kulomascovia

[quote name='JT Jag' timestamp='1285738927' post='2467879'] My apologies, but this is an aggressive action against us without a legitimate CB. How are we not defending ourselves? The precedent some of you are trying to set, that inviting someone else to fight you is a CB, is a dangerous one indeed. I'm sure every alliance here has at one point had a member invite another alliance to fight them over whatever grievance the two might have with eachother. [/quote] Indeed, it's dangerous to think that one might declare war over repeated antagonistic comments however it is perfectly acceptable to attack anyone smaller than you with no CB right? Typical GOONS logic.

[quote name='Raider' timestamp='1285737688' post='2467813'] I fail to see how receiving help from our friends due to our limited number of high level NS nations is cowardly. [/quote] You make belligerent and provocative comments and actions to others while hiding behind your allies. That is cowardly.

[quote name='Haquertal' timestamp='1285737323' post='2467792'] lol. Really. lol. And there's that coward word again. Please stop stooping yourself to this level, RV. My nation looks up to you [/quote] It you don't want to be called cowards, stop acting like cowards.

[quote name='JT Jag' timestamp='1285737013' post='2467777'] As this is an alliance war (again, in my opinion), you should have known what to expect. [/quote] Don't worry, I don't think anyone expected GOONS to defend itself without outside help.

Thanks for keeping this updated.

[quote name='Sup4l33t3ki11a' timestamp='1285724851' post='2467495'] [center][size="2"][u][b]Feel free to drop by our forums at [color="#0000ff"]www.cn-tio.com[/color] or our IRC channel on coldfront, [color="#ff0000"]#tio[/color]. If you're a member of an allied alliance, please feel free to request access to our V.I.P channel,[color="#ff0000"] #imperialist[/color][/b][/u][/size][/center] [/quote] My alliance has allies, can I have access to your VIP channel?

[quote name='potato' timestamp='1285703533' post='2467094'] hurr durr that was terrible I'm not interested in your "This is Candy Land, let's all hug" moralism. [/quote] That has very little relevance to my post. If you intend to purposefully inflame others in order to laugh childishly about it then you shouldn't be taken seriously. Thus, "elite" would be more of an antonym to the Mushroom Kingdom. In all honesty, I do not see why anyone should care about what the members of the Mushroom Kingdom say as their comments usually have little to none constructive material. But I digress, this announcement isn't about the Mushroom Kingdom. Congrats IRON on the new government/president.

[quote name='O-Dog' timestamp='1285702530' post='2467078'] What is this 'other side'? Or are you saying that if you are not a member of SuperComplaints, then, by definition, you are the 'other side'? IRON make an announcement and the MucKers come out in their droves to whine. As do a lot of their suck-up mates. That is what I object to and voicing my objection does not require growing or rallying anything; nor is it a 'cause'. [/quote] I'd say you're doing something right if you can get MK to come and complain in droves. I wouldn't worry about what others think of you.

[quote name='potato' timestamp='1285701061' post='2467066'] We're an elite alliance [/quote] This is a rather amusing statement coming from a [s]troll[/s] controversial alliance.

[quote name='Carnoly' timestamp='1284575196' post='2454881'] Why the heck did you bump it? You aren't even in the alliance? Anyway, who cares, thanks? [/quote] I used to be in NADC. I used to bump the old NADC recruitment thread occasionally.

[quote name='JT Jag' timestamp='1285619849' post='2466206'] If it's some dumb, 30-day old nation who is giving Methrage uranium, we'd politely ask them to cease the trade because they're just another nation Methrage has scammed into helping him. If, however, it is a three-year-old nation and a member of high standing in an alliance with notable diplomatic presence, then that's a different story entirely. At that point, you have to know better, and ignorance ceases to be an excuse. [/quote] I understand that. My question was what if the nation in question doesn't really care about the political/diplomatic aspects of the trade and just wanted a rogue's resources. It doesn't matter whether it is a 30 day old nation or a 3 year old nation. I'm speaking about this in a broader sense. The rogue can be anyone, not just Methrage.

[quote name='Beefspari' timestamp='1285611278' post='2466105'] That's not what I said. You ignored the specifics and the preceding paragraph. I'm not talking about someone going rogue and suddenly whoever was in their circle is in the wrong. I specifically said someone intentionally providing them with uranium after the fact, in a position where you can show that they know what they did was give uranium to a rogue who was going to use it to nuke people. [/quote] How do you know that the guy who offered the trade doesn't just need the resources?

[quote name='Beefspari' timestamp='1285533833' post='2465446'] KN could grow to 7000 members and treaty the entire planet and Methrage would still be a rogue. KN might be an alliance by that point but that doesn't mean Methrage gets off the hook. You don't retroactively become not a rogue just because the AA you're in grows in members, [b]especially if you're in the same conflict you were in when people decided you were a rogue[/b]. Adding members is not a free pass to doing whatever you want. I'm sure Methrage picked up on my comment a few pages back about how I hate applying arbitrary numbers to alliancedom for this exact reason. He probably saw it and said "Hey I bet I could do that and then people would have to unsanction me!" It's also unfortunate that Methrage is picking up such young nations. We already know Methrage is really good at tricking and deceiving people into assisting him, whether it's through tech deals where he doesn't tell them the important fact that aiding him is an act against GOONS, or recruiting young people who don't know any better. Methrage will hurt anyone he has to to get where he wants. If he has to sacrifice a hundred nations to get what he wants, he will. I hope I never see the day where a rogue can trick 10 new nations into joining his pretend AA and be considered an alliance and free from sanctions. [/quote] It's rather funny to see you talk that way about new nations.

