Elegarth

Good luck with this new endeavor Francesca. In this modern times, dreams and projects can be born and death in no time. So, again, good luck. And nice dragon in the flag.

Congratulations to both of you! /me hugs UPN and INVICTA

Every single alliance we have fought had the same chance we had: reject the terms. They choose not to. Your point fails. And about my Emperor, he speaks for me and for Pacifica. And as per exctintion... You don't get it, right? If we want to stay around, we will. you can't really do nothing to avoid it. You can wage war on us forever, but that does not forces us to go. Have a nice day, ShinRa. Your non-sense bores me.

No ShinRa, and you know better... We don't want to write them. But we get to decide what we take or not. Simple thing. You asked for something, we didn't liked it, made a counter offer, you didn't like it. Does something THAT simple really overcomes your capacity to understand? We are here, waiting for negotiations to continue. As per admitting defeat, we already did. We just won't admit exctinction. Period.

Is not a matter of Ego, Famzy. Is a matter of who we are. What people doesn't seems to understand is that we are in no obligation to accept whatever terms they want. We have the option of keeping war on. But alas, we are ready to accept peace terms. Reasonable peace terms. Peace Terms that WE judge reasonable for us to pay, to ensure our continued existence. It is out choice.

And taking 2 weeks of nukes and then having to pay the mad reps requested is worse. Cuz they are quick to say "the amount can change according to blah blah blah" but we all know they won't change For reference, feel free to read the posts and studies made public by Cortath, links can be found in any post of his or in many other places where they have been repeatedly posted.

I am sorry if using Real numbers hurt your understanding of how the alliance works, S. You were there too long ago to know and understand. As Vlad says, a DOABLE set of terms is one where can actually MEET the requested terms and not fall into term violation, which is honestly what they all want. I am sorry if our decision of not falling into the wolf's jaw hurts your understanding of how a war works. And mate... Do you really think Cortath crunched those numbers himself? You seem to... Haven't you thought that perhaps we have listened to each others for weeks now? No, it seems no. Have a great day Seerow.

No, this is actually not truth. None of them has been refused, we have been willing to sit and crunch the numbers with whoever wants to crunch them with us, but obviously no one has. The main reasoning behind all the refuses is "I know my math, 2x2=4 and Gramlins says it can be done" but we still wait to see a post with all the data and details showing those claims. There have been some very worthy attempts, tho, which basically fall middle ground foe whatever reasons they do... [space Saved for the Avalanche of "NO U" answers and randomness of NPO Haters] Feel free to shoot

Hey LoD! How does it feel out there? Were you really so tired of us? You comfy in your new position? Don't you have a pending donation deal to complete with Farrin? Does not paying it classifies you as a an aid thief of sorts? Just questions bro. EDIT: According to MK gov, you are going to pay it and I trust them on that. Just to be clear.

Awwww... I wish I had the same popularity as Bilrow, so I could have this awesome shows of love. Giving an opinion is something completely valid. Disliking someone is completely valid. Using a wall-of-text like insult to try to hide your hate and resentment is just... hmmm... childish... But hey, who am I to judge you? Is just an opinion. You may feel no respect for the King of Cowards, but do try to use some diplomacy when insulting... Bilrow, can I join your Fan Club?

This mans speaks the truth from the bottom of his heart. You seem not capable to understand that we are we our heart wants us to be. We really ARE Pacificans. Is not just an affiliation for us still there, is a way of life. My brothers and sisters and in this world are there, and I wouldn't dream of leaving them unless I were leaving it all... Fear of retaliation? From an alliance whose numbers have been harshly damaged? Please...

I have never before realized that you guys couldn't understand such a single thing... I meant to mock and critizice all those who have seriously made claims of the type of "ewil NPO is using admin againzt uz no fair" and such. It was at no point intended for the particular conversation between you guys from the last couple of pages. But whatever Meh

Is really awesome how many people is really prepared to shout randomness, usually senseless randomness, just for the fun of it... All your cries and stuff on how we are hypocrite and stuff... Really, dudes, can you do some CONTEXT READING? Great read, Sir Paul, as always!

Because it has been proved once and again that independent thinking can only lead to such behavior. Mr, Starfox has just made a point on how independent thinking can NEVER lead you to Pacifica as it is, which makes me wonder how we were create do begin with... If I am - excuse me the cliche - and vicious evil nation rules with a strong desire for oppression and unfairness, can't my independent thinking lead me do a vicious evil alliance with desire for oppression and unfairness? Apparently not. Your argument fails....

That must be why we post it all in our main public forum, so that it remains a secret and no one reads it Paranoic assumptions ftl

No no no, you have it wrong! Bilrow is not one of those IMPERIAL LACKEYS that needs to tell us all how to think, Enderland. Really... You guys haven't considered that perhaps we like who and what we are? Have you?

Has KARMA proved otherwise when it contradicts itself daily, is incapable of meeting its own "moral" compass and can hold to an idea for once?

For what I can gather from your post, Penlugue Solaris, you have just affirmed that absolute facts are those that I choose to believe in? You have just say that it depends on who says it? So, by evolving your idea, a thing is a lie or a truth based solely in what you want to believe? Good gracious God! And I spent this many years under the impression that there were universal truths...

Well, the say I same: 700 people agreeing is as possible as 2 people agreeing, more in a community of thousands of members... But it is useless to say it cuz this is just part of the propaganda machine that I was utterly and undoubtedly forced to swallow this morning with my early coffee... We are who are, and you don't like it. You throw upon yourselves the right to say what is wrong or bad about us, while claiming that we did that and hence we are evil... This is contradictory and hypocritical (more brainwash pills \o/ ) It would be better if you guys just say: "We hate you for being better than us, we hate you for having succeed for so long, and now we will crush you down so we can have our time" But bleh... That was another pill. Have a nice day, Rey the Great.

Aye, my vote will be soon submitted, just need to wait for a call from Moo The worst of all this kind of threads is that you guys really fail at understanding the way Pacificans think and feel. You are so close-mindlessly sure that we are all brainwashed and mindless that it starts to smell as if the "brain-washed" and "nil-minded" ones are others. You fail to see that not only you change your speech everyday, but the propaganda machine behind you changes with it and you don't even notice or openly enter denial... It is funny... Karma is funny... It makes me enjoy this a lot. And I enjoy it so much, that I am going to be with Pacifica till the end

Be careful... Solid and Real facts might harm the biased and unsupported opinions on this thread. Now please read on... Surely 15 wars show how Sarai has "hid" on Peace Mode...

It cracks me up how our "bigger nations" have so low NS and INFRA levels for an alliance with over 900 members and 20M NS... You really need to go over it again, mate. Surely, our "small nations" made all the 14M NS we have lost. FTL...

None so far... To be honest, this thread has grown huge and half of it lacks content... And above all, I wonder hos many people with so many weeks, months or years caring for a nation doesn't knows how the aid / economic system works... *yawns*

Welcome aboard!