Kankou Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 I'll leave it up to your integrity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Centurius Posted February 22, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 [quote name='Centurius' timestamp='1329731166' post='2924480'] [img]http://i39.tinypic.com/35lrssl.png[/img] Two rolls against Australia, first to locate and identify naval facilities(harbors, drydocks, naval bases, etc.), second to locate and identify air facilities(airports, air bases, factories, etc.). Both using satint with the rp already done. [/quote] Two more rolls please, first to locate and identify naval facilities, second ground facilities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triyun Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 (edited) Kankou: 100 60 two failures Cent: 45 41 two successes Edited February 22, 2012 by Triyun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kankou Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 (edited) [quote name='Kankou' timestamp='1329796646' post='2924952'] [img]http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/1649/centuriusspy1.png[/img] Spy roll to locate all Athens Naval Forces in the Pacific. If fail, please roll again. If success, please roll for all Athens Naval Forces in the Indian. [/quote] Another set of rolls, but using UAVs. I also contend that the anti-satellite lasers of Athens would require a spy roll of its own, given the various restrictions from atmosphere conditions to tracking the satellites perfectly. Edited February 22, 2012 by Kankou Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triyun Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 (edited) I do not see evidence for that, there are examples of low tech opponents jamming a satellite. Plus he has many ground sat tracking systems for engaging LEO satellites which you'd run out of thrust adjusting their orbits on anyway if you kept switching it up. 16-39 one success one failure Edited February 22, 2012 by Triyun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kankou Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 (edited) Quoting "Future Military Capabilities and Strategy of the People's Republic of China", Report to Congress pursuant to Section 1226 of the FY98 National Defense Authorization Act) (Washington, DC: Department of Defense, November 1998): "China already may possess the capability to damage, [b]under specific conditions[/b], optical sensors on satellites that are very vulnerable to damage by lasers. However, given China's current interest in laser technology, it is reasonable to assume that Beijing would develop a weapon that could destroy satellites in the future." The part "under specific conditions" is of interest here. So far the only public example of a ground-based laser blinding a satellite was that of China doing such to a US satellite in 2006, and that as a single example where it was already known the PLA periodically played with its laser toys. If we go with "if jamming is possible, then it would have jammed" logic in RPing, we'll most likely set off a full scale satellite jamming race, which I would say is not of interest in the larger view of things. However, if you insist on non-roll jammings, it will also be entertaining on my part. Also, no matter how many tracking stations a country might have, being able to pinpoint numerous satellites and blinding all of them with lasers is a formidable task which allowing with a single roll would already be very lenient towards the shield. Basically, we'll be skewing the system towards the defense as much as we do for air-to-ground offense in CNRP. Edited February 22, 2012 by Kankou Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iKrolm Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 (edited) I don't plan to become involved in an Australia/Athens, but I agree with Kankou: blinding satellites with ship-mounted lasers seems like something that would require a spy roll. Edited February 22, 2012 by iKrolm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AironthFlamewing Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 Also I have a bit of a question-- say that Player X attempts to infiltrate Player Y's computer banks for "SooperDooperSEEKRITPlan Q" Say that Player Y has rp'd having a counter-espionage/counter hacking/Information Security department to their military- Shouldnt player Y have an opportunity to ask for rolls to foil Player X? Isnt that only fair? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evangeline Anovilis Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 Last time I asked Shammy, rolls cannot be used to counter rolls. Either you RP a setup that makes it impossible/not worth the effort to hack into, or you get a good amount of spies. Else one can just say your military counter-espionage sucks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Centurius Posted February 23, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 [quote name='graniteknight' timestamp='1329951236' post='2925797'] Also I have a bit of a question-- say that Player X attempts to infiltrate Player Y's computer banks for "SooperDooperSEEKRITPlan Q" Say that Player Y has rp'd having a counter-espionage/counter hacking/Information Security department to their military- Shouldnt player Y have an opportunity to ask for rolls to foil Player X? Isnt that only fair? [/quote] The roll already takes into account the chance of failure, that said rp will trump rolls always and if one can sufficiently prove his/her case things are possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheShammySocialist Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 (edited) [quote name='Evangeline Anovilis' timestamp='1329953675' post='2925837'] Last time I asked Shammy, rolls cannot be used to counter rolls. [/quote] Let me refine this statement that seems to be a little misconstrued, as you are speaking in context to a roll you requested or were thinking about making, counter-rolls would be situation-specific, and in some cases, it might be possible to [i]use[/i] spyrolls to counter spyrolls, but this varies on a case-to-case basis. You can't just use a counter roll to stop an agent from entering your country, because you have to know they are there first, ergo, the counter-roll could easily be argued as a complete metagame. Just saying. That being said, I am not above hearing arguments of using counter-rolls in response to spy rolls, but in general, counter spy rolls could mostly be claimed as a metagame, and therefore in many cases, will probably not be approved. Like almost all things the GMs have to deal with, its hard to enforce a coded, absolute system, many of our decisions are made on a case-by-case basis, with many cases being very unique. Its a flexible system, yes, and one where we are willing to hear people out over certain cases. That withstanding, my saying of all this is going to do little to the process of spy rolling, and speaking for only myself here, if I do get requests for counter spy rolls, they're going to be scrutinized through-and-through, as many of them will probably turn out to be metagames anyways. Edited February 23, 2012 by TheShammySocialist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evangeline Anovilis Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 [quote name='TheShammySocialist' timestamp='1329955649' post='2925880'] Let me refine this statement that seems to be a little misconstrued, as you are speaking in context to a roll you requested