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Rather defensive there RV. I suggested that perhaps it is time we buried the hatchet and see if we can move forming a friendship and you fly off the handle. I never said we are friends. As dilber said its just a PIAT. But your absolute vitriol at the notion of our two alliances could even take the first baby steps of forming a friendship is rather revealing. You can deny my original assertion as to your motives, thats easy it only takes a few words but the rest of your post says the exact opposite and proves my point.

Ah are you upset that we are getting friendly. Poor RV, he went to the one place that he thought we would never befriend. But RV as I said in a post that Vox obviously didn't think to fit the narrative, I'm tired of fighting them. I've been fighting them since the dawn of my nation. I look forward to seeing if we can form a friendship and play the other side of the coin. And that even includes you.

Ven diagram of subsets Dr. Hawking thats why it looks like an Euler diagram.

That is correct

All hypocrites are liars. Did you fail logic or do I need to draw you a ven diagram.

No they are. Their actions when they got a partial IP match on Silva and Junka proved that. If you say you are opposed to something then do exactly that you are a liar.

Roll? Your alliance has never been in a single major war. You are toadies who to use an economics expression lives under someone elss damn.

Hey when the alliances were 3 times as large and their governments were 3 times as small it was a great time for just about everybody. Today there are many generals, not enough soldiers.

The ridiculous treaty web is a side effect of the ridiculous amount of micro-alliances like Avalanche. Until such time as everyone can stop trying to be a general leading their little clique of misfits the web will be a mess. Hell its even hard to use the term mico-alliance anymore. Everything has been so diluted an alliance that boasted only enough nations to be considered minor 2 years ago today would be considered a major player.

It hurts the offsite community. It makes offsite forums which are part of the lifeblood of the game more secretive and less enjoyable to the average player. Not that you care.

You found redemption didn't you.

Why isn't it up yet?

No I'm not. This game has ground to a standstill because everyone wants to be a general so we have dozens upon dozens of micro alliances lead by little napoleons where every member has some sort of government position. This game was at its best when alliances were few and huge and their governments were small.

What the hell is wrong being a mindless pawn? This game was at its best when allainces were huge, and their governments were small. Wars are fun. But the effort to start them is a pain in the $@!. I tried being alliance government once in web bassed text game and @#%((& hated it. Never want to do it again ... ever. I'll just enjoy the ride and curbstomp some helpless alliances into the ground now and then. I'd say that the problem with this game right now is too many people want to be kings. To put it another way I DONT CARE! I don’t have a childs over developed sense of fairness.

So you are saying he should have re-rolled as a pro vox clone? That wouldn’t have been much a new character would it? And the war declarations page pretty much proved that it was starfox that was holding the grudge. I'll ignore the irony that your own allaince founder doesn't even come close to the standards you are setting for a re-roll.

Really I remember Junka as being very pro Vox and anti NPO. Seemed to be a rather new character to me. I dont thnk you would ever see myself or any NPO member ever agreeing with Junka.

You know Doitz in all his time here I have never once seen Silva acknowledge that he was junkalunka. Not IC or even OOC. He has gone to such great measure to stay IC its downright admirable. His re-roll is exemplary, especially with so many members of vox choosing to call him Junka. Yet here you are makings such allegations against him while you defend those who flat out go re-roll and do the usual 'hey guys I'm so and so re-rolled let me back in the alliance and give me my old government job back.'

Did you tell starfox that also? Cause I think he missed the memo.

lol. Really how long have you been playing the game Heft? Don’t be ridiculous.

God the hypocrisy and rationalization here is so thick you can cut it with a knife. And for sponge going out into the wilderness Talk about a monumental messiah complex. And sponge went out into the wilderness for three months. And there he was tempted by satan... who took the form of a cow.

Oh yes I was. Oh yes you were. Oh yes I did. And I read those arguments when you made them all those months ago too. They were bull then and they are bull now. Oh yes you are. I call it voxocrisy. Its on topic because part of the topic of conversation as stated in the OP is the use of what you guys call perma/eternal ZI. But I'm not arguing against PZI. I'm arguing against hypocrisy of those who argue against it. THe hypocrisy of those who would on one hand campaign against eternal ZI yet the moment when someone they dont like re-rolls they identify him through an IP match and attack him at the drop of a hat.

Wrong. Our evidence was a rock solid IRC log. Their evidence was a partial IP match.

What the hell does that matter? Logs get leaked all the time. It was the classic 'Hey I'm so and so's reroll let me in and give me power' IRC log that gets so many alliances in trouble. His forked tongue and log dumping gene is what keeps him on. Until he can come and sincerely ask to be let off and stop his childish IRC games he will never be let off. Propaganda of my government? I was the first one in the game to recognize and point out that what you were doing to Silva/Junka was an eternal ZI. Hypocrites never see their own hypocrisy. You made the same bull excuses then that you are making right now then ended your wars with him when you started taking a PR hit. Hypocrisy will do that you know.

Did you read the log I just posted. He flatly admitted it. CIS confirming it was meaningless. Like hell he tried that. Sincere my $@!. That entire log is him speaking with forked tongue trying to get IRON in a gotcha moment. Which is pretty much the theme of all the IRC logs he has dumped in his campaign to get off of ZI. Its no surprise they dont like him and arent going to let him off. He's got the sincerity of a rattler. You knew he was junka because he tried to log into your open IRC channel where his IP was banned and you attacked him immediately. Just how deep is your memory hole? You are the biggest bunch of moralistic hypocrites on planet bob.

Perhaps if he sincerely asked to be let off rather than constantly trying to play IRC gotcha in a way that is so transparent its laughable and then dumpling logs on the forums he might get somewhere.