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[quote name='Methrage' date='20 March 2010 - 01:45 PM' timestamp='1269053107' post='2230857'] I'm also referring to right before the Karma War, you were allied to many of them through Q at least when that war started. [/quote] Funny, I thought it was 2010 now. But hey, if you need to bring up old history to make a weak point, then by all means let us ignore it's irrelevancy and dive straight in. Continuum had a cancellation period. We told them we wanted out, we voted on it in the alliance for 5 days, then initiated the 3 day cancellation period. Lo and behold, on the very last day of the period, TPF posts a "CB" against OV and they and NPO push for war immediately. You're right that us leaving tC and the start of the war occurring at the same time was not a coincidence, but you are looking in the wrong direction. We then only joined the Karma War because IRON declared on our MDP partner ROK, because it was our obligation to do so despite the fact we were recently allied to IRON. We acknowledged as such in our DoW. It also serves to prove the point that these so-called allies have no idea who we are, and expect us to willing act as a meatshield for their wars. We are mostly Harmless - we put diplomacy before war, peace above all else, and we do not start or support aggressively initiated global wars based on flimsy or nonexistent evidence. So I find it laughable that an ally would try to do something we are vehemently against and cry when we don't support it. And if those allies had any sense of decency, they would take responsibility for their own actions instead of complaining about the consequences.

Nor were we allies with any of those alliances.

[quote name='The Big Bad' date='20 March 2010 - 12:12 PM' timestamp='1269047535' post='2230781'] I don't think anyone has forgotten MHA and its way with treaties. I have a feeling that kind of Karma is gonna come back on them. In fact I would bet on it. [/quote] I'm positively shaking in my Chuck Taylors. MHA has never claimed to be faultless in the break down of prior treaties, but MHA has also never started a global war against the friends of our allies either. There does seem to be a history of MHA not supporting people who aggressively start global wars against our friends, as I hope any alliance would. You don't honestly wish to suggest that we carry on and pretend TOP didn't attack our friends and aided our enemy, do you? How ridiculous. And to imply this is somehow an underhanded decision is laughable, as anyone could see this was an inevitable decision and, in fact, well over due. I'm sure you think yourself witty for posting such an baseless accusation, along with an even more baseless threat, but you are not.

Very well said Jadoo, this decision wasn't easy but nonetheless a necessary one to make. Good luck to both alliances, and good luck to you funny little posters trying so hard to be noticed.

[quote name='Jack Diorno' date='16 March 2010 - 07:07 AM' timestamp='1268683986' post='2226482'] Invicta bullies the governments of other alliances, they force many alliances to stop pursuing treaties with their friends in C&G and becoming connected with the world. Leaving them as outcasts that will always end up on the wrong side of the MDP web when a conflict arises. If you disagree with me then you are pretty much just another 'Terry Howard' or 'RyanGDI'. [/quote] Don't forget to make vaguely threatening statements if anyone dares to question this.

If they call it the Raggy Dolls, I will explode with excitement.

Aww MHA, Umbrella, FOK, Sparta, Gre and NSO (?) need to make a bloc - look at us all just floating in the middle there without any pretty circles around us. We could be called the Pound Puppies, or the Raggy Dolls.

[quote name='Poobah' date='10 March 2010 - 07:47 AM' timestamp='1268167938' post='2219578'] We were never under MHA's boot, fyi. Our first allies would not have abandoned us, and the cluster$%&@ that MHA declaring on us when TOOL would not give up our protectorate would have been more than enough of a deterrent. Sure, we got to deal with them trying to sabotage us, but they never had as much control as they thought they did. [/quote] I certainly agree that Argent were never under our boot, but the rest is half-truths and victim-complex nonsense. The only time we were genuinely pissed off with Argent was after we suspected that we were being recruited from, and after certain members (hello) were trolling our IRC. I'm sure we did talk to TOOL, and probably were angry, but to think we'd actually declare on you, or were even close to declaring, is utter nonsense. There were some people (certain former MoDF's, for example) who certainly would have wanted to, but it was never a serious consideration. Trying to sabotage you? Thought we controlled you? [i]Come on.[/i] We couldn't care less about you, especially after the beginning of 2009 when we had much bigger problems to focus on, and after which repeatedly told TOP and Citadel that we had no problem with them being allied to you guys at all. Yes, they came to us first before getting close to Argent and not once did we object. Anyway, Argent have flourished on their own and frankly all of that nonsense should be left well in the past where it belongs.

