Felix von Agnu

[quote name='JustIncredible' timestamp='1302041449' post='2684998'] Oh, [s]Schattenman[/s] Crymson. You know as well as the rest of us that you [s]take[/s] suck like a leech whichever side [s]will gain you the most attention and notoriety.[/s] is in power and will enable you to cling to your pixels. [/quote] I'd rather see people switch sides and change things up, as opposed to just staying the the same spot in the treaty web. It makes wars and politics much more exciting to watch.

[quote name='Joe Izuzu' timestamp='1302027951' post='2684822'] Of course that is the real reason. Nobody except DH is arguing to the contrary. [/quote] I've noticed something interesting in my time here. Most of the time, the truth of any matter is obscured by those who shout the loudest. I've seen things posted up that I know are truth, to only be disregarded for something that was a lie. Not saying anything in particular about either side, as I don't particularly feel like taking a side in this debate.

[quote name='ChairmanHal' timestamp='1301578168' post='2681391'] Trying to justify the unjustifiable, giving advice to other alliances to bail on friends so that the beating down of those friends can continue at a faster pace, ITT. Besides, let's be honest...you won't let them have a "future potential" if they grow too fast, are perceived as a threat because they are on "the other side", or hell if its Tuesday and last weekend sucked. If they are making you uncomfortable and slowing you down from achieving your objective, maybe that's good enough for them. After all, what do they have to look forward to after this? A year of rebuilding and being under terms? Might as well get in a couple more eye gouges and maybe a good swift kick in the crotch on you and make it worth it. Don't get me wrong, this war has gone on too long already, which is why people are walking around these forums with a chronic case of rectal ache and have been for weeks. To hold yourself (meaning your "side") blameless for this war lasting much longer than it should have however is to lie to yourself. [/quote] Whoa there pal. I never said that NADC bail on friends. I think the fact they went in despite w/e odds there were is admirable. Staying in and having you alliance leveled because that's all you can muster is silly. I said they put themselves in a position to help them when they get out. Besides, if you want to talk about bailing on allies, look no further than your own alliance. I see Molon Labe out there, but not you guys. To be honest, I would rather have them grow and be a decent opponent. Close wars are much more exciting than curbstomps anyways. If VE or an immediate ally attacked NADC with no real reason (preemptive strikes in a war that has already started excluded), I would not support that war one bit. And on the topic of reps, most reps that have come from this war haven't been year long terms (for any quarter decent alliance with one person with planning abilities). EDIT: [quote name='Haflinger' timestamp='1301578757' post='2681394'] Considering the peace offers that are currently on the table, burning every nation in your alliance to the ground is pretty much par for the course. [/quote] In the case of NADC, they had two opportunities for white peace. They chose to continue fighting.

[quote name='LittleRena' timestamp='1301575691' post='2681370'] Guessing that they want their allies out at the sametime and that's why they are staying in for so long, the more people in the war, the more spread the damage right? Even if VE or FOK could handle NADC by themselves, it means that one of those alliances would be distracted from hitting the other alliances to a degree. And they wouldn't be able to rebuild too well if they had reps to pay. [/quote] They had a chance for white peace. If they have reps they only have themselves to be angry at. As far as stopping us from hitting another alliance. I think any other alliance is beaten down/in peacemode. I guess if NADC wants to be a punching bag for other alliances, that's their prerogative. I just think they would be better allies if they got out when they could have, and then helped their allies rebuild/pay any reps they had. At the point where they are only absorbing damage, they hurt not only themselves but their future potential to help allies in a more significant way.

[quote name='LittleRena' timestamp='1301574711' post='2681364'] Aren't they outnumbered? I mean really, fighting back isn't going to do a whole lot of damage when spread across numerous opponents, taking hits means that opponents are spreading attacks so less damage is done to their allies, I would imagin that to be the idea but I'm just guessing. Eitherway, being outnumbered means they are going to take bigger losses. [/quote] At this point, I would think FOK or VE could handle NADC by themselves. Considering this, how are they doing their allies any good? They might as well get out, start rebuilding, and help out their allies rebuild when they get out. I don't understand how burning every nation in your alliance to the ground is seen as the only way to support your allies in a war.

[quote name='Kajdav' timestamp='1301524615' post='2680928'] This, sir, is my point. According to Mr. Romano, numerical output is required in order to be considered 'still fighting'. Our losses are irrelevant. [/quote] How is sitting there losing NS considered fighting? How are you helping your allies at all at this point? [quote name='Timberland' timestamp='1301568256' post='2681321'] The 35 nations you've lost are irrelevant ? [/quote] The nations they have left are pretty much irrelevant too.

