Amyante Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 - "Could someone please tell us how bombing a nation could possibly be in the best interests of the citizens of said nation? We seem to have misplaced the explanation." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agostinho Neto Posted December 8, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 OOC: So if North is on East, where is the "East Pole?" In Vietnam? Also, nice name you gave at the picture: http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/9175/->moron.png<-. Maybe i'm a moron but ast least i know where the North Pole is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sargun II Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 - "Could someone please tell us how bombing a nation could possibly be in the best interests of the citizens of said nation? We seem to have misplaced the explanation." "If you take into account the fact that this was a precision bombing of a military target and the trajectory of the bomb is not consistent with Somali reports, we'd have to say that the explanation has to go to Italian hands. Ask them to explain why the bombing of two tanks somehow manages to destroy a civilian building." OOC: So if North is on East OOC: They have to land to the north-east of Mogadishu and then move west away from the coast. That's north. derp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agostinho Neto Posted December 8, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 (edited) "If you take into account the fact that this was a precision bombing of a military target and the trajectory of the bomb is not consistent with Somali reports, we'd have to say that the explanation has to go to Italian hands. Ask them to explain why the bombing of two tanks somehow manages to destroy a civilian building." Because tanks don't fly on cities, they move on roads where people walk. And you indiscriminately bombed a city full of civilians. You are barbarian uncivilized murderers. SOMALIA SURRENDERS, CIVILIANS DEATH TOLL RISES TO 350 A spokesperson of the Somali Government said Somalia unconditionally surrenders to the invaders due to the undiscriminated attacks against the civilian population. Security personnel is rising a white flag on the Palace of the Governor General of Somalia, Siad Barre, who is reported safe in the Boer Zone with the rest of the Government Cabinet. Italian television broadcated the following photos, taken few minutes after the airstrikes. Edited December 8, 2009 by Junio Borghese Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sargun II Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 The Carthaginian Armed Forces has issued an order that all civilians are to remain in their homes. Mogadishu and all other cities in Somalia are to be searched, swept, and secured by Carthaginian and UMS forces for any weapons, which will be confiscated if they are not registered. Martial law has been declared over the zone as soldiers quickly move to secure Mogadishu. All soldiers have been placed under arrest and are being deported to Carthage. More equipment is being flown in; specifically, thirty-two helicopters, sixty Humvees, fourteen light patrol craft, and seven engineering suites. ANNOUNCEMENT All Italian soldiers placed under arrest will not be interrogated. They will most likely not be charged with any crimes but will be detained for up to two weeks before being released back into the custody of Italy. An airport in Carthage is open to any Italian or Somali family members of the soldiers who wish to visit their loved ones. ANNOUNCEMENT Carthage has placed Italian Somalia under the protectorate status of the Aphrike Treaty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agostinho Neto Posted December 8, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 The Carthaginian Armed Forces has issued an order that all civilians are to remain in their homes. Mogadishu and all other cities in Somalia are to be searched, swept, and secured by Carthaginian and UMS forces for any weapons, which will be confiscated if they are not registered. Martial law has been declared over the zone as soldiers quickly move to secure Mogadishu. All soldiers have been placed under arrest and are being deported to Carthage.More equipment is being flown in; specifically, thirty-two helicopters, sixty Humvees, fourteen light patrol craft, and seven engineering suites. ANNOUNCEMENT All Italian soldiers placed under arrest will not be interrogated. They will most likely not be charged with any crimes but will be detained for up to two weeks before being released back into the custody of Italy. An airport in Carthage is open to any Italian or Somali family members of the soldiers who wish to visit their loved ones. ANNOUNCEMENT Carthage has placed Italian Somalia under the protectorate status of the Aphrike Treaty. Our Military Personnel retreated in the Boer Zone before your arrival with the civilian population. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sargun II Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 Our Military Personnel retreated in the Boer Zone before your arrival with the civilian population. //OOC: Can you explain what the Boer Zone is or link to a post that does explain it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpacingOutMan Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 OOC: Whoa dude. I didn't actually launch the bombings. It's my military protocol to reach fail-safe positions first. Also, with your tech level, your RADAR would be unable to detect FB-22s because they have stealth capabilities because they are built with a specialized alloy that is RADAR-immune. So even your RADAR-seeking missiles would be unable to detect them. Public Announcement Humanitarian services are being provided by UMS forces in the region alongside the Carthaginian forces. To preserve the region as Aphrike Protectorate, temporary military installed bases will constantly monitor the region by retaining the deployed marines and paratroopers (totaling 37,000) until a free election can be rendered by the domestic Somalian population. We will also not pursue any charges against Italian soldiers and government members and we endorse their deportation by Carthage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agostinho Neto Posted December 8, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 OOC: Whoa dude. I didn't actually launch the bombings. It's my military protocol to reach fail-safe positions first. Also, with your tech level, your RADAR would be unable to detect FB-22s because they have stealth capabilities because they are built with a specialized alloy that is RADAR-immune. So even your RADAR-seeking missiles would be unable to detect them. OOC: You didn't specify anything, no escort, no transpor aircraft type, nothing. I don't think this is relevant now, but the next time try to be more specific. You just said "Paratroopers coming from west", nothing else. Anyway, the "Boer Zone" is just the term used by the Italian military to describe the district of Mogadiscio (a small area which comprises the airport and part of the administrative district of the city) under administration of the Republic of Transvaal (we planned to build the "foreign airbase" wonder in that territory.. but someone had to destroy my roleplay, obviously). You can find the agreement in the "East Africa conference". