Ursarkar E Creed Posted October 29, 2009 Report Share Posted October 29, 2009 (edited) I had hopes for Cortath too, hopefully he can come here and clarify in some way to make that seem not so ego-ish. I think there's something there about her private channel #franwub and him having to have access to it. Not sure if she released that part. Also, we need to hear from Baldr as he also got the same ultimatum that Francesca got. I did get it too, but my reasons were fairly obvious. Edited October 29, 2009 by Ursarkar E Creed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorConcept Posted October 29, 2009 Report Share Posted October 29, 2009 This is pretty routine for NPO. You chronically misbehave, you get talked to and asked to shape up. Where's the news here? Routine for NPO is making sure their members can't be in social channels at all past the IC realm? Welp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrotskysRevenge Posted October 29, 2009 Report Share Posted October 29, 2009 You were admitted because we give people chances. When you were admitted you were told by your friends as well as myself to keep your head down and do what you were told. You could not do that; you had to argue about everything. I have no intention of listing the litany of your offenses; you would simply argue about them. It became clear that you have to do everything your way and you could not accept anything else. Whether you are an attention or a drama whore I will leave to others to decide, but it was clear that you had to be the center of attention. You were given several opportunities, more than most I might add; in the end, you were not a good fit for Pacifica and you were given the opportunity to go your own way with no hard feelings. Too bad you didn't do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locke Posted October 29, 2009 Report Share Posted October 29, 2009 I think there's something there about her private channel #franwub and him having to have access to it.Not sure if she released that part. She did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursarkar E Creed Posted October 29, 2009 Report Share Posted October 29, 2009 She did. Well there ya go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Error Operator Posted October 29, 2009 Report Share Posted October 29, 2009 Routine for NPO is making sure their members can't be in social channels at all past the IC realm? Welp. IRC is all IC. Very rarely can people separate it from OOC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asriel Belacqua Posted October 29, 2009 Report Share Posted October 29, 2009 This is pretty routine for NPO. You chronically misbehave, you get talked to and asked to shape up. Where's the news here? I'd hardly say she "chronically misbehaved" I wouldn't kick someone out of my alliance for the things she did alone. If I had reason to believe she did other things, I wouldn't beat around the bush either and say that's why I'm punishing/inflicting harsher rules upon the person. However, even then I doubt I'd do that until I had reasonable evidence to prove that something was going on other than the misdemeanor acts that were demonstrated here in these logs. I think there's something there about her private channel #franwub and him having to have access to it.Not sure if she released that part. I believe that part is in there somewhere, just doesn't specifically name the channel. Just says private channels and that Cortath must be able to be inside them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moridin Posted October 29, 2009 Report Share Posted October 29, 2009 These logs were hilarious the first time I read them. Frankly I'm surprised NPO even admitted you in the first place. OOC: The whole DDOS part is really just sad Francesca. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asriel Belacqua Posted October 29, 2009 Report Share Posted October 29, 2009 IRC is all IC. Very rarely can people separate it from OOC. OOC: I don't know about you, but I go into several OOC channels on IRC, and I don't have a problem separating them at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorConcept Posted October 29, 2009 Report Share Posted October 29, 2009 IRC is all IC. Very rarely can people separate it from OOC. You must be chatting with the wrong people then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadshot Posted October 29, 2009 Report Share Posted October 29, 2009 I looked through the logs a couple times and have yet to find anything wrong with what Pacifica did. It is their right to remove problematic members, and I have removed members before with less reasons given. They do not really need to give reaosn at all, like it or not. I also don't see any problem with how Cortath approached the situation. The Emperor of one of the biggest alliances on Bob, has to command authority, whether any one else likes it or not. Too often leaders are wishy washy in their ways and personally, it is nice to see one that takes charge whether people agree with the style or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manwe Posted October 29, 2009 Report Share Posted October 29, 2009 Moving to Open World RP due to the OOC nature of the OP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colonel Radec Posted October 29, 2009 Report Share Posted October 29, 