If nothing else, those terms are horribly written. Honestly, who wrote them?

Those of us who attacked IRON shouldn't be requesting reparations, they certainly did not do enough damage by themselves to warrant reps. CnG, of course, deserve reparations but not those who came to defend them. The honorable thing to do, if indeed these alliances want their pound of tech, would be to set up a tech dealing agreement only. There. I said it.

[quote name='Lord Fingolfin' date='23 February 2010 - 03:08 PM' timestamp='1266898101' post='2198464'] I vaguely remember you, made some thread about surrendering in the Legion Discussions forum. Poor show. If you re-roll then re-roll with the intention of forging a new positive identity for yourself [/quote] Agreed with this point. If this was the case, then there'd be no reason to decline you. [quote name='Lord Zymeth' date='23 February 2010 - 03:33 PM' timestamp='1266899638' post='2198499'] Sample posting of what I'm sorta talking about... http://mostlyharmlessalliance.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=9589 [/quote] Or perhaps Nut asked if you'd just left the Legion because you listed it last on your previous AA's? Although, a new nation with so many prior AA's would, of course, suggest a re-roll, we only knew that from the information [i]you[/i] gave to [i]us[/i]. It is also MHA rules not to induct a nation who is still considered a member of another alliance, so it was necessary to clarify what your status was with your prior alliance, hence the question. [quote name='Sigrun Vapneir' date='23 February 2010 - 04:05 PM' timestamp='1266901537' post='2198561'] You "left" without informing them, keeping your member mask and reading their private forums. [/quote] This would also lead to automatic denial of application.

Oh come on Jack. We forced Atlantis off Aqua, once had a [i]treaty with NPO[/i] (*insert screaming woman*), did something to make Rebel Virginia want to destroy us (you'll have to ask him what, though), and I'm pretty sure there's a certain stalker around here who would put us at #1 because she loves us so much. I agree with the comments about subjectivity - you've been far too lenient.

[quote name='MCRABT' date='19 February 2010 - 09:03 PM' timestamp='1266573801' post='2191821'] Oh my using TOP's aiding of alliances on their-side of the war after you bandwagoned onto their allies with no reason to speak of other than Gremlins right of sovereignty is a pretty poor justification of negating your treaties. Personally I think we have found our replacement for the old ODN. [/quote] I find you to be so damn tiresome. You have nothing of value to say, your insults aren't based on reality, and you couldn't string together a half-decent one-liner if your Grandmother's life depending on it. Honestly, why bother?

[quote name='Alterego' date='18 February 2010 - 07:56 PM' timestamp='1266483367' post='2189420'] I assumed you meant we as in we who fought IRON and not just MHA. However your alliances name is on the surrender terms which means you are complicit in the heavy reps that were demanded and paid out. [/quote] Which only serves to prove my point that we are not a Forgiveness Vending Machine ready to drop arms and hug whenever the other side feels like ending a war they started. I remind you, we have offered our attackers white peace and they declined. If they had not been so brazenly determined to keep attacking us, they would be at peace already. This was their choice. Also, IRON paid off their reps in a few months and before this war, were once again one of the top 5 alliances who brought a major amount of nations, NS, and nukes to an offensive attack. However, I should actually correct an earlier point that got us onto this tangent in the first place. I was speaking initially about MHA's [i]attackers[/i], not IRON. While I do not speak for our Gov, I don't think we'd be asking IRON for reps. I personally don't think they've learnt any kind of lesson, hence why we're here again, but I was not intending to include IRON as an alliance we'd (potentially) refuse to give white peace to. So this line of discussion isn't necessary.

[quote name='Alterego' date='18 February 2010 - 07:46 PM' timestamp='1266482763' post='2189406'] Good to know what you think being let off easy means. They didnt start the last war but were crushed and hit with massive reps. Going to kill them off once and for all? [/quote] Better go check how much reps MHA took. And while I'd hate to spoil the surprise, you'll find it was none.