or were thinking about making, counter-rolls would be situation-specific, and in some cases, it might be possible to [i]use[/i] spyrolls to counter spyrolls, but this varies on a case-to-case basis. You can't just use a counter roll to stop an agent from entering your country, because you have to know they are there first, ergo, the counter-roll could easily be argued as a complete metagame. Just saying. That being said, I am not above hearing arguments of using counter-rolls in response to spy rolls, but in general, counter spy rolls could mostly be claimed as a metagame, and therefore in many cases, will probably not be approved. Like almost all things the GMs have to deal with, its hard to enforce a coded, absolute system, many of our decisions are made on a case-by-case basis, with many cases being very unique. Its a flexible system, yes, and one where we are willing to hear people out over certain cases. That withstanding, my saying of all this is going to do little to the process of spy rolling, and speaking for only myself here, if I do get requests for counter spy rolls, they're going to be scrutinized through-and-through, as many of them will probably turn out to be metagames anyways. [/quote] Well, I guess I could ask for infiltratring the enemies secret service and destroy it from within. It is a viable tactic, even without metagaming, though it's prone to fail, thanks to extensive security. But theoretically, I guess that would be a case where I could roll to counter my enemies rolls, as I'd get information on their rolls, should I succeed. Right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AironthFlamewing Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 Say for example- Cent spyrolls Sarah looking for documents on her computer banks-- Most countries can tell when they are being hacked no? Therefore, shouldnt she have the opportunity to oppose the rolls using a counter-espionage network of hackers in her government's employ(or some such construct) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Centurius Posted February 23, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 (edited) [quote name='graniteknight' timestamp='1329957794' post='2925905'] Say for example- Cent spyrolls Sarah looking for documents on her computer banks-- Most countries can tell when they are being hacked no? Therefore, shouldnt she have the opportunity to oppose the rolls using a counter-espionage network of hackers in her government's employ(or some such construct) [/quote] No. The rule on spyrolls as it is says the roll is valid for every action. So my roll in this example would be breaking the first firewall for example. She wouldn't be able to counter this with a roll but only proper rp. The second roll would be for the next layer of security with the same procedure as before. Extensive security measures beyond the realm of what in real-life is common also need prior rp and can't be claimed after the fact. The motivation behind this is simple. You already have a counter-roll, each and every roll has a chance to fail between 10 and 90% depending on spy odds. Edited February 23, 2012 by Centurius Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evangeline Anovilis Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 [quote name='Centurius' timestamp='1329958982' post='2925921'] The motivation behind this is simple. You already have a counter-roll, each and every roll has a chance to fail between 10 and 90% depending on spy odds. [/quote] This. Though, theoretically, the chance that I successfully steal a chewing gum in an Athenian supermarket (0.1) is lower than me successfully breaking into a Texan Server with 21 firewalls (0.9^21 = 0.10941...). Only that I'd need 11 days to do that and both actions are pretty pointless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Enema Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 You'll be fine as long as you use 374 proxies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kankou Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 [u][b]Notice on use of saved stats[/b][/u] Post in question: http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=108988&view=findpost&p=2926042 Mara is supposed to have 297,464 troops based on her IG stats, yet RPs that she has 560,000 infantry. It seems like she's still using her pre-war stats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evangeline Anovilis Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 On TBM: lol, that was a good one. On Kankou: I hoped it was settled by now, as it came up on IRC some time ago, as far as I remember. It seems to persist though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Centurius Posted February 23, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 [quote name='Centurius' timestamp='1329731166' post='2924480'] [img]http://i39.tinypic.com/35lrssl.png[/img] Two rolls against Australia, first to locate and identify naval facilities(harbors, drydocks, naval bases, etc.), second to locate and identify air facilities(airports, air bases, factories, etc.). Both using satint with the rp already done. [/quote] Another two, missile and anti-missile facilities and radar networks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mara Lithaen Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 Need a spyroll to find JED's forces in Yukon. [img]http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/2627/spyroll.jpg[/img] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Centurius Posted February 24, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 [quote name='Mara Lithaen' timestamp='1330045425' post='2927128'] Need a spyroll to find JED's forces in Yukon. [img]http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/2627/spyroll.jpg[/img] [/quote] Following IRC clarification that there is a redundancy roll for if the first one fails: [02:05:07] <Mara> I just posted a spyroll in the court... could you have a look, please? [02:05:18] <Centurius> sure [02:06:33] <Centurius> I take it you want 2 rolls, for if the first one fails? [02:08:47] <Mara> Yes please. 1-30 win 31-100 lose 53 2 First one failed, success on second one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Centurius Posted February 24, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 A general notice, with right now all 3 GMs involved in the ongoing conflict in Canada one of the recent mod rules kick in. We'll choose a neutral fourth GM to deal with the war against Canada in the very near future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iKrolm Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 Requesting two spy rolls on Malatose to monitor incoming/outgoing communications. ([url="http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=109328&view=findpost&p=2927633"]Link[/url]) [IMG]http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb26/iKrolm/ScreenShot2012-02-24at115831AM.png[/IMG] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malatose Posted February 25, 2012 Report Share Posted February 25, 2012 (edited) [img]http://img542.imageshack.us/img542/2323/spyops.jpg[/img] Please roll the following: To track Grand Papua submarines throughout the Indian and Pacific. Location of Grand Papua ICBM silos. Edited February 25, 2012 by Malatose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kankou Posted February 25, 2012 Report Share Posted February 25, 2012 You should specify which ocean, Malatose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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