2009 These logs were hilarious the first time I read them. Frankly I'm surprised NPO even admitted you in the first place.OOC: The whole DDOS part is really just sad Francesca. The Second Chance Brigade made sure she was. Lots of buttkissing and bootlicking got her in. Lots of stupidity and such got her out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorConcept Posted October 29, 2009 Report Share Posted October 29, 2009 I looked through the logs a couple times and have yet to find anything wrong with what Pacifica did. It is their right to remove problematic members, and I have removed members before with less reasons given. They do not really need to give reaosn at all, like it or not. I also don't see any problem with how Cortath approached the situation. The Emperor of one of the biggest alliances on Bob, has to command authority, whether any one else likes it or not. Too often leaders are wishy washy in their ways and personally, it is nice to see one that takes charge whether people agree with the style or not. You agree with limiting her access to private social channels to hang out with friends without someone watching over her back? (you guys have me arguing for fran I hate you all, you too fran) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vhalen Posted October 29, 2009 Report Share Posted October 29, 2009 I have a real hard time caring about this thread one way or another, but: IRC is all IC. Very rarely can people separate it from OOC. I disagree with this completely. I consider IRC completely OOC, unless specifically stated otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asriel Belacqua Posted October 29, 2009 Report Share Posted October 29, 2009 You agree with limiting her access to private social channels to hang out with friends without someone watching over her back?(you guys have me arguing for fran I hate you all, you too fran) I'm on the same side as WC? Oh jeez. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiasmaCircle Posted October 29, 2009 Report Share Posted October 29, 2009 (you guys have me arguing for fran I hate you all, you too fran) She's fully capable of arguing for herself, as has been proven over and over, if it disgusts you that much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadshot Posted October 29, 2009 Report Share Posted October 29, 2009 You agree with limiting her access to private social channels to hang out with friends without someone watching over her back?(you guys have me arguing for fran I hate you all, you too fran) You're right, limiting that sucked, my apologies. If she was planning to reroll into Pacifica, there were many other avenues she could have used to discuss her plans with other than her private channel, so I would consider that to be a bit overkill. Thank you for pointing that out WarriorConcept, +1 for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorConcept Posted October 29, 2009 Report Share Posted October 29, 2009 She's fully capable of arguing for herself, as has been proven over and over, if it disgusts you that much. She's actually pretty terrible at arguing for herself tbh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiasmaCircle Posted October 29, 2009 Report Share Posted October 29, 2009 She's actually pretty terrible at arguing for herself tbh Yeah, well there is that. My bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homura Posted October 29, 2009 Report Share Posted October 29, 2009 I'd hardly say she "chronically misbehaved" I wouldn't kick someone out of my alliance for the things she did alone. If I had reason to believe she did other things, I wouldn't beat around the bush either and say that's why I'm punishing/inflicting harsher rules upon the person. However, even then I doubt I'd do that until I had reasonable evidence to prove that something was going on other than the misdemeanor acts that were demonstrated here in these logs. The stuff she's actually admitted to doing in these logs alone is hardly the behaviour of an upstanding alliance member. If you'd do something different, good for you, but you're also not running the New Pacific Order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asriel Belacqua Posted October 29, 2009 Report Share Posted October 29, 2009 The stuff she's actually admitted to doing in these logs alone is hardly the behaviour of an upstanding alliance member. If you'd do something different, good for you, but you're also not running the New Pacific Order. Be fair here, I never said "Upstanding alliance member" I simply said I wouldn't kick them out or force them to resign. Going to private channels? Spamming it up with a few friends? Having a few jokes about a few things? Harmless. I've seen far worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogaden Posted October 29, 2009 Report Share Posted October 29, 2009 The only part of this I didn't predict was that Fran would stay in the NPO so long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Strider Posted October 29, 2009 Report Share Posted October 29, 2009 You cry about stuff to much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaiser Posted October 29, 2009 Report Share Posted October 29, 2009 Wow, being in NPO sure does sound fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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