:/ I miss this.

[quote name='Timmehhh' timestamp='1285421030' post='2464243'] I don't know about Methrage, but JimKongIl is by all definitions of the game a nuclear rogue. He aided (Methrage) an enemy of GOONS ( [url="http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=91676&hl=goons&st="]http://forums.cybern...76&hl=goons&st=[/url] ) and in the end he decided to DOW GOONS. He even stated himself that he regret that he didn't DOW'ed more alliances after he was nuked. [/quote] GOONS has ordered spy attacks upon him. I believe he has a valid CB to declare war.

[quote name='commander thrawn' timestamp='1285359006' post='2463522'] At least the motivations of a tech raid are honest, there is no pretense of being on the defensive or fighting for justice. [/quote] Just because they are honest about their opportunism doesn't mean that raiding should be acceptable. At the end of the day, it doesn't matter; the end result is the same.

Nice work, I guess there wasn't much news today.

[quote name='ktarthan' timestamp='1285226044' post='2461973'] I will never understand why people say tech raiding is "no apparent reason". The reason is to raid for tech. You may not agree with the reason, but there is a reason, and it is really quite apparent. Secondly, where do we [i]brandish[/i] our "cowardice" as a valuable trait? I don't care if you think that smart and efficient raiding is cowardly, because while I disagree, you're entitled to that opinion. But... where do we brag about it? Yeah, sure, our raiding gets talked about a lot, but that's because it ruffles a lot of peoples' feathers. For the record, we have far more valuable traits than raiding a lot. [/quote] Tech raiding is attacking a nation that has done nothing to be attacked. Thus, there would be no CB for the war. Members of GOONS have often spoken of how much they like to ruffle other people's feather's, as you have said, and that this is what incites them to continue it. It is as if the act of attacking smaller nations and then asking "do something about it" is something to be proud of. [quote name='kriekfreak' timestamp='1285226224' post='2461974'] Funny that you call GOONS cowards for attacking smaller nations and making a big fuss about it. And then do nothing to stop them. I think you are the coward here. At least Methrage is man enough to fight back can't say the same of you and all those other whiners. [/quote] Well, how can I stop them? Attack them myself? That wouldn't stop them from raiding.

[quote name='Haquertal' timestamp='1285224546' post='2461957'] Again with the cowardice. Seriously. Either come up with something new, or understand that it's time to stop posting. [/quote] Well, the thing is, I don't quite see any legitimate defenses against it. You encourage your membership to attack smaller nations because they can get away with it and because you have well connected allies which means that no one can do anything about it. Cowardice is the nature of your alliance.

[quote name='James Wilson' timestamp='1285224376' post='2461954'] Jim isn't innocent. He did aid methrage. [/quote] I wasn't referring to Jim.

[quote name='Beefspari' timestamp='1285224014' post='2461946'] It's funny. Half the time people complain that GOONS pick on weaker people and we're cowards and trying to be tough guys and bullies. The other half the time they say we're idiots for fighting stronger people, and we're cowards (and will peace out or flee) or are just putting on a front to be tough guys and bullies. We're idiots whether we fight weaker people or stronger people. Seriously, it's impossible to win. Unless we just acted like other alliances and never fought anyone at all. I guess you're cool to let people aid your enemies and not do anything about it because you're afraid of whatever might happen. I'll keep that in mind. [/quote] Perhaps if you stopped attacking innocent nations for no apparent reason then people will have a change in heart but I guess that's too much to ask from an alliance that brandishes its cowardice as its most valuable trait.

[quote name='gantanX' timestamp='1285221366' post='2461913'] i predict a white peace after one round of war no one really like getting nuked.. [/quote] Clearly you don't know the lengths GOONS will go to look tough on the OWF.

[quote name='Mandolus' timestamp='1285178969' post='2461161'] The fact that our nations have been chomping at the bit to declare on these nuke rogues? The fact that we don't have a single nation in peace mode? The fact that our only nation in range of JimKongIl told him to "bring it on"? [/quote] And I've addressed these points from BeefSpari's post. If you think there is something wrong with my reply, I'd be glad if you would point them out to me. [quote name='ktarthan' timestamp='1285179003' post='2461162'] kulomascovia, to reply to the general argument you're putting forth: The nations of GOONS aren't stupid. We like to fight. We don't mind taking nukes and losing some infra, but that doesn't mean we're going to disregard [i]strategy[/i] and actively take steps to increase the damage we will take. Someone who doesn't fight well doesn't get to fight for long, so how would it benefit ourselves to intentionally take more damage? [/quote] Ok, fair enough. I can understand the use of strategy in dealing with nuclear rogues who know what they're doing. However, that still doesn't explain why your sub 10k ns nations often declare on smaller targets that won't fight back. I'm sure some of you love to fight however I don't quite agree that GOONS as a whole is an alliance that loves to have fun with good fights and losing infra over those fights.

[quote name='Mandolus' timestamp='1285178241' post='2461152'] You are really pretty ignorant of the facts here and what GOONS is all about. These flimsy arguments do nothing but pull back the veil on your anti-GOONS PR agenda. Oh no, we use dreaded [i]sanctions[/i]. That [i]totally[/i] gives our low level nations the advantage against nukes and warchests and military wonders. [/quote] If you believe I am ignorant and that my arguments are flimsy, why don't you tell me what I'm missing?