Triyun Posted January 22, 2014 Report Share Posted January 22, 2014 (edited) Modifier: 1) Fighter Generation multipliers and substitution modifiers can only be in effect for existing IRL designs. In other words you can't design a custom 4th generation fighter thats almost a 5 gen for a aircraft. Nor can you create a custom 'destroyer' (I use destroyer in the Japanese sense of the word) for substituting a division. 2) A player may substitute and single aircraft slot for two of a generation behind their current tech level. A helpful guide to fighter aircraft generations may be found here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jet_fighter_generations (please note the date of operation which means the combat systems are ready rather than the date first flown). If you have a specific question contact me (we can give a few people as unofficial advisers who know this). Strategic bombers shall not be included in this modifier. E.G. I having max tech can take 2 Squadrons of Super Hornets for 1 squadron of 5 Gen fighters. Sarah with a small nation can take two squadrons of F-4 Phantoms for giving up 1 Squadron of F-15s. As far as upgrading these, there is only a finite you can upgrade proportional to IRL with foreign assistance. So while sensors can be upgraded you can't make full stealth hornets or put turbofan engines on the F-4, two of the key advantages of the gen up. 3) A player may exchange soldiers for aircraft for ships with the following conversions. 10, 000 Troops = 500 tanks = 10, 000 tonnes of shipping = 5 Squadrons of Fighter Aircraft (strategic bombers aren't included due to their much greater capabilities) 4) Only IRL designs may be included in substitution (to prevent super ships weighing 1000 tonnes) 5) Players are choosing to customize are required to keep a documentation link preferably in a factbook easily accessible (signature recommended) As a note MGL sanctioned this poll Onto the meat of the substance. As discussed this modifier would allow conversions and greater player customization as well as provide more fairness for geographically limited nations. For example a totally land locked nation could now choose to take out their navy and get things they can actually use. By contrast a small island nation would have the ability to instead of maintaining say a million man army. Go with a 300, 000 man one and a large navy. Please let Shammy or I know if you have questions before voting. Edited January 22, 2014 by Triyun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MostGloriousLeader Posted January 22, 2014 Report Share Posted January 22, 2014 Officially GM sanctioned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evangeline Anovilis Posted January 22, 2014 Report Share Posted January 22, 2014 2) A player may substitute and single aircraft slot for two of a generation behind their current tech level. A helpful guide to fighter aircraft generations may be found here: Where? 4) Only IRL designs may be included in substitution (to prevent super ships weighing 1000 tonnes) While I understand the reasoning, not being able to get a decent battleship for half my tanks makes me sad. I guess I'll rather keep around spare tanks then... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Centurius Posted January 22, 2014 Report Share Posted January 22, 2014 (edited) Still opposed to the proposal in general despite the answer to the question, but neither the rule or the discussion specify if the conversion happens before or after multipliers. Especially if it is before multipliers converting could give you a pretty unbalanced trade-off. Edited January 22, 2014 by Centurius Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triyun Posted January 22, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 22, 2014 You don't get multipliers on say a 10, 000 ton destroyer you create. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yawoo Posted January 22, 2014 Report Share Posted January 22, 2014 Opposed, if someone has a question about something I RP then they can speak to me in private. I should not be forced to create an OOC factbook or alter my forum signature to appease IG related concerns, which can be handled through an OOC conversation via PM or IRC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PresidentDavid Posted January 22, 2014 Report Share Posted January 22, 2014 Opposed, if someone has a question about something I RP then they can speak to me in private. I should not be forced to create an OOC factbook or alter my forum signature to appease IG related concerns, which can be handled through an OOC conversation via PM or IRC. Agreed with this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triyun Posted January 22, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 22, 2014 Opposed, if someone has a question about something I RP then they can speak to me in private. I should not be forced to create an OOC factbook or alter my forum signature to appease IG related concerns, which can be handled through an OOC conversation via PM or IRC. If you choose not to use the equation you don't have to. The reason for documenting is to prevent cheating. So someone 1 week fighting a border war doesn't have huge army small navy a week later fighting abroad has a huge navy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yawoo Posted January 22, 2014 Report Share Posted January 22, 2014 If you choose not to use the equation you don't have to. The reason for documenting is to prevent cheating. So someone 1 week fighting a border war doesn't have huge army small navy a week later fighting abroad has a huge navy. This can be handled through RP measures, though. If you document you that you raised X amount of new soldiers in your news thread, then you would have to account for those come wartime. Let's force people to interact with other RPers first before we try to push for solutions that circumvent communication. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lynneth Posted January 22, 2014 Report Share Posted January 22, 2014 I'm gonna document, if I do use this, in the second post of my news/events thread, where I keep most, if not all necessary information that I deem 'good to know' about Tikal. :V Might put a link to the thread into my sig, iunno. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malatose Posted January 23, 2014 Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 I'm in support Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triyun Posted January 24, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2014 Motion passes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trajanax Posted January 24, 2014 Report Share Posted January 24, 2014 This sounds awesome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogar Posted January 24, 2014 Report Share Posted January 24, 2014 personally, i don't think anyone currently at war should be able to use this, as it'd give a potentially massive advantage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evangeline Anovilis Posted January 24, 2014 Report Share Posted January 24, 2014 personally, i don't think anyone currently at war should be able to use this, as it'd give a potentially massive advantage. Care to ellaborate? IG war? IC war? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogar Posted January 24, 2014 Report Share Posted January 24, 2014 Care to ellaborate? IG war? IC war? IC War, I feel the wars that have been started should not be using these modifiers, since it may give an advantage to those able to change their statistics and then actively engage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evangeline Anovilis Posted January 25, 2014 Report Share Posted January 25, 2014 Well, I'd guess that's true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evangeline Anovilis Posted February 2, 2014 Report Share Posted February 2, 2014 (edited) Edit: Nvm. Edited February 2, 2014 by Evangeline Anovilis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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