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Morality and the Wile E. Coyote Effect


Vladimir

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Over the past few weeks a number of alliances within the New Hegemony have become increasingly self-aware and confident, believing that they can act with impunity thanks to the power-base sitting under them. The result has been an undeniable and boisterous break with many of the alliances that raised them into that position to begin with, as they explicitly contradict and even mock the beliefs they used to propagate. Every political break coincides with an equally fierce intellectual break, and this case is no different, as the question of morality in global politics is once again propelled into the spotlight. On one side of this debate we have GOONS, \m/ and the Mushroom Kingdom, among others, (hereafter referred to as Unjust Path 2.0) arguing that morality has no place in the world, while on the other we have those arguing that our activities should be considered through a moral lens as well as one of immediate self-interest. It is through this intellectual debate that Unjust Path 2.0 has demonstrated its lack of political understanding.

The position of Unjust Path 2.0 is well summed up by GOONS member Alonois, who asserts that "People TALK of morality. They do not ACT upon it." One is tempted to suggest that this is at least superficially true -- after all, nobody has stepped up to end the Red Safari. However, one is only so tempted because moral activity is so ingrained in all of us that it is taken for granted. We can thus take a simple example: the question of war. There has never [or if there has, extraordinarily rarely] been a significant war without a casus belli, strong or weak, and this is precisely because it is known that if one doesn't have a casus belli there will be serious political consequences, ranging from a severe loss of political capital to a declaration of war in defence of the attacked alliance. Moreover, if a casus belli is to be accepted then it must be accepted as having a moral legitimacy by the significant alliances of the world, and this is the very basis of debates on what constitutes a strong and what constitutes a weak casus belli -- one cannot get away with a casus belli over the colour of an enemy's hair, for example, precisely because such a reason has no moral legitimacy. We can go beyond this and question the moral consequences of everything from OOC attacks, to spying, to perma-ZI lists, to honouring treaties, to diplomatic norms and beyond. It is this plethora of social norms and rules that makes up the moral fabric of our world, usually without us even realising it.

It must be understood, however, that all these moral norms and rules are social constructs -- they do not exist in the abstract, but rather because they are supported (actively or passively) in the international arena by enough power that violating them becomes politically unwise. Given this, the consequences for violating the world's moral fabric, if you cannot convince the world of your case, goes beyond whether or not there is an immediate military reaction and into the far deeper questions of political support -- for this too is nothing more than a social construct.

Alliances enter into treaties and blocs because they see these things as representing their interests, and their interests in turn are merely a representation of their view of the ideal world -- whether military dictatorship or free-thinking utopia -- and their view of the ideal world is in turn merely an extension of their internal culture and morality. Thus, a violation of widely held moral concerns may not bring about immediate military repercussions, but it will nevertheless undermine the idea that alliance interests are advanced through affiliation to the violators, and thus significantly weaken the political ties that act to prevent military repercussions.

In the long run it is this process that leads to the hollowing out of hegemonies and ultimately to great wars. Alliances begin to view their interests as being in contradiction to the standing hegemony, and consequently seek out new vehicles and movements -- a new serious of treaties and blocs -- to advance themselves through. It was ignorance of this fact that led to the rapid destruction of the first Unjust Path and in part to the downfall of the Continuum. While Unjust Path 2.0 may be on much more stable ground at the moment, if they choose to believe that morality has no place in the world, and that talk is cheap, then they will quickly find themselves headed for a Wile E Coyote moment, where the political support that they depend on no longer supports the weight of their actions.

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The tl;dr appears to be: even if you are an amoral alliance, you should consider the morals of others because it will affect your own political position. That's something that the Unjust Highway really failed to do and one big reason it got rolled, and one could argue that One Vision did the same thing which (evenutally) led to Karma.

It's entirely correct, unless you can rely entirely upon amoral alliances for your support, in which case we get a brutal hegemony that rules only in its own interest. So let's hope there aren't enough amoral alliances backing SG that they can do that.