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpacingOutMan Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 As per the unusual events that occurred in the killing of a multitude of Somalian citizens, we request that government cabinet members in Somalia Italiana and military officials be detained and asked, in inquiry alone, about the events that occurred. This is not an interrogation, but rather a determination of who caused the tragedy. They claim it was UMS fighters, but the fighters never reached their bombing designations and therefore could not have possibly bombed the region. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpacingOutMan Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 OOC: Anyway, the "Boer Zone" is just the term used by the Italian military to describe the district of Mogadiscio (a small area which comprises the airport and part of the administrative district of the city) under administration of the Republic of Transvaal (we planned to build the "foreign airbase" wonder in that territory.. but someone had to destroy my roleplay, obviously). You can find the agreement in the "East Africa conference". OOC: Thanks for the heads up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sargun II Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 Carthaginian Declaration Any and every person in the Boer Zone will remain in the Boer Zone unless cleared by Carthaginian authorities. Anything and everything going in and out of the Boer Zone must be cleared by Carthaginian authorities. Violation of the airspace around the Boer Zone will result in no warnings but an immediate confiscation. The terms will last as long as the government and military of Italian Somalia continues to take refuge in the Boer Zone. Consider it this way: while we surround you you may not bring anything in and out of our newly governed territory without permission. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agostinho Neto Posted December 8, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 (edited) As per the unusual events that occurred in the killing of a multitude of Somalian citizens, we request that government cabinet members in Somalia Italiana and military officials be detained and asked, in inquiry alone, about the events that occurred. This is not an interrogation, but rather a determination of who caused the tragedy. They claim it was UMS fighters, but the fighters never reached their bombing designations and therefore could not have possibly bombed the region. The ones who should be detained here are your Military officials who didn't consider the risk of hitting civilian buildings around military sensible targets such as the RAI Television center that also serves as communication center of the nation. The RAI Television center is right next of what's left of the clinic and the headquarter of the National Bank of Somalia where the treasury has been destroyed, with all the savings of Somali families. Not considering the risk of killing innocent civilian, you undiscriminately bombed the place. You think the Somali population will say thank you for destroying their savings in the bank and their children in the clinic? You have destroyed two months of work of the Somali people, and you still call this a war FOR the Somali people? The only reason we don't report you to an International Commission of War Crimes is because in this uncivilized world there isn't one. Edited December 8, 2009 by Junio Borghese Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agostinho Neto Posted December 8, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 Carthaginian DeclarationAny and every person in the Boer Zone will remain in the Boer Zone unless cleared by Carthaginian authorities. Anything and everything going in and out of the Boer Zone must be cleared by Carthaginian authorities. Violation of the airspace around the Boer Zone will result in no warnings but an immediate confiscation. The terms will last as long as the government and military of Italian Somalia continues to take refuge in the Boer Zone. Consider it this way: while we surround you you may not bring anything in and out of our newly governed territory without permission. There are civilians and injured in the area, if you will try to starve the population, we will show the world your cruelty with an unprecedente media coverage. If you want the world to see your true face, the one we already know, then go on and close off the area. You will have to shoot down civilian airplanes to enforce your blockade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Centurius Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 There are civilians and injured in the area, if you will try to starve the population, we will show the world your cruelty with an unprecedente media coverage. If you want the world to see your true face, the one we already know, then go on and close off the area. You will have to shoot down civilian airplanes to enforce your blockade. The Phoenix Empire hereby officially files a complaint against the Italians for subjecting Imperial children to images of massacres and other horrible acts. As such as of this moment all communications from Italy entering the Empire will be jammed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sargun II Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 There are civilians and injured in the area, if you will try to starve the population, we will show the world your cruelty with an unprecedente media coverage. If you want the world to see your true face, the one we already know, then go on and close off the area. You will have to shoot down civilian airplanes to enforce your blockade. If there are civilian and injured in the area, then they will be glad to know that medical supplies will be allowed through after a brief inspection to ensure that no illegal contraband is being smuggled through. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agostinho Neto Posted December 8, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 The Phoenix Empire hereby officially files a complaint against the Italians for subjecting Imperial children to images of massacres and other horrible acts. As such as of this moment all communications from Italy entering the Empire will be jammed. Sounds like an excuse to ignore the reality of facts: They brought war in a peaceful land. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Botha Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 Consider it this way: while we surround you you may not bring anything in and out of our newly governed territory without permission. You are planning to blockade territory under Transvaler control and interfere with the movements of our military? That would require a use of force on your part. While sealing the zone with ground troops is quite easy (assuming you have troops in the immediate vicinity to do so), and the airstrip can be shut down but either us or whomever else control the other half of the runway (it is currently shut down by us), we are evacuating all refugees from Italian Somalia via our landing ships. To advert an unecessary (in-game war) you might want to contact the Transvaal foreign office to discuss the tense situation in Mogadishu. OOC: since the knowledge of the Boer Zone's existance is new to some of you, it is thus safe to assume that *some* Italians escaped through there before any sort of land perimeter could be established. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sargun II Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 You are planning to blockade territory under Transvaler control and interfere with the movements of our military? That would require a use of force on your part. While sealing the zone with ground troops is quite easy (assuming you have troops in the immediate vicinity to do so), and the airstrip can be shut down but either us or whomever else control the other half of the runway (it is currently shut down by us), we are evacuating all refugees from Italian Somalia via our landing ships. To advert an unecessary (in-game war) you might want to contact the Transvaal foreign office to discuss the tense situation in Mogadishu. Transvaal officials need simply to send a log of every item going in and out of the airport belonging to Transvaal. As the logs should already exist internally within Transvaal they would merely need to be duplicated and sent out. The primary reason for the edict was the prevent weapons and other contraband that could potentially harm security forces from being flown into the hands of Italian soldiers. If you are sending no weapons or technology of war there will be no problem. In addition, all refugees from Italian Somalia should write their names down on a list of evacuating citizens. With a list of evacuees we can publicly broadcast it to any refugees inside of the Boer Zone to ensure family members and loved ones that they are safe and evacuating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manetheren Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 Transvaal officials need simply to send a log of every item going in and out of the airport belonging to Transvaal. As the logs should already exist internally within Transvaal they would merely need to be duplicated and sent out. The primary reason for the edict was the prevent weapons and other contraband that could potentially harm security forces from being flown into the hands of Italian soldiers. If you are sending no weapons or technology of war there will be no problem.In addition, all refugees from Italian Somalia should write their names down on a list of evacuating citizens. With a list of evacuees we can publicly broadcast it to any refugees inside of the Boer Zone to ensure family members and loved ones that they are safe and evacuating. There is a civilian Tahoan airliner that was stranded in the Mogadishu Airport at the start of hostilities that will be leaving soon with evacuees for Transvaal. The pilots request a frequency where they can contact Carthaginian authorities with their flight data to prevent being intercepted. Before departing a manifest will detail all cargo aboard the aircraft will be sent via telegram to Carthaginian authorities. The airliner was empty except for the Tahoan flight crew and their luggage as it was returning to Transvaal from Glasgow, Scotland with a layover in Mogadishu when it arrived. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sargun II Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 There is a civilian Tahoan airliner that was stranded in the Mogadishu Airport at the start of hostilities that will be leaving soon with evacuees for Transvaal. The pilots request a frequency where they can contact Carthaginian authorities with their flight data to prevent being intercepted. Before departing a manifest will detail all cargo aboard the aircraft will be sent via telegram to Carthaginian authorities. The airliner was empty except for the Tahoan flight crew and their luggage as it was returning to Transvaal from Glasgow, Scotland with a layover in Mogadishu when it arrived. 129.300 is the frequency that should be used to contact Carthaginian authorities. An operator will be standing by in Carthage to receive the manifest by telegram. The aircraft will be free to go as soon as it makes contact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agostinho Neto Posted December 8, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 In November 2009. A somali professor sent a letter to Junio Borghese.. today, this letter is published for the first time. He said that he had no idea what the rest of the world knew about how life was in Somalia, but he was sure that "They don't know the significance of the words 'living in the old way'. . . . To understand what 'living in the old way' means, they would need to be here, in Somalia, and to hear people saying, from time to time, 'Shall we ever live again in the old way?'