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[quote name='Ejayrazz' date='23 February 2010 - 06:48 PM' timestamp='1266950924' post='2199281'] The past is the past Doch, we all did things which were 'socially acceptable' in those days. [/quote] What? how does one define "socially acceptable"? EZ/PZI was never socially acceptable...people just turned a blind eye because the people doing it were bigger and connected enough that no one ever dared do or say something about it. That is self-preservation not social acceptance. Big difference. Those involved in this conflict will not makes decisions based on what is socially acceptable but what is acceptable for themselves and their friends. I would be all for white peace but the fact is that if an alliance decides to engage in aggressive wars they do not deserve white peace. TOP's DOW pretty much stated they attacked to bloody C&G.

[quote name='Hayzell' date='16 February 2010 - 03:23 AM' timestamp='1266290621' post='2184188'] I'll just point out that it is not in Archon's or CnG's interests to portray an objective description of events, lest they not be able to persuade more alliances to peace out so they may better destroy 'TIFDTT'. All his post really reads to me is the various talking points I've heard everywhere, compiled into one verbose speech in which he makes sure to depict us as Hegemoinc cronies picking on innocent do-gooders. This war does not have to be won to be ended, in my opinion. I think both sides have sustained enough damage that they would be willing to see things end if a reasonable solution were proposed; but pursuing this war until one side is destroyed will have near as bad consequences for the other side. [/quote] I say most excellent...

Who cares if they resigned just to come in? There is no rule or law that I know of that prohibits this sort of thing. What are you moaners going to do when in future people like Gramlins or the like opt for a more paperless friendship where support for an alliance can come completely from leftfield? Welcome to the fight...enjoy it.

Nice stats!

Lots of love STA... o/ STA

[quote name='Mussolandia' date='02 February 2010 - 08:44 PM' timestamp='1265143453' post='2153779'] To be honest, as far as I can tell, his reputation as a horrible, evil tyrant that will bleed people dry is not yet well deserved. Not to mention, it'll probably be more than one person making decisions about this front. [/quote] iirc GOD has always been prepared for an eventual NpO attack... I also heard white peace was on the table for NSO...I think that idea will now definately be shelved entirely. Alliances that enter in "support" usually get off with white peace. I don't see why GOD would have imposed terms and stuff on NSO. Just my opinion ofcourse.

[quote name='Voytek' date='02 February 2010 - 07:55 PM' timestamp='1265140510' post='2153702'] What makes you so sure diplomacy hasn't already been tried? [/quote] Keep trying? War in this situation should always and I mean always the last option. Now NpO's allies will now be burdened by having to go out to bat for you... Xiphosis is not going to have mercy...

[quote name='zoskia' date='02 February 2010 - 07:40 PM' timestamp='1265139603' post='2153677'] As for GOD, our obvious intention is to find a way to get white peace for an important ally of us, the NSO. [/quote] NpO didn't have to declare...I'm sure NpO could have used something called diplomacy. Infact if the intention was for white peace...I can't see that happening now. That ship sailed away...

[quote name='neneko' date='01 February 2010 - 01:19 PM' timestamp='1265030394' post='2150314'] edited: I know a lost cause when I see one. [/quote] Even Harmlins have given up...what chance did you ever have?

[quote name='Methrage' date='01 February 2010 - 08:24 AM' timestamp='1265012698' post='2150149'] So you guys already viewed TOP as an enemy before they declared. [/quote] Not really we just knew that TOP would one day try to take us out. Alot of people in MK actually liked TOP prior to this war...some may still like them. MK never actually went out of it's way to seek out TOP...you have to remember MK has been in this situation before with NPO. As always those that want to bring MK down always throw the first punch. All we did was wait patiently...the rest is history.

No way is this real...lol

[quote name='HellAngel' date='31 January 2010 - 12:21 PM' timestamp='1264940465' post='2147390'] It was directed at the hostile comments that have been directed at us for months now. [/quote] Ask MK government how TOP has treated MK not over months...but [i]years[/i]. TOP made an enemy of MK...

Hegemony mask... Yeah TOP certainly rushed things...

[quote name='HellAngel' date='31 January 2010 - 03:45 PM' timestamp='1264952715' post='2147622'] Yeah really, how dare we declare on CnG who were lined up for us anyway. [/quote] We will never know...and it will be written in history as such... [quote]History is written by the victors.[/quote]

Because sharing is caring... Don't tell me you subscribe to the "MK trolled us"...

Now now now...The pot calling the kettle black!

As much as I would like to believe this...I know I didn't hear any whispers prior to the DOW and you know something like that would have leaked...and when peace was declared many thought it was a joke tbh.

You have no idea... It was no secret that TOP and MK would eventually cross swords. It was a mutual feeling that's been building up for months if not years. TOP has always looked down at MK... Ultimately MK is willing to wait for enemies to slip up...and will not attack without a valid CB.

True...the point is Gremlins still exist thus change can still happen...ex-Gramlins talk as if the alliance is dead...it certainly isn't. I know from experience that walking away is not the way to deal with stuff... If people walk away with no regrets then fair enough...but this is not the case as there are plenty of people around still moaning which means the "care" is still there.

Not to intrude the history lesson here but surely if your unhappy with the direction of Gramlins you should be spearheading a change rather then being on the side lines lecturing and reminiscing? I don't know much about the Gramlin decline but what I do know is people didn't sit down and actually try to talk stuff through. Instead people walked away from the issues...or just plain walked without even trying. It's sad...

I'm loving it TOP... It took long enough... I didn't imagine it would go down like this though...I thought we'd have some foreplay prior to actually engaging... You guys just cut to the chase...

MK and others tried very hard to stop the war from even happening...and there was never any support for this war. If there was we would have had a poll on supporting NpO as such we haven't...because internally we do not agree with the war.

ADI still failing at declaring it would seem...

I am confused...nonetheless...welcome to the fight...

This war is not about raiding and you know it.