(The NPO believed that to be the case in the Initiative and Continuum/One Vision, and those hegemonic structures were built around mutual self-interest not morality. Eventually that cost them the more moralist elements of the hegemony and then there was enough power to dethrone them. I think the important alliances in SG realise that they need the support of more moralist alliances to retain power.)

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The only problem I have with this article is that some of the accusations against the alliances you point out are very sweeping. They may be true, but that is never a safe way to right an article.

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A great read and as usual, Vlad points the matter out perfectly.

To be honest, I actually agree with Vlad. If you really don't think morality has any impact on politics then you are either oblivious or you don't really have a firm grasp of what morals actually represent and are probably working off of skewed definition. A specific moral code and morality as a general construct are not the same thing.

Another good point, I forgot who said the following quote but I think it comes close to what you are referring to, "Machiavelli did not discard morality, he only defined it in a political sense."

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To indicate that the leaders of CN adhere to a moral code for the sake of political survival (or gain) takes for granted that some entity is legitimately concerned about the ethical conduct of alliances. But if alliance leaders are thinking politically, then the only body left is the everyday member. Are some of you suggesting that the Machiavellian rulers and the moralistic members form an actual class system, and that the higher class of Machiavellians uses fake ethics (such as CBs to justify a clearly political war) to persuade the lower class into fighting for them?

Also, another interesting divide in moralists is the honorable moralists and the ethical moralists. Honorable moralists see cowardice as the lowest act in CN ad believe it to be an alliance's duty to honor their treaty obligations regardless of circumstance. Ethical moralists, on the other hand, look out for the "weak guy," and see maltreatment of weakened players and alliances to be a true violation of morality. How does this split possibly affect the divide between Machiavellians and moralists?

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Admin is not a deity, and the terms of service are not an ethical framework.

Within the context of the game, yes he is and they are at least a potential basis for ethics. The objective truth in CN is that which is written into the world and game universe. The subjective is the laws created by the players that govern only 1 AA or Bloc etc.

Thus multi's are inherently immoral in CN, they are cheating, abuse of the game. Tech raiding against one's own charter is immoral as they are breaking laws they themselves signed on to. But to raid in general is not necessarily immoral as it is within the game rules.

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Within the context of the game, yes he is and they are at least a potential basis for ethics. The objective truth in CN is that which is written into the world and game universe. The subjective is the laws created by the players that govern only 1 AA or Bloc etc.

Thus multi's are inherently immoral in CN, they are cheating, abuse of the game. Tech raiding against one's own charter is immoral as they are breaking laws they themselves signed on to. But to raid in general is not necessarily immoral as it is within the game rules.

A penal code is a means of enforcing social stability, rather than an objective form of morality.

The terms of Service are the former, not the latter, so your argument kind of falls flat.

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A penal code is a means of enforcing social stability, rather than an objective form of morality.

The terms of Service are the former, not the latter, so your argument kind of falls flat.

As I said, the limitations of the game, terms of service, the wonder clock, all of the limitations of the game, could be the basis for an ethical code. I am not saying the rules are morals, but rather they could be the basis for an in-game ethic.

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As I said, the limitations of the game, terms of service, the wonder clock, all of the limitations of the game, could be the basis for an ethical code. I am not saying the rules are morals, but rather they could be the basis for an in-game ethic.

Then you're doing no better than what you're criticizing Vladimir for, so at best your argument is a straw man.

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Then you're doing no better than what you're criticizing Vladimir for, so at best your argument is a straw man.

Please read what I said... if you mean Lewin then you are still wrong because I merely pointed out that there are objective bases in CN because of its nature as a game. These bases do not require real life examples, which was his claim.

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Please read what I said... if you mean Lewin then you are still wrong because I merely pointed out that there are objective bases in CN because of its nature as a game. These bases do not require real life examples, which was his claim.

You're applying morality, a subjective viewpoint (at best), to an utterly unsentimental construct (the ToA), and arguing that it defines morality within CN. Which simply isn't true.

Word of God is not a moral imperative, its an absolute directive.

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