[quote name='Stetson' date='18 February 2010 - 07:44 PM' timestamp='1266482670' post='2189405'] Thank you for clearly delineating the sides. This post was made to ensure that everyone knows that the alliances on this "side" will not be resorting to tactics you've so elegantly modeled for us. The fact is that half of the alliances on the fringe of your side could peace out right now and you'd still hold a numeric and military advantage, so for those alliances who are being hard pressed to keep up with this war, we can only say that you'll not be leaving your comrades to burn either on the battle field (since they'll still have the advantage) or at the negotiating table (as the offer made really can't get any more lenient). [/quote] None of which has anything to do with what I said, because I was clearly talking about MHA's offer to our combatants, and not speaking for this "side" at all. But I suppose when you feel like making an irrelevant point for the sake of saying something, it doesn't really matter who you've quoted - as long as they're wearing the right AA.

[quote name='bigwoody' date='18 February 2010 - 07:35 PM' timestamp='1266482116' post='2189392'] Ahh, the classic "escalating reps" tactic. So we're back to that era. [/quote] We let IRON off easy last time, look where it got us. We even offered it again to our combatants, and they have declined; clearly with the thought that they would be able to escape all responsibility for their actions with white peace later on. But unfortunately we're not a Forgiveness Vending Machine, ready to dispense a cessation of hostilities whenever they feel like it. We offered, they declined. They can deal with the consequences.

MHA's attackers were given the opportunity to white peace and only TUF and GGA took the offer. The rest of you declined, the offer is no longer available. So while I'm not Gov, I'm fairly certain that you've already blown your chance to get out of this scot-free.

[quote name='Thorgrum' date='16 February 2010 - 08:42 AM' timestamp='1266270148' post='2183489'] That you find it entertaining that people continue to give you attention even though when doing so they tell you to get a life etc? I know, I get it. Its amusing. It will be a sad day when they actually catch on and get that the only way you will ever go away is when they ignore you completely, of course most of them are way to smart for that. Its always a pleasure thought emily I hope you never go away dear. [/quote] Believe me when I say it's been tried. She seems obsessed (surprise, I know), with this notion of "peacing out", she cannot accept that [i]this[/i] is how it's going to be from now on. After all she has done to us, there will be no reconciliation. She will continue to be banned from our channel and forums, and recognized as a traitor and a joke. Those few she talks to now will get sick of her just the same as the rest of us, there's only a few bridges she has left to burn and she will burn them. She may be able to get a rise out of a few people - you're right, they should know better by now - but MHA as a whole is more than happy to keep on ignoring her. *shrug*

That's some pretty baseless posturing mate, considering you're posting a thread about an alliance surrendering to us. Thanks for the laugh, but I'm not going to waste time rebutting such an empty comment.

Still just as classy, though. Anyway, this is a positive announcement for MHA and GGA, peace is always preferable to idiotic war. Again, I wish GGA luck in rebuilding and hopefully we won't have to meet each other like this again.

[quote name='Stonewall Jaxon' date='15 February 2010 - 09:42 AM' timestamp='1266187341' post='2181406'] If you're trying to save "old friends," then contact them in private channels. I know I can't be the only on who is tired of seeing your dirty laundry with MHA on here. Seriously, nobody cares. [/quote] Couldn't agree more on this point, especially the quotations around old friends. But there's only so many times you can tell someone to get help before you give up caring. Anyway, you should give the new blokes in charge a chance, they're doing far better than I probably could in this war and we're winning as a result.

[quote name='Haflinger' date='15 February 2010 - 12:21 PM' timestamp='1266196912' post='2181748'] The POW term is an interesting one; does it mandate GGA to return all those who surrendered to full status? It appears to not apply to MHA in that way. If it does, I don't support it. Otherwise... eh, it's GGA. [/quote] It doesn't mandate anything. The PoW's are free to go, both alliances will individually decide whatever they want to do with them. I could care less, personally, what GGA does with their PoW's. Cheers for the fight GGA, good luck in rebuilding.

To be fair, if you only had sheep to talk to, I'm sure you'd tell them a few lies as well. It's not like the sheep are gonna call you on it.

"There really was Injustice! here! The flock has scattered! I cried out, "Injustice!" Why didn't you come?" The villagers aren't coming any more. [/point]