Alter Leader Nabla

It seems some nations are clearly underestimating the damage we took. Let's take Matt Miller. Since I like him and he is the pride of IRON. Matt Miller had over 20 000 infra before the war, he was number #1 of the whole game, right now, Matt is around 3500 Infra, he roughly lost a bit less than 20,000 infra. I currently am at around 1000 infra, would I get out of this war tomorrow, I would still have to wait five days to get out of Nuclear Anarchy and I would clear a little over 3 mil. I am a 700-days nation and so far I have been lucky in this war to fight moderate fighters, I haven't come accross a triple-update blitz team or anything of that sort. There are currently 29 pages of IRON nations under 1000 infra, that's 338 nations, approximately half of IRON. There aren't much warchests left. That's what a 15 mil ns drop means.

As sung by Louis Armstrong : "It takes two to tango, two to tango,..." (damn the song is stuck in my head now). It would be highly hypocritical to say Karma hadn't be aching for this war to happen. As for the whole "You can pay it." Well I can't at least, I lost over 34 000 ns and my warchest of 250 millions is now long gone

Hahaha Oh wow. I'll just list these arguments when all the people asking us to pay reps we can't and don't want to pay, will be on the other side of the NS drop. So much for Karma being the good guys.

ITT : I Bawww that you Bawww so stop Bawwwing.

I would like to correct you : NPO thought they would win. Other alliances knew it was suicidal and had to walk in it dishearted.

Why would I need to? I already have three very nice opponents that thought they could bring me down with triple teaming and superior NS. Just the challenge I needed - too easy tho.

I do believe we're doing well against the odds. http://www.cybernations.net/search_wars.as...&Extended=1 Edit : how awesome, a previous opponent is reading me! Hi Guzalot!

there is a tl;dr actually. here it is. I promise it's not a rickroll, it's actually a real and mostly accurate history of CN.

Lacks a lot of Information over IRON. here are a few things I remember IRON was previously a "Independent" Alliance close to Neutral, after the pressure it had known to choose a side during GWIII, it was planned to get out of it through an ODP With ONOS but it was never posted due to ONOS stupidly spying. IRON effectively got out of Independency by attacking FAN through its not yet announced but signed treaty with MCXA, effectively getting IRON out of Neutrality. Also, I was said in OPSEC during the GOONS war that it was previously planned for GOONS and FAN to ally during the FAN-WUT war but that GOONS betrayed it. Not sure whether this was true or propaganda but it did go in private military channels. for all that goes after, well, we got bigger, we went allies with NpO against UJP. As far as I know, IRON has been called Bandwagoner, RON (FAN-WUT), Meatshield (UJW) and cowards, RON again (Karma War). so it pretty much sums up the fact we have been the best alliance making the best moves so far

This should have been made a long time ago. Oh well, I hope that our apologies can be accepted even if our timing is less-than-perfect. Don't get it wrong though, I do hope we go on warring a bit, I think I can probably bill lock that guy if...

Well, we can't ask NPO to be as awesome as us. It's not something any alliance can do.

Apologies accepted As for the second question, I don't really need to say it, you can easily guess wich ones will try to get the top spot and how they will do it. Who isn't loosing that much NS and is not fighting big alliances? who isn't implicated in this war but will get the biggest profit? Surely, there will be new allies or already existing allies that can put up a bloc strong enough not be destroyed. Look at the trends, look at how general membership are speaking to their ennemies. Some might be deemed as honorable, don't be fooled, they are merely repeating what the alliance leaders said in the latest Communication from their governement. They believe it but it's all part of a plan, of what's coming next. But I am not teaching you anything

Actually a whole lot of people in Karma are already doing that.

Well, you are actually right I didn't mean to put up an attitude like "I don't care, I'm stronger". What I mean is "I don't care, I can live with 0 infra".

this argument as a terrible flaw. You believe that we will be the only one willing to take the seat of power. I'm not saying that Karma has no honor and a lust of power what I do say is that there will be political moves from alliances in Karma to destroy/weaken/damage other alliances currently in karma, simply because this is the game and because you will be afraid of each other just like you were afraid of us. Doitzel is possibly right about the circle that cannot be broken, it's how the game is meant to be played. Everything else is words. Honor lies in actions.

I don't really need to help my case Doitzel. I actually don't give a damn about my case.

Oh and just for the kicks of adding fuel to the fire that is BURNING is this thread The GW1 argument does not apply here (aka : we dun let NPO with lenient terms cuz they will build up and kik ur asses just leik it wus afta GW1 Hurr Durr) Great War 1 only lasted 15 days, plus these were times where the nation sizes were considerably smaller. A quick look on the wiki tells us that : Good lord, 32 to 40 millions, I mean my warchest was 4 times bigger than that prior to this war. But I'm still pretty sure this was an huge sum at the time. If we do rebuild steady and fast, I really think that reparations will only delay this reparation for a bit. No, if you really want to crush us, do it. If you do not, don't do it, ask for terms if you are too afraid of what we might do afterwards and wish to gain some times, give us white peace if the war bores you to hell now that you finally think we're not a threat anymore. Right now this is not what Karma as a whole should preoccupy itself with. You should look further and prepare for the next war to come. Power struggles are back and surely, I will enjoy eating some popcorns while all alliances will try to find as many allies as possible, including some in the hegemony that they would have wanted to give peace if they knew what was coming

I don't really care what falls upon us : Harsch Terms, White Peace, Perpetual Destruction. I'll still be there.

Admin officially call it Great War IV Therefore it's GW IV - Karma War.

Sir Glen > I doubt Ragnarok has that much nations still able to fight. So don't worry too much about this.

You do realize that using the same ODP that ties us, IRON & TOP, to declares on allies is a blatant spit in the face of IRON? We would probably have accepted any move you would have put to use in this war, but this does not pass.

I don't care too much about this anymore. It's not in my habit of trolling but I think I can safely predict that this was not TOP's best move.

While I didn't doubt TOP would enter the conflict on the opposite side, I find it disgusting they choose to do so through the OUT. I have lost a lot of respect for TOP today.

there seems to be bandwith problems =( Too bad, I just love these stats.

I'm a bit disappointed in MHA. After their first declaration, this feels a bit like hypocrisy/bandwagoning. Oh well, I still wish you the best of luck for this war, a clean and challenging fight.