Kilkenny

[quote name='supercoolyellow' timestamp='1297525366' post='2630349'] BTW, for what is worth I will be making my way to TPF's forums some time soon, so if you are angry with us, you can definately voice your opinion then. [/quote] Looking forward to it...Beer is always on tap and DC has the Ribs slow cooking in the back.

[quote name='supercoolyellow' timestamp='1297396708' post='2628843'] Generally, asking MCXA members to drop it, only works if you drop it too. [/quote] Hmm, well, TBH I figured that since I was in TPF and the request was made of MCXA, that I was free to actually clarify my previous remarks since there seemed to be some misunderstanding. I was very detailed in my response so there would be no further misunderstandings.

Glad to have you aboard TOOL!!! Forward to the Light!!! o/TOOL o/TPF

[quote name='Rotavele' timestamp='1297358114' post='2628050'] Sorry poor me I just thought that Kilkenny was a TPF member. [/quote] Yes I am , and I was refering to UINE....the allies you came in to defend and left behind. I never said we asked for help, and I know for a fact we never did.

[quote name='Timeline' timestamp='1297298278' post='2627436'] didnt know this was post your dead [img]http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/9679/thedeady.jpg[/img] Still don't see the point. anyway on to the real question at hand We talked to UINE before we talked to ODN and Co about peace, but you was not to know that and then again it isn't as if you know much anyway, I do like how TPF who refuse to act on a MDoAP comes out and tries to belittle MCXA who went to war for their allies, now before you run off at the mouth about how TPF went to war for NPO, that was your reason for not entering the war when requested to do so by your MDoAP partner MCXA. Now lets look at it this way shall we, what if TPF had honoured the MDoAP, and eased the pressure off MCXA, what if Valhalla had honoured their treaty also. Sure we left the battle field and UINE stayed but that was their choice also when we left the battle field, UINE was been hit by Athens someone we was not at war with, in fact we was at war with two alliance that was at war with UINE that was ODN and INT, everyone else joined the war to hit MCXA or had hit alliances that had already peace out. Bottom line at least we entered the VE-NpO war and did what was right by our allies and not sit by and watch them burn, but trusted me I am not going to have any sleepless nights over seeing TPF burn as they watched us burn. just to point out, if UINE asked us to stay we would have, but once attack a treaty with MCXA means we will fight to ZI for you if it improves the chance of [size="7"]winning[/size], treaty with TPF means they sit and watch you burn as they bath NPO [/quote] Ok, and what was your point....you knew what was going on. You honored your treaty and then left your ally on the battlefield...WELL short of ZI by the way. You did that last time as well. Not sure who or when you went to ZI for anyone. And tbh...if the best you can say is "at least we entered" then that isn't much. Not real sure how in one sentence you say you would have fought for UINE if they had asked and then say you will fight to ZI if you are winning. Kinda different sides of the spectrum. If you are on the winning side you rarely reach ZI....if you reach ZI you rarely win....So I guess we know where MCXA stands. And don't worry...we won't lose any sleep [s]wondering when you will be leaving[/s] over you not fighting with us.

[quote name='Mark Ashton' timestamp='1297295445' post='2627385'] Actions have consequences. It's simple yet you don't seem to understand it. You make it sound like we fought for you - No, we didn't. We fought for SIRIUS and we went out after most of them surrendered. You are right, UINE is still out there and we approached them prior leaving. They were fine with it and encouraged us to. Oh and I forgot to mention we joined due to an ODP - we weren't even forced to especially taking into consideration that we have an awful history with the NpO. Now, TPF didn't join this war because of us, and you just recently signed a treaty with STA. That [i]isn't[/i] our problem. Whatever, have fun burning. [/quote] Oh I do understand it...actions have consequences. Actions: Ask for MCXA to support you in a war Consequences: Get left hanging by MCXA Oh I get it, I really do. And we are having a fine old time thank you very much...you see we actually enjoy fighting..in fact [img]http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff130/kilkennyl/Casualties.png[/img] A special thanks to MK specifically delendum for making this all possible. (Chickenzilla....I am very disappointed in you...I thought you were going to be my big helper with that!!) And I wonder how that conversation with UINE went?? I mean if they had said no...would you have stayed??? I doubt it.

