alliance_stats_custom.asp?View=Charts&Alliance=Commonwealth%20Of%20Sovereign%20Nations"]you are[/url]. And when you call in one of your SF pals -- note that I didn't say "if" -- whether it's GOD or RIA or whomever, the collective response of those on the sidelines will be laughter at your expense. [/quote] Look at the chart closely. Look at the slope of the last 4 - 5 days. Maybe, 50k a day? And that's having a front still open on LoSS. If you think DT is putting a hurting on us, you need to stop and try thinking through the math clearly. I am impressed with your clairvoyance however. And it will be noted for future rubbing in when (or if, whichever you prefer) you are shown wrong.

[quote name='Dochartaigh' timestamp='1297654640' post='2632132'] not really. cuz we never stated the amount of reps was too low. nor did we demand any reps from CSN. we asked for an apology and then retracted that the moment CSN refused. other than that it was white peace. your analogy comes nowhere near the mark. [/quote] Personally, as anyone who has seen the leaked screenshots is aware, I don't care about reps. But I doubt you're going to get away with not surrendering. If you want peace.

[quote name='Captain Flinders' timestamp='1297653982' post='2632106'] It probably doesn't need to be said again, but for good measure and because I really don't feel like reading this entire thread right now, Nordreich stands in full support of our close allies in DT. CSN's demand for such reps is completely wrong. Not the kind of moralist wrong, but the kind of "What the hell were you thinking? That's just dumb" kind of wrong. [/quote] I assume by "full support", you mean "just moral support"... I'm not antagonizing you, just curious. [quote name='Ashoka the Great' timestamp='1297654153' post='2632111']Owing to the fact that you're getting your collective asses handed to you, you will call in one of your pals to take some of the heat off. Why? Well....having lost 8% of your members and nearly 30% of your NS in less than two weeks, you're in no position to continue to make demands of anyone. [/quote] We're not getting our asses handed to us... Uh.... ?

[quote name='+Zeke+' timestamp='1297650784' post='2631967'] I think the mistake has been made that this is about participants in a larger war trying to resolve a reasonable ending once a front has been closed. What is going on here is a couple individuals using a war as a cover for banditry. It's opportunistic extortion, plain and simple. [/quote] This really isn't even slightly an accurate characterization.

[quote name='General Ozujsko' timestamp='1297649021' post='2631870'] Really? I've checked CSN's stats - you're dropping NS and members pretty steadily. And from what I've seen, your WC's are weak-sauce. Face it, CSN isn't able to back up their threats. I've said it before - we need not conquer CSN. But we must resist being conquered. And we are. [/quote] I don't know why you think DT is the only alliance CSN is fighting, but I guess all I can say is... you're not. Slight OOC note: On a side note I like how "unnecessary reading" in here is written in blue. It's like commented-out code changing color in an IDE.

[quote name='Ryan Greenberg' timestamp='1297648122' post='2631816'] What? They continuously went to CSN and said they would only accept white peace. CSN, even though they apparently fought for the unjustice of the Hegemony in Karma, said they would only accept peace if they got 40,000 tech. Why the hell should DT pay 40,000 tech? [/quote] This isn't really true, but you would have to read something other than DT's propaganda to know it. With DT's "negotiating" skills, it started to become true, though. [quote name='General Ozujsko' timestamp='1297646942' post='2631776'] 1) We made CSN a counter-offer. They walked away from talks and gave no indication that they would be considering it. This is fully documented in the logs. DT naturally assumed they were turning it down and removed the counter-offer from the table. Largely because of Point #2. 2) CSN's chances of receiving 40k diminish day by day. Everyday, DT's resolve grows stronger and our allies, friends, non-allies, etc continue to support us in our resistance to these terms, which are as unjust as they are unjustifiable. CSN's general membership are realizing that these terms are antithetical to their values as an alliance and they deserve praise for that. Listen, it's a really basic thought. CSN won't be getting that tech. It's just not going to happen. Simultaneously, they will never offer white peace no matter how many CSN govt get ZI'd or how much NS they lose to a smaller alliance. CSN govt has demonstrated, beyond any doubt, that they have no problem throwing their general membership in the fire. Their egos will simply not allow them to realize their failure. DT offered white peace because we are the only ones that can bring it up. CSN govt has refused this option...stupidly so, I might add. As such, CSN continues to represent an existential threat to DT. I've said it before - CSN's general membership knows how to make this stop. Depose of this trash you call government and seize leadership. Your government has failed you. [/quote] There are so many awful twists and turns in this little novel that it's easy to get lost in it. Even if I didn't know what was going on, this would read like a bad propaganda piece. You're not going to turn the CSN membership against its leadership, even if we did feel aggrieved. But you know that, and this little stunt, as you probably know, will only serve to strengthen CSN support of its government in putting your feet to the fire. We don't care about the tech. The membership, nor the government. But your stunt of "well we removed the counter-offer" is a naked way of covering for reneging on what would have brought you immediate peace, and you only did it for publicity reasons. And for that, your alliance will continue to burn. We've got time.

[quote name='rtellez06' timestamp='1297467807' post='2629764'] Then who posted the screenshot? [/quote] Dear rtellez06. Please reference: [quote name='Liz Girard' timestamp='1297457484' post='2629598'] Before this gets any further. I would like to point out that this member (in name) is innocent. This account was not made by him. He did not have an OWF account as he is a 3 day old reroll. When we find out who it was, God help you. [/quote] Thanks.

[quote name='chefjoe' timestamp='1297460395' post='2629651'] why are you mad your own members are calling out your bs? The lemmings starting to learn the truth of your bs? or maybe its because you are pissed they pulled a dishonorable and pathetic move? lol Look in the mirror CSN and you will see the same face staring back at you. [/quote] What on earth are you talking about? Our own members calling out our BS? Lemmings? That was a screen shot of a members-wide discussion thread. I think the "lemmings" already know, given said lemmings were discussing it in the thread that got SS'd, and all the people in that discussion were long-time members, almost all having held government positions in the past. Perhaps she's mad because our internal member-wide discussions were made not-internal. Just a thought worth considering...