Clash

^^^What he said [quote name='wasso' timestamp='1355143009' post='3062371']Clash you talk like a girl . What recruiting nations ?[/quote] At least I don't talk like a flower. A fluffy flower too, with lovely pink petals! ...not that there is anything wrong with pink, hey do what you want and see if I care. [quote name='Komplex' timestamp='1355156970' post='3062393']I think we all need to relax and enjoy some nice green glow in our nations ! [/quote] We definately are, mi amigo. It's been a blast. A nuclear blast, even! On the battlefields this war hasn't had anything but quality war banter that I'm aware of.

[quote name='Eljierro' timestamp='1355088836' post='3062185']I feel old, I'm 22.[/quote] You look old. Also, a lot like that guy from [i]Gladiator.[/i] It's eerily uncanny.

[quote name='Chess Tyrant' timestamp='1355085732' post='3062170']Seriously, guys, you've gotta start killing my infra or I won't be able to pay my bills for much longer! [/quote] Also your soldiers! How is a brother gonna make it back to a million dead ones if he don't get someone killing his soldiers? You've got about 5 days to get just under 400k more casualties! Best get crackin' Added: I hope you appreciate our helpful donation to your dead soldier fund

[quote][b]Most Attacking Casualties[/b] 1) 331,107 Soldiers Lost - Zulqarnain of [url="http://tournament.cybernations.net/nation_drill_display.asp?Nation_ID=1000109"]Zulqarnain[/url] - Black Team 2) 308,522 Soldiers Lost - Larry the Cow of [url="http://tournament.cybernations.net/nation_drill_display.asp?Nation_ID=1000075"]KernelLand[/url] - Black Team 3) 281,965 Soldiers Lost - landofdefenders of [url="http://tournament.cybernations.net/nation_drill_display.asp?Nation_ID=1000366"]landofdefenders[/url] - Blue Team 4) 278,245 Soldiers Lost - Andy Capp of [url="http://tournament.cybernations.net/nation_drill_display.asp?Nation_ID=1000480"]Layzee Bumm[/url] - Blue Team 5) 246,692 Soldiers Lost - Therm of [url="http://tournament.cybernations.net/nation_drill_display.asp?Nation_ID=1000407"]Impulsive[/url] - Black Team[/quote] [quote][b]Most Defending Casualties[/b] 1) 414,175 Soldiers Lost - Aquamarine of [url="http://tournament.cybernations.net/nation_drill_display.asp?Nation_ID=1000200"]Redefined Territory[/url] - Red Team 2) 395,359 Soldiers Lost - EEEEE of [url="http://tournament.cybernations.net/nation_drill_display.asp?Nation_ID=1000023"]AmmuNation[/url] - Black Team 3) 383,984 Soldiers Lost - Shopper of [url="http://tournament.cybernations.net/nation_drill_display.asp?Nation_ID=1000241"]SKOOO[/url] - Red Team 4) 360,611 Soldiers Lost - Zulqarnain of [url="http://tournament.cybernations.net/nation_drill_display.asp?Nation_ID=1000109"]Zulqarnain[/url] - Black Team 5) 359,578 Soldiers Lost - Aeros of [url="http://tournament.cybernations.net/nation_drill_display.asp?Nation_ID=1000567"]Syracuse[/url] - Black Team[/quote] [quote][b]Total Soldier Casualties[/b] 1) 691,718 Total Soldiers Lost - Zulqarnain of [url="http://tournament.cybernations.net/nation_drill_display.asp?Nation_ID=1000109"]Zulqarnain[/url] - Black Team 2) 648,868 Total Soldiers Lost - Aquamarine of [url="http://tournament.cybernations.net/nation_drill_display.asp?Nation_ID=1000200"]Redefined Territory[/url] - Red Team 3) 624,844 Total Soldiers Lost - EEEEE of [url="http://tournament.cybernations.net/nation_drill_display.asp?Nation_ID=1000023"]AmmuNation[/url] - Black Team 4) 592,860 Total Soldiers Lost - Andy Capp of [url="http://tournament.cybernations.net/nation_drill_display.asp?Nation_ID=1000480"]Layzee Bumm[/url] - Blue Team 5) 582,862 Total Soldiers Lost - Larry the Cow of [url="http://tournament.cybernations.net/nation_drill_display.asp?Nation_ID=1000075"]KernelLand[/url] - Black Tea[/quote] [quote][b]Moi:[/b] Number of Soldiers Lost in All Wars: 157,137 Attacking + 346,935 Defending = 504,072 Casualties Casualty Rank: Ranked #12 of 658 Nations (1.82%)[/quote] That's not too bad at all, I'm back over 500k again this round. My thanks to Hellas for their quality efforts at attack coordination and radiation donations! I'm ranked a lot higher in casualties than I am in NS