[quote name='Timeline' timestamp='1296986140' post='2621923'] HAIL the mighty TPF where was your crappy alliance when MCXA was getting the hell kicked out of them, that's right just like Valhalla you was refusing to help us so before you start with that bullcrap of infra over friends ask your gov why they never supported MCXA, after all we hold a MDoAP with TPF and Valhalla and yet you both did nothing. what was it TPF said, oooooo we can't NPO do not want to enter yet you call us infra hugers that's lame. [/quote] Actually I didn't call you infra huggers...I was pointing out that you left an ally on the battlefield...AGAIN. Seems to be a habit with you. You knew the deal when you went in. But it seems that we are in, and will be for a while, all the while you sit on the sidelines...again. I acttually wasn't talking about TPF....I was talking about UINE...the allies you came into this war to support....Nice that you quote my post asking about them and you turn it into TPF. Instead on infra huggers it might be better to just call you WAE....but that might be granting you something that you prob don't deserve.

Welcome to the party SNAFU!!! o/SNAFU o/TPF

Welcome to the fray TSI o/TSI o/TPF o/Beer and Vodka

[quote name='Matthew Conrad' timestamp='1296972529' post='2621623'] So you guys let us attack you without fighting back on purpose? This is getting better and better. [/quote] We thought they were Rogue attacks and didn't want to hold your whole alliance responsible for their actions. But your notice that they weren't let us know that you had actually declared war on us, so we responded.

Boom Boom Artillery Boom!!!!! Time to have some fun....onward to 3mil Casualties!!!!!!

[quote name='Quinoa Rex' timestamp='1296929847' post='2620683'] Let me repeat that for anyone who didn't get it the first thousand times: [b][i][size="4"]it is an acknowledgement of hostilities that currently exist posted to avoid confusion about who is actually at war with who.[/size][/i][/b] The only thing I'm remotely upset about at this point is having to repeat that [i]ad nauseam[/i]. [/quote] Well, it is still a little confusiong. why don't you just itemize who you are at war with so everyone knows. or is it a secret??

[quote name='supercoolyellow' timestamp='1296921984' post='2620536'] UINE is not at war with FARK. [/quote] I meant [url="http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=98249"]TGE[/url] and meant UINE....still you can nit pick all you want about my lack of typing skills, but you still left an ally on the field of battle...again. And worked it out that you don't have to fight on any front the rest of the war. congrats on peace???

[quote name='Kowalski' timestamp='1296907231' post='2620400'] Try reading properly. I didn't say you had attacked us, I said it isn't our fault that you decided not to retaliate and attack us. [/quote] Ok, it was early and I wasn't quite awake yet. Re-reading it and I can see what you are saying and I apologize for calling you a liar. That said...does this mean that TPF can at least get an acknowledgement from someone in MK/Umb that you have delcared war on us?? It does seem that everywhere in this thread you acknowledge attacking us, but skip the part where you Declare War on us. I mean you claim we are losing and yall are winning this fine war, so not sure what the reluctance is to do this. I mean isn't that the least you can do?? We can at least post the Declaration on our war wall to look at later.

[quote name='Timeline' timestamp='1296555095' post='2614523'] Makes me smile when people ask why did you not fight longer, why fight for people like NpO and STA they fail to respect those people who do the right thing, We joined this war in support of our allies, not in support of NpO or STA..... We joined to support our allies and we did our job the best we could, our allies who we joined the war to protect, TCU (who had already left) and UINE who are happy with the effort we put forth. That is all that count for me. so you may start your ranting and raving, and talking trash. We did right by our allies the best we could, we have no treaty or anything with STA so have a good day [/quote] Wonder how your Allies in UNIE are doing now that FARK has jumped on them?? Good job preseerving your infra....maybe next war you can make it double digit days??

