SirDog

EDIT: nvm

I dig the whole dog thing...Planet Bob needs more canines.

Hang tough Bob. I sincerely hope your sister recovers. Take care mate.

Good announcement, some familiar members I see and the forums look pretty sharp...good luck to you Anathema!

[quote name='Haflinger' timestamp='1293294161' post='2553608'] Well, it's just that one of your allies was a prominent recipient of said wartime volunteers on several occasions, including during the most recent global war. Specifically, the New Polar Order. Which leads me to believe that you bringing up this point is really a reflection of what you would like to see happen in this one particular war, rather than you espousing an honest viewpoint. [/quote] I just tried to get you on IRC re the above point. I hope you are not accusing me of being dishonest in my posts on this subject matter. I categorically state that I am expressing an honest viewpoint here and reject any inferrence you make regarding any agenda I allegedly have. That is a very lazy, shallow and distorted assessment. I will leave it at that and be on IRC if you want to discuss anything with me.

[quote name='Haflinger' timestamp='1293287986' post='2553578'] First, my name is Haflinger. The common short form of that is Haf, not Half.[/quote] Just a typo. My apologies if you were offended. [quote name='Haflinger' timestamp='1293287986' post='2553578'] So what if they do? Seriously. People do this in alliance wars all the time. People joined GPA during the Woodstock Massacre because they wanted to oppose the Continuum alliances, and then returned to their original alliances. The time to complain about this is long past. If you thought the practice of recruiting large nations in wartime to help fight was horrible, then you should have spoken up when MK used it against NPO in the War of the Coalition. [/quote] So if an act has historically been a non-issue it is now too late to discuss it and we are just to be become apathetic about it? Wrong. [quote name='Haflinger' timestamp='1293287986' post='2553578'] No, they're not. Endorsing the actions of those nations would mean [b]JOINING THE WAR.[/b] [/quote] So your view is if nations leave an alliance en-masse to fight a war for another alliance, and then are accepted back by that alliance immediately after that war...then that is NOT the government endorsing their actions? To an extent I disagree, however it is not black and white by any means. [quote name='Haflinger' timestamp='1293287986' post='2553578'] It is common for the normal membership requirements of an alliance to be waived in wartime, especially in an alliance that is the target of superior forces. [/quote] My initial thought was "how convenient" but I do understand your point there.

[quote name='Haflinger' timestamp='1293275126' post='2553535'] Never to return? lol. NEW isn't the GGA. Its members are free to leave when they want to. [/quote] I probably didn't articulate my point to well Half, I meant do those nations who left to NEW have any intention of returning to their alliance of origin. [quote name='Haflinger' timestamp='1293275126' post='2553535'] So an alliance government is to be held responsible for all the previous actions of its members in other alliances that they were a member of? Come ON. [/quote] I do not know if you understood what I meant on this Half but if a government has nations defecting to another alliance to fight (contrary to their own alliance position) and then they permit those nations to return, then they are, in effect, endorsing the actions of those nations. And on a side note - doesn't the NEW charter expressly require members to be fluent in Indonesian?

[quote name='abdur' timestamp='1293258635' post='2553371'] They are legitimate members. If you were to leave your alliance, joined Sparta, did something there, and then came back. Would your current alliance be responsible for your actions in Sparta? I think not. I think (I hope) that these nations will be paying reps as well. [/quote] Thanks for the reply, if those nations are accepted back to their respective alliances, then isn't that government endorsing their actions?

Yes citizenkane, and the same questions should be applied to those nations also.

Am I to understand that those nations who leave their alliance and fight for NEW, have actually applied and are NEW members, therefore never to return to their alliance of origin? And if not, if they are permitted to return to their respective allainces then I take it that their government endorses their actions, thus technically having assisted NEW in the war. And then their is the question of reps. If NEW incurs reps then will those nations be paying reps also or attempt to rejoin their alliances to avoid reps?

If the OP is deliberately making himself a target here, then he has succeeded.

Will those nations (listed below) that leave their respective alliances to fight for NEW be accepted back by their alliances? If they are accepted back by their respective alliances, then have those alliances effectively assisted NEW? There is some considerable firepower that is assisting NEW. (Nation name |Days with NEW | NS |Alliance) randomnation 0 Days 7,096.598 - Brotherhood of Steel Battlecruiser 1 Days 155,707.113 - Umbrella illuminati 1 Days 152,152.680 - Umbrella lakemba 1 Days 98,237.775 - Poison Clan Choader 1 Days 77,848.990 - WFF Spaarlaamp 1 Days 81,684.336 - IFOK Dominion of Jabez 1 Days 6,798.201 - Venomous Larvae Urusai 2 Days 133,997.836 - Poison Clan Dogs of War 2 Days 46,994.029 - Poison Clan ALFERIFIC 2 Days 147,873.523 - World Task Force Conorea 2 Days 173,667.672 - Poison Clan Pilsmania 2 Days 168,553.966 - FOK Steveonia 2 Days 168,553.692 - Poison Clan Longton 2 Days 71,103.269 - Poison Clan Espresso 2 Days 92,264.393 - Poison Clan pooksland 3 Days 50,504.385 - Poison Clan Caparo T1 3 Days 32,152.659 - Liberation Army RUSSIA1 3 Days 10,102.645 - iFok

Well handled Keve69. I like how you swiftly took proactive steps to remedy a bad situation.

