Mjolnir

Also looking for long term tech details. PM me if interested/with offers: http://www.cybernations.net/nation_drill_d...?Nation_ID=7361 Money is ready to go.

I, AllYourBase of Das Vierte Reich, surrender to karma forces.

To be honest, TOP did a great job filling up our slots. Before TOP, we had MA, GOD, TDE, RIA, ROK, and TTK all on Echelon and a good few of us were taking minor damage....

Oh that was it, oh.

So, cello when are you attacking?

Point 1: I missed the Echelon declaration of neutrality. Hell, I missed the convo when it was even being debated. Mind linking me to any shred of proof of what you just said? Point 2: The reason why 45% of Echelon nations are in peace is the same reason why any other alliance declares war and then jumps into peace - tactics. Don't worry, those 45% of Echelon nations will come out soon enough. Point 3: You insult Echelon's loyalty to her allies hinting that you wanted the complete opposite - war, patriotism, and to protect Echelon's allies, which is exactly why you attacked Echelon's allies: http://www.cybernations.net/search_wars.as...&Extended=1 Whatever the case, you should not, I repeat, not bail on Echelon in times of war or when you are put on alert which is EXACTLY what you did. Did I miss anything?

Your understanding of mutualism (aka friendship) is a parasitic interaction, one where one alliance feeds off another and aims to further themselves through the harm of others just because they have something in "common." Use people for their protection and then talk smack about them behind their backs? You're surprised we cut you loose? I'm surprised we tried to fix our relationship for so long while you kept insulting our ways, alliance, and membership. Believe me when I say you got off easy.

More like 3v1 which is sad, but hey, I'm not complaining, I love being the underdog in a fight, both when outnumbered and outgunned. It really becomes sad though when those 3 alliances fail to break your defenses and have to activate further Mutual Defense Pacts for help especially when they are attacking =/

lol @ people not knowing that defenders always do more damage then attackers. I'm at war against 3 other people, doing 3 times as much damage to them as a whole then they are to me. Sure I'll take more damage then any one of them however, they'll end up eating more nukes and lose more NS Not to mention what dilber said earlier - people with higher infra lose much more money rebuilding then people with lower infra. Plus WRC with higher tech = Usual "winner" of nuclear wars in the sense that they take less NS loss in nuke damage taken.

Great War = Cyberverse equivalent for RL World War, not a war with LUE vs NPO. This isn't going to stop at 10,000 wars. Remember, the war started 21st. Most people jumped into peace that day. There's still thousands of people in peace that are probably going to jump out today or tomorrow. THAT'S when the war gets BIG. I wouldn't be surprised if the war hit 15,000 wars as there's also quite a few more alliances waiting on their MDPs to expire. This war _IS_ the successor to GW3. UJW was simply too small to be considered as a GW with NPO's side more then doubling GOONS' side. War of the Coalition was more then triple BLEU's side. This time the sides are somewhat even with a big "what happens at the end?"

http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=54956 It's not just one guy either. It's several guys, all in all just shy of 10 deserters. That accounts for well over 250,000 NS. I'd say we lost 300,000 NS from our non wartime standings. That's non wartime standings not counting all the nations in peace mode without an army.

That's not a reason to lack a MP, WRC, SDI or even a warchest.... =/

Boy, those are really going to get her ahead in life.

One rises to meet a challenge.

Hi baby. How you been? Kids doing aight? Topic: Great balls of fire indeed.

It's called nukes buddy. Try getting within range.

Considering how half of those wars are offensive, I'd say everything be aight.

If you really wanted to help MA, you should have helped them attack Echelon. 3 days of war and only 60 declarations. Help them fill up our slots please.

I know right. For the Karma side that seems to be doing so well, they can't even fill up your slots. I mean, Echelon has more guys on offense then defense. So much for coordination, huh?

I love nukes especially WRC nukes. They are the best.

Of course the all time treaty cancellation record isn't held by you, you weren't around as half as long as NPO. But I'm more then positive you set the record for most backstabs in a second. Go ahead, try to prove me wrong and find someone else with 7 or more treaty cancellations in one second. But I forgot, you want nothing to do with this, you aren't even princeps - enough though your name was found right next to it, on top of all these treaty cancellations, strange huh? Oh and I'll never forget this quote: "Let it be known, that we still consider these fine alliances friends. Our internal restructuring was needing a clear vision. As long as I remain Princeps, LOSS will do no harm to any of these alliances" - Jaaku. You know, because this man has never lied to us before.

Oh, so a re-roll only knows the history of the alliances he's been with. The rest are a mist, just like the rest of my argument. Oh, okay.

You aren't a reroll. A reroll would at least have the decency to admit the nice things we've done for your alliance and then go out on a limb and argue everything our ally has done to hurt them thereby providing us with a shred of evidence as to why you've destroyed everything your FA has worked to achieve for the past half a year. Either that or you've really been a proud wolf-in-sheep's clothing - something no alliance, regardless of the sides, will forget. Nevertheless, the fact of the matter remains - you can act whichever way you feel is better for both the morale of your troops, your conscious, and your pride. Betraying five friends in order to get back at one. That is the creed of the LoSS. The LoSSt and the damned.

That's it exactly. You didn't know. You weren't playing the game back then. You barely have less then a year to your name and you didn't realize the lengths we when to bait you guys out and by the excuses you are throwing at us, you still don't. Sounds like the only manipulative entity here is you. Don't even tell me about this insignificant made up fable about how you "came" to your senses. It happened a a few days before the war broke out. You've had months to reevaluate your relationship with the alliances around you but you chose that the best time to do it was the time the bandwagon rolled up to your doorstep. And he still isn't, oh wait.

Perfect. Right around the time that we told all of our close MDP partners we were going to enact our MDPs. That was told to you on the 19th, well within the 72-hour period. Oh wait, didn't you get the memo from Jaaku? Here's a part of the convo I had with him not too long ago: What is that, the second lie within a 72 hour period? But it's okay, because after all, you wish the best to all your former MDP partners (from your other topic): "Let it be known, that we still consider these fine alliances friends. Our internal restructuring was needing a clear vision. As long as I remain Princeps, LOSS will do no harm to any of these alliances" - Jaaku ........and then you attack their friends. Great.