[quote name='Kowalski' timestamp='1296814802' post='2619123'] I don't think anyone (who matters) is saying ML can't do what they've done, after all remember we don't use the same antiquated 'rule book' as some of those arguing this, but merely that there are repercussions in doing so. I think it goes against what we stand for to tell someone that they can't do something, we just expect others to do as we do and accept the consequences of it. This is just a recognition of hostilities/acknowledgement of war (note: not a declaration of war) that became necessary when it was made clear that ML's original stance that they were attacking those going rogue (their interpretation) on TPF was untrue and that this was an alliance-wide situation. Yes Umbrella and MK have attacked some nations of alliances that declared on our allies. It isn't a case of double standards as it isn't our fault that [b]TPF, CCC, Legion and ARES haven't posted a recognition of hostilities or acknowledgement of war and attacked us[/b]. We attacked those nations, ML attacked us. Just because we're prepared to take it a step further and do what CCC, ARES, Legion and TPF aren't doesn't mean we're butthurt hypocrites, in fact we're doing something about it rather than just crying on the OWF as most others do. Which to be fair ML haven't, it's just those looking to decry Doomhouse as usual. [/quote] Actually that sir is a direct Lie. Blatant and quite undefensable Lie. Find 1 Offensive war from TPF against either MK or Umb. The fact is we declared war on GOONs, not MK. If you wish to attack us for that, fine, they are a treaty partner of yours and it is your right. But you really need ot climb down off the High Horse you are sitting on about how you were attacked by us.

[quote name='Banksy' timestamp='1296804572' post='2619063'] No, I said your peacemode was a factor in us barely launching any wars on you, hence there being no need for a DoW. You should try reading people's posts and stop trying to use them to fit your own little world. [/quote] See, this is the disconnect with everyone. No one knows the secret number of wars required to post a DoW. If you could be so kind as to post the list of requirements for a DoW, then everyone will know and we can follow your rules. Although ML had less wars declared than MK/Umb....so I am not sure what they did that is soooo much worse than what you did....maybe there is another rule they violated??? Maybe you could just post the entire list of rules so everyone will know them all??

[quote name='neneko' timestamp='1296795397' post='2618894'] I'm not saying they're not justified in attacking us. Nobody is saying that. Go easy on that poor strawman now. He's all beaten up already. What I was saying was that [s]ML[/s][b] Mushroom Kingdom and Umbrella [/b]didn't have the spine to make an actual DoW since they think they can avoid a counter this way. Time will tell if they're right. [/quote] There, fixed that for you.

[quote name='Caliph' timestamp='1296793978' post='2618862'] I thought they weren't because you didn't have enough nations out of peace mode in their range to count for a DOW. [/quote] See, it is so confusing to me. Here I was understanding that we were in peace mode waiting for a counter declaration to launch our attacks....and there has been none.

[quote name='AAAAAAAAAAGGGG' timestamp='1296793327' post='2618839'] I fail to see why people would be annoyed with this. Molon Labe attacked nations without talking to us first asking if those nations were rogues, then Umbrella went to them telling them that those attacks were government sanctioned, only for them to say "lol nope, they're rogues!" Considering the nations attacking were government members, it's pretty clear that their intentions were to avoid any form of real diplomacy. And that, I say fine - see you on the battlefield. Edit: [b]also there's really no point in posting a DoW if you're only declaring 1 war on a nation[/b]. [/quote] Well, if there is no reason to Post a DoW if there is only 1 war...then what is the problem with ML?? and I am a little confused about the issues with the lack of diplomacy. I mean exactly how much diplomacy did you use with NPO when you attacked them?? In fact how much diplomacy did you use when you went to war with us?? Or are you at war with us?? I mean seriously...is it that hard to say?? Are you at war with us or not??

