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[quote name='LucasSnow' date='11 February 2010 - 09:15 PM' timestamp='1265951711' post='2176745'] Here is the problem Legion: When someone who speaks for an entire government says peace is had, it is assumed peace is had and posts are made. Now you claim a veto vote was taking place, the proper thing to do would have been to immediately mention this so all parties would know that Peace was in fact not had yet, and that voting was in process. In not doing this you allowed for Peace, official Peace I may add, to be had. Now according to your own Charter you have the right to Veto it, I am not disputing that, and you did. But; this is nothing but bad politics and will spell trouble for Legion for years to come. This is set up so that once Peace is agreed on you have the option to overrule it and redeclare. Many alliances, Sparta included, will take offense to such actions. If there is no peace to be had you must say so, not mislead said governments with false statements or by [b] not speaking up[/b]! You can E-Lawyer all you want, but Peace was had, then you Vetoed it, something that should have been mentioned from the start, you lead us on. Grats on negotiating the wrong way. This is my personal Opinion and not the Official Sparta Position: We offered you White Peace, you denied it. We offered you White Peace again, you accepted it, failed to inform us that a veto vote was in process and the Peace was not Official until said voting was over, you lead us to believe Peace was had by not speaking up, a failure in [b]your[/b] government process, not our own. You withdrew white Peace. Now to reiterate; this is my opinion and not the official stance of Sparta, though I know many agree. This is a slap in the face and an insult, not only was is bad negotiating but a deliberately misleading and hostile action, during peaceful talks. In my opinion; White Peace is off the table, never to be offered again. I'll fight you for the next 5 years before I sign an offer of White Peace. Your own government screwed you. [/quote] In these cases, it's normally the IG who monitors everything and speaks up, but since I resigned a week ago, the legion is currently without an Inspector General.

[quote name='wandmdave' date='11 February 2010 - 09:09 PM' timestamp='1265951393' post='2176714'] And you let him talk for you, now I'm really confused? [/quote] I'm the Legion's resident Chinaman. That's enough of a title to wave around when I'm debating with the likes of you guys. EDIT: that's a compliment by the way, you should be honored that a Chinaman has deemed you worth of debating against.

[quote name='Hyperion321' date='11 February 2010 - 09:00 PM' timestamp='1265950801' post='2176654'] I suppose this whole argument is rather moot at this point. The war is back on. For this, there will be no white peace for you Legion. This war will be long, and for you it will be painful. Your alliance will be completely and utterly destroyed. Your tech - pillaged. Your nations - flattened. Your citizens - wiped out. We will not stop or slow down your destruction until you come to us, all together and together in agreement for once, asking for surrender. And no, you won't be able to pull this veto bullcrap again. Until you are ready to give up properly, enjoy your trip through hell. I know I will. tl;dr - You're screwed. [/quote] The good thing about trolls is that you can smell them from miles away, so you at least have time to brace yourself for the worst of the smell when they arrive.

[quote name='Il Impero Romano' date='11 February 2010 - 08:40 PM' timestamp='1265949622' post='2176575'] It may be hard to accept but, yes, yes he did. According to some of your higherups in the other discussion on the issue, there was an "internal miscommunication" on your alliances end that ultimately lead to the leader of your alliance feeling like it was prudent to conclude peace terms. Also, note that your MoFA was also involved with the matter. Be happy with that decision, be angry with that decision, doesn't really matter which. Fact remains it was made. [/quote] so i'm guessing you can provide logs of him providing you sigs? because just those measly 4 lines that you have as an excuse of a log don't prove anything.

Also, IF our Imperator had given the signatures and an official surrender statement, then yes, I do agree that a veto at this point would be stupid, inappropriate and undiplomatic. However, the fact is that he DID NOT give an official statement, and DID NOT put his name down on anything. also, SoL came to us and said there was a miscommunication, and everyone was fine with it, but we say that this is a miscommunication, and every Spartan goes ape!@#$? I laugh at your hypocrisy.