According to the alliance graphs on 12/5/12: Warriors: 634,267 ns Hellas: 633,067 ATM, 12/9/12: Warriors: 414,894 Hellas: 313,620 That includes Hellas recruiting nations from mini alliances, the Warrior who is hitting TPC instead of Hellas, the Warrior who is infra-hugging and about to get his slacker butt booted out, and of course, the gosh-darned-all-to-heck-and-back flag runner tW picked up that Laz pointed out

[quote name='Einer' timestamp='1355067661' post='3062109'](I hope your planners will note that I still have one war slot.) [/quote] You'll get nothing but flowers and chocolate and like it! Oh and also o7 OP!

[quote name='lazaraus45' timestamp='1355049842' post='3062077']This was very well orchestrated flag run Clash, but i see through your ruse, I'm sure that avoiding a war with TPC has nothing to do with a certain nation who just collected and jumped on your AA. [url="http://tournament.cybernations.net/nation_drill_display.asp?Nation_ID=1001022"]A certain nation who hasn't been in a single war all round no less![/url][/quote] I'm so totally busted. Edited to add: Gotta get that guy some trades!

[quote name='apple123' timestamp='1355035572' post='3062047']I'm new to this game[/quote] You gotta learn not to be anyone's tool. You are Hellas' dancing monkey when we refused to be

[quote name='wasso' timestamp='1354968342' post='3061730']And Polar bear , yes we get our lesson , not to trust people like you .[/quote] Oh that definately goes both ways. I love that Hellas had to call in help. Wow you guys are weak

[quote name='Devil Dog' timestamp='1354946162' post='3061668']Don't know if it was intentional or not but I can't say that I really blame the Hellas government guys for wanting to go in after the Warriors went in seeing as they were team mates with TPC last time we had our little skirmish. Don't know if that was the reasoning behind government wanting to come in after you guys or not though seeing as how from what I am reading they came to you guys about this battle in the first place. Just wondering whose bright idea that was considering you guys were team mates last war.[/quote] Geez you guys are stuck on that. It doesn't mean crap. We fight alongside various alliances every round. It's not our fault you guys aren't very social. We usually fight alongside different alliances every round, and they are usually alliances we have warred against in the past. That's how we got to know them after all. Our war alongside you guys would have been just like that, hence why I had no problem listening to Wasso's offer in the first place. Some examples from previous rounds: Two rounds ago we hit NDO. Last round NDO hit us. Then later in the round we and NDO and Citadel all hit Hellas I think it was, and some others. Are you guys now going to claim NDO are our puppets? You guys have already claimed Citadel are TPC puppets. I guess Citadel must be awfully slutty to be ours too. This round us, NDO and RD had a war where we hit each other on a pre-designated update. Are they both our puppets this round? Does technically that mean TPC are true puppet masters since they apparently control those alliances through us? We can't be both NDO's and TPC puppets, can we? Or jussttttt maybeee is this whole puppet thing just completely paranoid stupid? None of this has to do with Hellas' desire that we be their meat shields, either. That [i]reallllyyyyy[/i] ticked me off. BTW we were going to hit TPC before you guys came to us, and I delayed our plans in order to listen to you guys. It would have been a fun war, if Hallas had the sack to do it. The new Hellas motto should be "We'll be right behind you! Probably."

[quote name='Forward' timestamp='1354944066' post='3061642']Really not true, as per the splitting across alliances criteria above. Hitting multiple alliances makes coordination practically impossible, since that makes each microcosm of wars become three attackers from the same alliance against three defenders from three separate alliances. The ANS difference made the war fair at best.[/quote] Now I've seen this argument before and just for giggles I'll play devil's advocate. First, in this case, it was multiple alliances hitting multiple alliances, which might make a difference. Either way, each of the target alliances isn't defending multiple alliances - they are each only defending their own alliance. You have to match up counter attackers to each of your targeted nations individually. If you have enough defenders, you can put multiple defenders in every attacking nation's war slots. Example: Nations A and B attack nations 1 and 2. In defense you can put nations 3 and 4 on nation A and nations 5 and 6 on nation B. If you are short on defenders, you have nations 3 and 4 hit both A and B. Then 5 and 6 hit both C and D, etc.