Congrats NEW on this impressive [s]First[/s] [s]Second[/s] uhm, third??? time passing this milestone. I am sure you will have fun passing it again going the other way here sometime soon. Pretty impressive!!! o/ NEW o/ TPF

[quote name='Tygaland' timestamp='1296175755' post='2606369'] Are you still asking redundant questions? [/quote] Yes he is, and Yes I am. Also, Haters going to Hate...and I am also for you Slayer99 adicts: [quote] [15:02] <slayer99> I'd be tempted to create a nation [15:02] <slayer99> just to post [15:02] <slayer99> and then delete [15:03] <slayer99> I'm sure that would fire people up 01[15:05] <Kilkenny[TPF]> lol . . . [15:11] <slayer99> It kills me that people got so pissed off over what I did in an ....... [15:11] <slayer99> total WIN 01[15:12] <Kilkenny[TPF]> shot...if you came back and posted a "i'm back" topic on OWF...would prob break 350 viewers [15:12] <slayer99> LOL 01[15:12] <Kilkenny[TPF]> and shut down the forums [/quote] <<edited to take out OOC>>

[quote name='sigelopisan' timestamp='1296116825' post='2605169'] Lets roll the hard six TPF.... We are not invited? Darn..... [/quote] You Guys in NEW are ALWAYS invited to any War Party we have Come on over and have a cold one with us!! Time to feed the Phoenix guys The Phoenix Hungers

[quote name='Bob Janova' timestamp='1295791887' post='2593860'] It's like you guys don't even try to read. Right out of the DoW: MHA 'aren't the enemy' and 'not worth spying on' – go spy on MK or VE instead. That is, Dajobo [i]sent the spy[/i] (Lennox/Chancy) to MK or VE. That is really the core of the CB, all this thread and RV's are about is getting conclusive proof that it really [i]was[/i] Dajobo doing that. Edit: Kilkenny, one might argue that MK has a CB too, but the spy chose VE over MK of the two choices Dajobo gave him, so no spying on MK was ever actually done (at least by Lennox), so it isn't as strong as ours. [/quote] And how does that make Dajobo the Spymaster?? there was nothing in his statement that said "go and spy on VE or MK" There was a statement, in response to a question from a friend in a one on one conversation, that MK and VE are in the middle of the political scheme of things. But, you seem to have forgotten this: [quote name='Xiphosis' timestamp='1295661490' post='2590234'] Okay, I have to confess to being pretty pissed off to see R_V and others try and tar VE/Impero for the screenshot stuff for one simple reason – they did it [b]because I asked them to[/b]. Oh god Xiph set up NpO! No – exactly the opposite. That Lennox, under his rerolled name, handed them logs – while being an active VE member – of Dajabo suggesting he spy on them VE was fully prepared to roll them for that alone. [/quote] You were prepared to roll based solely on Lennox's questioning of Dajobo, Lennox's asking him for a suggestion for a nation name, not being given this info. Lennox was leading the whole conversation from the begining.....not being "sent out". I'm sorry but you don't run a spy/imformant network that way, you dictate stuff, you don't let them go floating free with no direction. Also, Do you seriously intend for everyone to believe that in the space of what..a few hours, Lennox joined your alliance, found the public area of your forums so welcoming that after being masked in 4 minutes he turned on the Spymaster??? Really??? I mean you are saying that Dajobo went out, found someone to come back in, instructed him on everything (through ESP I guess) got him started (Remember he is sending out a spy, something he knows would get his alliance attacked if it comes out) and then didn't question his gaining important info after being in the alliance only 3 days. Every bit of that is unsupported by any evidence given by anyone involved in this. It is all flimsy and circumstancial at best....soemthing that should have been dealt with diplomatically...something you didn't even try to do.

[quote name='Tygaland' timestamp='1295781136' post='2593788'] But, Heft, he has said it so many times it must be true! [/quote] Heh, I guess that must be true...the more times it is said the more it must be true. are there more logs out there, cause everything I have read of the conversations between Dajobo and lennox and Imperio and Lennox shows a vast diffeerence in who sent who. Dajobo's "method" of sending/instructing seems to revolve around I'm loling you do whatever and Imperio's includes specific instructions on what to say and how to deceive the intended target. Also, 20 hours later, with no negotiations, you have no interest in talking to either Dajobo or NpO. Weren't yall vocal about NPO's attacking DURING negotiations in the lead up to Karma?? Might makes right!!! the new VE standard. Oh, and where is MK in all this??? MK was mentioned in this as well. IF the fact that your alliance was brought up is valid reason for launching the war, and the sting operation was just to confirm...where is MK. The same applies to them too doesn't it????? seems kinda strange that the other "victim" in all this is strangly silent and absent from all this.