[quote name='Joe Izuzu' date='11 February 2010 - 08:18 PM' timestamp='1265948297' post='2176493'] There is a quote from Legion's emperor stating emphatically that no peace agreement was ever signed and that it was still in discussion. This is clearly a case of Sparta falling all over its feet in order to post a peace agreement that never existed. Typical Spartan fail. [/quote] THANK YOU. and just to clarify. I'm the former Inspector General of the Legion, which means I'm the Legion Charter expert. So don't any of you Spartans try to talk to US about OUR charter.

[quote name='Il Impero Romano' date='11 February 2010 - 08:13 PM' timestamp='1265948004' post='2176474'] The fact remains your leader signed an agreement, and a veto of that signature does not apply to a war time surrender situation. This is something you cannot veto, you cannot take back. Once he definitively agrees, which he did, and puts his name on it, you have absolutely zero second chances to say "well gee wiz actually nm we did a veto and are back at war now". I suggest a future charter amendment to ensure this does not happen again. Now however you have two choices. Declare war offensively and break your surrender terms, and get everything that will be brought down upon you because of that, or adhere to them and take up this situation internally with your leader. [/quote] HE. DIDN'T. PUT. HIS. NAME. ON. IT. and therefore, we CAN veto.

It has nothing to do our government, our government is working fine along the guidelines of our charter. The fact remains that the Imperator's decisions can be vetoed with a 3/4 vote of the consulate, and that no final surrender statement with sig was given to your side. So it's not our fault that you guys jumped the gun, don't try to pin this mistake on us.

[quote name='Il Impero Romano' date='11 February 2010 - 07:47 PM' timestamp='1265946443' post='2176353'] Different set of terms. Different offer. Different acceptance. [/quote] well, apparently according to those logs, "asgaard is out". so should we take that as a sign of surrender too? Cuz that's how we interpret it, much like you interpreted the logs with Hubb.

[quote name='lonewolfe2015' date='11 February 2010 - 07:39 PM' timestamp='1265945955' post='2176313'] Look, I can dump logs too. As per Legion's leader, peace has been agreed upon between all alliances. This is no joke, and we will begin closing out this conflict. Thank you for the good fight Legion, I commend you. [/quote] then wtf is this all about? Care to explain? [quote][09:27am] LordFingolfin: I couldn't accept the terms in good conscience [09:27am] LordFingolfin: As made expressly clear by Tulak, parties engaging us would have been completely clear to redeploy onto TOOL [09:28am] Lonewolfe2015: Well [09:28am] Lonewolfe2015: I can tell you many wouldn't [09:28am] Lonewolfe2015: AzN came for us [09:28am] LordFingolfin: You break TOOL, Sparta moves onto the next alliance, the alliances hitting that alliance are now free to dogpile another [09:28am] Lonewolfe2015: Asgaard is out now, we've taken too much damage [09:28am] Lonewolfe2015: TTK is done[/quote]

o/ Legion o/ SoL Well fought, Northern Empire, and also... Mah siggy shoulda been on that!

[quote name='Aeternos Astramora' date='10 February 2010 - 01:15 AM' timestamp='1265793337' post='2172359'] Isn't declaring upward a bad thing? I mean, it makes you look tough, but it's still bad strategy. [/quote] The Legion declared upward, and we're doing well. Also: http://www.cybernations.net/stats_alliance_stats_custom.asp?Alliance=The+Legion&input1=legion+POW

O/ MASH

[quote name='Seth Muscarella' date='04 February 2010 - 09:36 PM' timestamp='1265348202' post='2160555'] tl;dr Asgaard and TTK are legion needs to earn capital letters :-D [/quote] what... does making you guys lose 1.2mill NS in 3 days not earn us a capital L?

ave... What was the name of our alliance again? oh yeah AVE LEEJUN!

o/ IRON o/ Legion Ave IRON LEGION!

o/ to all!!

hai opponent! Good luck to the remaining combatants and AVE LEGIO!

You do realize... that an alliance... IS a system?

Lol RoK, anarchied 1 of your nations with 1 ground attack... Can't really blame that on update blitz...