[quote name='Wu Tang Clan' timestamp='1301424982' post='2680048'] The way I took it, and most other people above me, was as a joke. One that was hardly insulting... Meanwhile, your statement was just rude; and little more than a pot shot at events that happened far in the past. [/quote] Yeah, my bad. To be honest, I thought it was some really stupid (no offense to poster now that I know it was a joke) person trying to jump on the "VE is...<insert negative thing here>" bandwagon. Coffee, then posting from now on.

[quote name='Wu Tang Clan' timestamp='1301419146' post='2680006'] That almost made sense. And was almost relevant. Almost... almost. [/quote] If only I had meant it as a way of highlighting the absurdity of his statement....

[quote name='Olliee' timestamp='1301412634' post='2679957'] To be honest, who can trust an alliance that doesn't even realise that a 'Duke' is several orders higher than a 'Lord'! [/quote] To be honest, who can trust an alliance so terrible that almost all of its gov leaves to form another alliance?

[quote name='shaneprice' timestamp='1301291656' post='2678894'] So nice to see that the Viridian Entente is now becoming the Iran and/or Libya of Planet Bob. [/quote] What is this 'Leebya?' My scholars are unable to find anything on the subject.

[quote name='Kajdav' timestamp='1301124628' post='2677008'] I honestly don't think you'll ever see the day when we can no longer fight. We will fight until we choose to stop fighting. [/quote] You can technically fight, but you are rapidly approaching the point where you aren't fighting; just taking bullets for an already bullet riddled corpse.

[quote name='mhawk' timestamp='1301080963' post='2676226'] Would that white peace include 30k or something like that in tech deals? [/quote] Even if it does, I fail to see how being forced to engage in deals that would help rebuild their nations any sort of bad term.

[quote name='Crymson' timestamp='1301070923' post='2676103'] white peace with a no reentry clause [/quote] You monsters.

[quote name='Drai' timestamp='1301066047' post='2676055'] So maybe when you come to an alliance for peace twice, and then decline white peace both times, you should actually think about what you're doing. Enjoy this NADC, you deserve it. [/quote] How the hell does that even go? NADC: "Hey were looking for peace, what kind of terms are you thinking of?" DoomHouse: "White Peace." NADC: "BOLLOCKS!" Storms out. Seriously, that has to be the dumbest thing I've heard in quite some time. [quote name='D34th' timestamp='1301068369' post='2676077'] I love all the whining about how NADC didn't accept white peace, TWICE! [/quote] It's not whining so much as trying to make sense of the all dumb.

I like how this whole thing requires NPO to trust alliances that hit them out of the blue. In their shoes, I can't say I'd jump at those terms. I'd half expect to get screwed over.

[quote name='Omniscient1' timestamp='1300075026' post='2664093'] So are you advocating your own alliance's punishment? [/quote] It's sad that redemption can only be found through punishment and not atonement.

[quote name='Bergerland' timestamp='1298524660' post='2643557'] Our average nation has 2600 infra. Our median infra level is 1433. Both are more than your already stated average and median infra level of 819. Also, your top 13 nations sitting in peacemode currently have ~26% of your total infra and that doesn't include other nations with a sizeable infra level also sitting in peace. Take those 13 nations out and your average infra level drops by 400. Note that this isn't a peacemode joke(You guys have actually been cycling your nations out unlike other fronts), but simply stating that a good deal of your infra in untouchable at the current moment. [/quote] No matter how much infra we destroy, it comes right back (to roughly 1000)! ಠ_ಠ

Happy birthday to all my friends at TFD!

[quote name='Schattenmann' timestamp='1297788394' post='2634478']sniiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiip [/quote] Sweet zombie Jesus on a pogo stick... I agree with Schatt on something.

Good luck to all the members. Can't say I'm too sad to see this though.

[quote name='DarkEra97' timestamp='1297652440' post='2632047'] White peace indicates no terms. Last I checked, your alliance not being allowed to re-enter is a term. [/quote] The term only help TGE though. It saves them from future embarrassment!

[quote name='Auctor' timestamp='1297359679' post='2628075'] I can be dense too. [/quote] I've noticed.

[quote name='Auctor' timestamp='1297358898' post='2628062'] history is written by the winners. [/quote] All CD has to do then is win.

[quote name='Auctor' timestamp='1297358142' post='2628051'] I believe they call that the "PC manuver". [/quote] I believe that maneuver was widely applauded at the time too.

CD should just defend allies anyways. People break treaties to stay out of wars, why not break one to join back in?