silentkiller

check my edit: "Although its a pretty moot point and I am sure TPF knew that you were going to offer white peace, just trying to explain what I think pride assasin is getting at."

No you misunderstood what I said. I meant that TPF walked out before the whitepeace term was officially offfered(i.e all the attackers agreeing on it), yes it would have been offered officially but TPF walked out before that. I was comparing this with the fact that even though Moo was very likely going to accept the terms offered by karma he never did in the timeframe provided (1min(?)) due to him pinging out. Although its a pretty moot point and I am sure TPF knew that you were going to offer white peace, just trying to explain what I think pride assasin is getting at.

While I dont agree with his points, this is more or what happened when NPO was surrendering to Karma on the second day of war, and we were declared on because of the age old excuse of "we were running into peace mode".

But they knew their allies were coming in a few days anyway. I must not be seeing something. Edit: By the looks of it TPF does want a larger war, otherwise they would have accepted the white peace.

umm the multi was 1200 days old.

I see all these claims of stalling, what exactly would they have achieved by stalling?

Traitrous NPO scums etc Goodluck with this LoD and Co.

I guess technically we did'nt but we still participated in the side war on GOLD

definitely last post One day before Athens and co offered white peace with admission of guilt, which I am sure you know would not have been acceptable to TPF, or their allies.

[23:46] <Impero[VE]> rayvon is willing to give the choice to seth on his own [23:47] <Impero[VE]> to resign and appologise [23:47] <Impero[VE]> and face ZI [23:48] <Impero[VE]> <@sethb[OV-DepMoFO]> I will not see OV come to any harm on my behalf [23:48] <Impero[VE]> ^and seth will do that [23:54] <Impero[VE]> nevermind, change of plans [23:54] <Impero[VE]> im sorry. [23:55] <Impero[VE]> it would happen anyway [23:55] <Impero[VE]> our allies would defend seth as a person [23:55] <Impero[VE]> no one will have this !@#$ anymore from them [23:55] <Impero[VE]> im sorry [23:55] <Impero[VE]> theres no more to discuss [23:55] <Impero[VE]> the matter should have never been brought up yep first backing off on what you accepeted because you know that you have a strong force backing you(kind of what you are saying what happpened with TPF although worse because TPF atleast didnt accept the terms) and then saying "theres no more to discuss" is attacking in the middle of negotitations. What is the point of negotitating when the other party will just back out of any agreed tems? and even if we did attack during negotitations atleast we tried to negotiate and did'nt just declare war on an unsuspecting enemy and claim the "they might run of to peace mode" excuse. and this would be my last, apparently I need sleep as well D:

Thats what you get for not reading the entire poster and being awake all night.

Yeah but you see unlike Athens and co each war that we have gone to as far as I know(from the time I joined Cn anyway) they have negotiated witht the alliance in question first.

Yes TOP was mind controlling Athens and got them to attack TPF, yep thats exactly what happened.

[23:27:39] <Desperado`> We will be around tommorow. [23:27:45] <Desperado`> Good Niught. Whoops, yes peace talks are ongoing.

CC is about diplomacy, but diplomacy doesnt mean getting your $@! handed to you for nearly a week and then agree to white peace for a cb that you think is bs. and I cant really comment on TPF's white peace offer. When did that happene? yesterday, 2nd day of war, 3rd day of war?

Exactly, peace talks and war can continue side by side, like whats happening right now.

Indeed did you know that CC convinced ZH to give Athens logs so that AThens could attack TPF and then these alllies could come and defend TPF, very clever people these CC guys. Give me a break, calling CC bloodlusty for defending their allies against what they percived was an unjust CB, not to mention that they are still outnumbered. And Athens is just for defending itself against a "threat" that had been neutralised for 5 months. Brave new world indeed.

I dunno paying reps to TPF for what they think is an unjust war? You said when the negotiations started TPF could have told their side to hold on DoW's. and I answered with that Athens and Co didnt offer any ceasefire while the talks were ongoing, so why should TPF's allies stay out of the war while TPF are getting hurt?

Just like the ceasefire that Athen,Rok, offered right? Who said talks have to stop? In the meantime Athens and co get some pixel loss due to what TPF's allies think is a bogus CB then I am fine with it. And nope I never said that white peace was the solution to this, although I did say that negotiations before the war was declared was definitely needed.

What defending TPF? yeah I am sure they dont feel too bad about being commiting that crime.

Nope I am talking about the fact that people hailed that as fighting against oppression and what not where as now its so bad.

At least they didnt accept the term and then back out

Does this remind anyone of this? You hailed it then, why is now different?

Depends if people come out of peace mode really.

http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=77461 The op states that Athens and co demanded a white peace and admission of guilt.