OMFG a Lonewolfe sighting! Thought you died at an old folks home years ago? o/ Moonless peoples! I'd fight for Caucasian Chocolate anytime.

[quote name='Freddy' timestamp='1354926801' post='3061564']Only in the last 24 hours have I decided I would really like you to suicide on TPC. Not once did I think of it before now.[/quote] I'd believe that except for this quote of yours: [quote name='Freddy' timestamp='1354832918' post='3061195']It would have been a good plan to let TPC fill their offensive slots, before Hellas DOWed to make TPC have 5 -6 wars. [/quote] What was a good plan for you guys sure wasn't a good plan for us now was it? [quote name='Freddy' timestamp='1354926801' post='3061564']You served TPC before and you have done it again. That is what's insulting and ironic. It's even more insulting that you're spinning it like this.[/quote] Ain't no spin, son. I quote you guys directly in what your plan regarding the Warriors was. Also: Our original war alongside TPC - who we had fought a few times over the rounds, but had never before fought alongside - was an [url="http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=113404&#entry3037534"]up-declare[/url]. In a sense it was a resolution of some bad blood that had come up betwen TPC and the Warriors in the past. If one would were to look up these old wars one might find evidence of such wouldn't one? [quote name='Freddy' timestamp='1354926801' post='3061564']Yeah, we're an even match. Which is why you were paranoid of our intentions and the reason you decided to attack us.[/quote] This I mostly agree with! Yes, I was definately sure you guys were going to leave us hanging, seeing as how you wanted us as your meat shields in the first place. You are an even war whereas us hitting TPC alone as you wanted was in no way good for our alliance. We attacked you for the insult of thinking we were your meat shields, and for bailing out on a war that was your idea in the first place. War start stats from alliance pages: Warriors: 634,267 total ns Hellas: 633,067 total ns Current stats from the same place: Warriors: 541,119 total ns Hellas: 482,766 total ns

[quote name='King Ernie' timestamp='1354902331' post='3061474']So have I but... at least I don't need nukes.[/quote] I dunno if I need them or not, but I do so dearly love them. Sometimes my WRC and I take our nukes on long walks in the park.

^^ What he said! [quote name='TigerBaby' timestamp='1354865036' post='3061383']Second possibility. You couldn't con warriors into attacking us alone so are now frustrated that instead of suiciding alone against us they are whipping you. Oh the irony.[/quote] We have a winner! Hellas wanted us to go in and hit TPC by ourselves, then they "probably" would have come in two days later. As they have said, they hoped that TPC would have already filled our defensive war slots with their offensive war slots - which means fewer potential offensive wars against Hellas. The Warriors and TPC would have 5-6 wars each and Hellas would only have as many wars as they chose to declare - assuming they even declared on TPC at all. Which I have good reason to doubt. Now while we won't win many grounds against TPC, one thing we do have is 23 Manhatten Projects and 300+ nukes. Though we would lose in overall losses per day, we most likely could have made sure almost every TPC nation got nuked. Which means they can't declare any wars. Which means even fewer wars against Hellas. Plus much easier targets after we have softened them up a bit and at least nuked away planes and whatnot. So basically Hellas wanted us to be their puppet meat shields. Now why might we find that insulting? It's a great reason to hit someone, imho. Then because we wouldn't be their puppet meat shields - Hellas accuses us of being TPC's puppet meat shields. Well screw those guys, we are no one's anything. So have a radioactive lunch and get over that please. BTW according to the alliance graphs on 12/5/12: Warriors: 634,267 ns Hellas: 633,067 That's after our blitz started which knocked them down a bit. Almost exactly the same number of nations as well. It's a very even war ...and a lot better than what Hellas wanted us to do.