. . . They will surely begin to think that it is something to do with the War of East Africa, the Franzharia Free State, the Nord revolution or the Republic of Free Somal, and so on. But in actual fact it means something very simple. It means for example: When shall we be able to see a doctor again, or shaving soap, or a piece of bread? But, no, it is no use. I feel sure they will not understand me. . . . We know what such words as 'anarchy' and 'violence' mean; we know what 'poverty' means, and 'a lawlessness,' and 'famine,' and 'bread,' and 'soap,' and many, many more of the kind. They have no sort of idea of them. But the Italian people know what war is, they know what living in the dirt means.. they know the sound of a starving child. You treat us like your own breed, If the world calls you imperialist oppressors, we call you brothers. Thank you, General." When this anonymous writer wrote those words, the Italian Colony was only in its infancy in Africa. Some of these incomprehensible things are explained in the new book Somalia's Tomb: The Last Days of the Italian Empire. As Italian Somalia began to disintegrate during the last days of the Siad Barre era, more and more details about the Italian experience came to light. Giuseppe Boccacci, an Italian historian, gained access to many of the closed state archives, and ended up writing an essay on Italian Somalia: "I would come home from working in Borghese's archives, and I would be deeply shaken. I remember coming home after reading through the day of November 28, 2009. Borghese signed one thousand requests of food and medicines that day, altogether about five thousand people. This is not what shook me. But it turned out that, having signed these documents, he went to the kitchen of the Quiruinale Palace, and ordered his men to send half of the food storage in the kitchen to Somalia. I simply could not understand why, after deciding the fate of several thousand lives, he didn't use this to his own personal political advantage. But I was beginning to realize that morality plays a role, even for dictators." "Recently I read an OVRA document from Octor that said that the Italian Army, according to the 'regional plan,' worked alongside with Somali workers to build roads and infrastructures. The local Praefector, however, writes that there are still more villages who remain 'isolated from basic services.' He is saying that the plan was fulfilled but the plan was not enough! And so he asked that funds destinated to the infrastructure of somalia should be doubles. Borghese writes back: 'No, they will be tripled!'. Giuseppe Boccacci was one of the RAI Television correspondents in Mogadiscio during practically the entire Italian period. His new book is a detailed and moving account of the people and events during the the Italian administration. He came to know all the players — Fascist officials, somali politicians, ordinary people — and traveled from one end of the country to the other. It is still an open question as to whether, after living through this ordeal, the Italian people will ever live a normal life in a normal society. They are still asking the question, will we ever live again in the old way-a way in which wealth, prosperity, civilization and culture are once more the taken-for-granted elements of the environment of social life? Now that Somalia has been illegally occupied by foreign invaders their hopes are fading. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpacingOutMan Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 (edited) The ones who should be detained here are your Military officials who didn't consider the risk of hitting civilian buildings around military sensible targets such as the RAI Television center that also serves as communication center of the nation. The RAI Television center is right next of what's left of the clinic and the headquarter of the National Bank of Somalia where the treasury has been destroyed, with all the savings of Somali families. Not considering the risk of killing innocent civilian, you undiscriminately bombed the place. You think the Somali population will say thank you for destroying their savings in the bank and their children in the clinic? You have destroyed two months of work of the Somali people, and you still call this a war FOR the Somali people? The only reason we don't report you to an International Commission of War Crimes is because in this uncivilized world there isn't one. Other than the fact that 1) You are heavily ignorant of low-ordinance penetrating bombs which are utilized for extreme-precision strikes and are externally controlled via satellite and via fail-safe mode by manual operators in High Command and 2) We didn't launch the attack that destroyed the clinic. Sorry, but our fighters were more than 100 km away from the sight, and the maximum potency yield for ultimate precision, and therefore near 8.63% chance of missing, is less than 50 km away. It would have been fruitless of us to even launch the bombing, however, because not even several minutes had passed until Carthage made a straight-way into the city. Why would we bomb our own allies? Answer: we wouldn't. Not only that, you have no evidence to bomb the area and we can prove, via satellite altimetery, location models, satellite frequencies, radio frequencies, and RADAR positioning, that the bombers didn't launch any attack. Sorry, it wasn't us, which is why we are trying to investigate the matter. Edited December 8, 2009 by SpacingOutMan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manetheren Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 OOC: I must say that this is an IC dispute, but something to consider is tha there is NO bomb that is 100% accurate. It simply isn't possible. Mistakes happen, whether they are with people or with material, thatis a fact of warfare. Things malfunction all the time. Just something to consider. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpacingOutMan Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 (edited) OOC: I must say that this is an IC dispute, but something to consider is tha there is NO bomb that is 100% accurate. It simply isn't possible. Mistakes happen, whether they are with people or with material, thatis a fact of warfare. Things malfunction all the time. Just something to consider. OOC: I know. It's IC rhetoric. People lie all the time. I'll adjust it, though, to reflect that though. Edited December 8, 2009 by SpacingOutMan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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