Good luck on your next alliance Sartorius, if anyone will accept you.

[quote name='TypoNinja' timestamp='1292188831' post='2537585'] I think you've forgotten that you don't have a right to not be offended by something. Congratulations you've been exposed to a political view you disagree with, don't turn around and ask if its necessary or not because the entire point of an open society is that all views get heard, weather you agree with them or not. [/quote] Offended me? No...you got it wrong. Actually, the political view is not what I have any qualm with. It's having RL political views posted in sigs in a game that is OOC. Thats where my query about necessity for such material comes into play. Whats the point of having an MMO geo-political simulator that is meant to be fiction by introducing RL politics? Thats my point, and I am sorry I didn't make that clearer before as I understand where you were coming from. And by you telling me to [i][u]don't[/u] turn around and ask if its necessary or not[/i] and then state [i]the entire point of an open society is that [u]all views get heard[/u], weather you agree with them or not[/i], in the one sentence is a contradiction in terms. On one hand I am not to express a view, and on the other hand all views get heard in this open society of ours. Not being wise here, but just trying work out the logic. I have said it before though, forums do not always translate too well for some discussions.

Locke, I understand that about MvP, please do not misconstrue what I am saying. Forums are bad for such discussions. You correctly stated that there are no breach of rules. I am not disputing that. My question I posted was [i]is that kind of signature necessary in CN?[/i] Why detract from a DoE (IC) with (OOC/RL) political statements?

Yes, you are right Locke there is no rule in relation to subject matter for sigs. However, there is a general section in the forum rules on swastikas and that you can't mention the holocost. I guess I was applying the same standard when the sig carries links (You Tube or otherwise): [i]The existence of the State of Israel is illegal and immoral[/i] | [i]Israel: committing piracy and murder on the open seas | Stop the Israeli-Palestinian negotiations! Sign the statement against negotiations[/i] / S[i]ign the Arabic-language petition against negotiations | Rebellious Thoughts: The Myth of Israeli Justice[/i]. To me whether its stuff about the holocost or anti-israel that amounts to anti-semitism. Now you tell me, is that kind of signature necessary in CN? EDIT: Format fail.

I don't mind the alliance's DoE. The line is crossed with all the anti-Israel comments/propaganda linking to You Tube and other websites at the base of the OP's (Michael von Prussia) signature which is all RL stuff. That really has no foundation in CN which is OOC. I am surprised admin allows it. But interesting topic, I guess IC/OOC will always be grey as we all somehow bring in our own biases and opinions into this game.

[quote name='Lusitan' timestamp='1292113482' post='2536889'] [quote name='wickedj' timestamp='1292113343' post='2536879'] Saw the topic and though "UPN left purple?" now i see its another silly color unity bloc thats doomed to fail [/quote] I think the point is it not being a colour unity bloc. Congrats on this project, may it prove to be more successful than Blunity has [/quote] [quote name='The Pansy' timestamp='1292113664' post='2536894'] Its an economic treaty, not a bloc, no defence cluases, maybe read next time dear friend, if it was your former thought, don't you think you would have heard the rumours already? [/quote] It is a colour unity bloc, the OP announces it as an [i]economic bloc[/i], and membership criteria is [i]any alliance which deems itself as a Purple alliance may request to join the treaty.[/i] A bloc does not have to include defence clauses. A bloc can take many forms such as an economic or trade bloc, it is just a group of entities that have the same aim. As for being more successful than Blunity - the truth is that Blunity died a long long time ago. The only thing that has given Planet Bob the impression that it is remotely alive is the absence of a disbandment announcement. I too query the viability of economic blocs although I wholeheartedly wish success for PoP.

http://www.cybernations.net/nation_drill_display.asp?Nation_ID=386009 <---- Lord Voss - very reliable. Three slots free for 3/50/50 deals. If you are selling tech...pm him so he can send you three million.

Hi Blacky, nice to see you about again. This may help some in understanding Blacky's bio ---> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbArvIqZzkI

A twist of the knife into the heart of Planet Bob. I am certainly saddened by this. Good luck to all the Nemesis crew. Also no more puppies.

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