[quote name='Forward' timestamp='1354841465' post='3061243'] Just as a comment, I really don't see anything wrong with this war... I mean, certainly a war on TPC could not afford to wait for a "2-3 day" wait this late in the round, and Hellas sure seems to be trying to hide its own flagrunners (though they probably don't stand a chance against TPC's). Indeed, we three TFKers who hit some TPC flagrunners had to move ahead with very flawed coordination simply because we could not afford to keep waiting, although we otherwise certainly should and could have done much better. [/quote] Yeah you guys kinda pre-emptively hit TPC, anticipating they were going to hit you like they did last time. Nice going, and TPC appreciates it. I know this because they said so in their channel last night lol. Imagine what that could have been if Hellas had sacked up and gone with us to hit TPC? The three of us, with OP coming in later? We might have actually given them a decent run for their money. I mean, they still win the flag going away, but at least we make things interesting and poor Einer doesn't have to find out how much infra costs at the 6000 level. Ah what could have been.

[quote name='Chess Tyrant' timestamp='1354813986' post='3061106'] Have you looked at TPC's roster lately? We have 25 nations over 30K NS, and 23 with 3999+ infra. Warriors have two of each. [/quote] I think that post pretty much describes what going up against TPC at this point would mean. How the hell would picking that fight - alone - be good for our members? If we had help, we would have done it though. Too bad Hellas didn't have the sack to provide it. [quote name='Freddy' timestamp='1354832918' post='3061195']No one backed out of anything. We were discussing plans with them. They wanted to make the target list.[/quote] Lies. You guys backed out on hitting TPC with us - which was your idea in the first place - and that should not be in dispute by now. I told Wasso we were going to war on the very date we did. we were going to hit SOMEBODY. You guys had at least two days of warning for a war, even more seeing as how you came to us on the idea in the first place before you backed out of it. You were actually 1000 ns higher than us in average nation strength when we hit you. So why hug so hard? And no, we did not want to make the target list, not alone. I can log dump to prove that. Wasso wanted me to make one - for a war you guys weren't even going to have ther balls to fight. He wanted me to take time from my real life to make a list you guys never had any intention to ever use. That was just another thing that ticked me off. [quote name='Freddy' timestamp='1354832918' post='3061195'][b]It would have been a good plan to let TPC fill their offensive slots, before Hellas DOWed to make TPC have 5 -6 wars[/b]. That's how Hellas might have done it without tW. If tW doesn't like a proposal that doesn't mean they need to kill the messenger. Just take your toys and $%&@ off. It was never their plan to play nice with Hellas. They were telling us lies from the start, so we wouldn't expect their attack and to get some info for their attack. This was their plan all along.[/quote] Can everyone read this? We were supposed to have the top 20-odd tW nations with full slots from TPC to make Hellas happy. This is their idea of friendship and working together. Are you !@#$@#$ kidding me?! So TPC would use all their offensive slots on us - then "maybe" hellas would have attacked, once they were safe from getting any defensive wars. COWARDS. WTF are you thinking? Why would ANY alliance ever agree to that? You sir are a grade A idiot. And of course, you guys came to US. The lies are still being told on your side. [quote name='Freddy' timestamp='1354832918' post='3061195']After they joined TPC to hit us it would be foolish for Hellas to take the lead in a war they propose. And hasn't it proven foolish to trust tW? We did the right thing by not blindly doing what they suggest.[/quote] We did the right thing by not blindly doing what you suggested, hypocrite. You wanted US to take the lead, remember? And all the damage while you sat back and watched. You guys never even guaranteed you would war at all. You wanted us to make sure you didn't have to. We were going to war last update, that date was set, and Hellas knew it. When they cowarded out of fighting with us, they became the logical target to fight against us.

[quote name='Lorlax' timestamp='1354810419' post='3061083']good coordination and planning you could have hit TPC hard on your own no doubt. The axis proved in WWII that Coordination and planning can over power numbers with ease[/quote] ...i.e. : "Oh why didn't tW fight TPC by themselves so we could have a shot at the flag ourselves! Why, they must be TPC puppets for not wanting to attack an alliance well over TWICE their average ns while we sit around and watch!" Right now TPC's 25th nation is 30k. We have 3 nations that big. Right now we have only 20 nations that could even hit their 25th nation - all MASSIVE updeclares. Remember you guys came to US then you guys pansied out on it when we were willing to go for it. This argument you guys keep crying with is utterly stupid. ...and btw never compare a stupid game to WWII lol Godwin's Law ftw!

[quote name='Lorlax' timestamp='1354809075' post='3061072'] the round ends the 15th? you attacked 10 days before the end of the round, which means you could have waited 2-3 days for us, i only came out of nuclear anarchy like 5 days ago... remember that time OP, RE, NDO, Hellas were all at war while Warriors and TPC built strength? [/quote] The round ends on the 15th meaning the 14th is the last day of fighting. Yesterday was the 5th. That means waiting a few days means why bother at all? I love that your arguments basically come down to "Oh why didn't tW fight TPC by themselves so we could have a shot at the flag ourselves! Why they must be TPC puppets for not wanting to attack an alliance well over TWICE their average ns while we sit around and watch!" Hypocrites, the lot of you.

[quote name='Lorlax' timestamp='1354808595' post='3061066'] Was it not possible to delay a war by a few days to allow Hellas nations to rebuild warchests? i bet the 3 guys i am fighting are all sitting on 70m warchests... [/quote] A few days? No, the round is almost over. You still wouldn't have had the guts to do what you asked us to do.

[quote name='Freddy' timestamp='1354805091' post='3061047'] Hitting us the same night as the joint war you proposed shows it was a diversion all along. If you were ever sincere, you would have given us time between our gov and our alliances to work out the details. Whatever you want to say your motivation is...you have served TPC...again. What else do you call someone who is manipulated to act in the interests of the principal player? A puppet? Shame on us for trusting you...with your deceptive talk of "regretting helping TPC".[/quote] There isn't any time left! The round is nearly over. YOU guys came to US. We told you the exact day we were going to war. You had at least two days to get ready, more than enough time - but you wimped out. Your ridiculous idea of us being puppets is because we wouldn't hit them alone when less than half our alliance could even hit them. Oh yeah, we are puppets because we wouldn't do a suicide charge that leaves half our of members not even fighting - so YOU could benefit? That's the key part - if we hit them alone, you make sure TPC never wars against you, cowards. That's why you down-declared on NDO in the first place. We aren't your !@#$@#$ puppets either, son. What kind of stupid is that? Epic, mega-stupid. So easy to wish it on someone else when you lack the courage to do it yourselves.

[quote name='wasso' timestamp='1354787918' post='3060977']Let me tell you something Clash , if there is one person who is afraid from the Infra damage , it must be you . You know why ? Because if you really wanted to hit TPC , you would have done that WITH OR WITHOUT US .[/quote] Two days ago when I checked, our 19th biggest nation could barely hit their 26th biggest nation. That was two days ago, it was worse as of last night, only 17 could have hit them. Most of our nations couldn't even fight in a war like that. So why the hell would we do it? It'd be pretty stupid and not good for our members. With you guys, we would have had 35 nations against their top nations. That was doable, especially since we'd have had even more help later on. We'd not have stopped them from getting the flag, but we could have guaranteed their nations spent the rest of the round in nuke anarchy at least. Plus having our smaller nations hit each other solved everything. Everybody wars and it's a fun and original fight for everybody - instead of the crushing you WANTED us to take on our own. [b]You guys left us hanging[/b]. For that alone you needed hitting. Yeah right, we should hit them by ourselves and then you "probably" would have hit two days later after we'd already taken a beating. "Probably," but I doubt it. You ducked TPC when you down-declared so massively against NDO. That was the weakest war of the entire round by anyone. I told you what night we were going to war. You left us hanging. So all y'all can quit your crying and sniveling right now.

[quote name='Alexandros o Megas' timestamp='1354780984' post='3060949']I like the way you cry! [/quote] If by "cry" you mean pointing out you are an infra-cuddling, dandelion-sniffing, tulip-chugging, gardenia-gobbling, daisy-kissing, begonia-snuggling, fluffy lil rose humper, why yes, that's exactly right. Pucker up, buttercup!

[quote name='Alexandros o Megas' timestamp='1354778990' post='3060939'] Obviously! [/quote] Did you really just make the biggest down declare you could possibly find? Right now you are 22k ns and you hit a nation that is right now at 9400 ns? Reallyyyyy? We have all kinds of big nations for you to fight. My top two targets are bigger than I am. Yet that's who you picked for you first offensive war? That's the fellow you felt competent enough to hit? Oh yeah, we named the war absolutely right.

Facts are facts. You wanted us to hit TPC by ourselves, then you "probably" would have hit them in a couple days or so. Yeah, maybe. But I doubt it. We wanted to war. You did not. Next time grow a pair. Wasso wanted to war. [s]Bomb[/s] Freddy seems to have wanted to war. So by default who was the big infra-hugging pansy?