Bobogoobo

I suppose this topic can also be a good place to announce changes to templates that might of interest to the larger community. A parameter called "docname" has been added to the alliance infobox template which allows you to include a link to your alliance's charter at the bottom of the infobox. To use it, put in the template, for example: [code]|docname = Charter of the New Pacific Order[/code] to customize what is displayed for the link: [code]|docname = Charter of the New Pacific Order{{!}}NPO Charter[/code] Ideally you can place it in the code just below the forum and irc url parameters.

Okay... For many of these comments I can't be sure whether they're referring to the current admin/bureaucrat team or older ones, because the set of active people changes pretty often and the only older team member I'm really familiar with is MvP, and Lol pie to a degree. xoin: most of the biggest new features are optional and we've been keeping them off. The new editor (not to mention Oasis) and such are annoying, but it's not too hard to make a few workarounds and get used to it. It still works well as a wiki. Also, my custom CSS that I've done to fix some of the changes they've made and make it more like Monaco used to be can be found [url=http://cybernations.wikia.com/wiki/CN:CSS]here[/url]. A lot of it is personal preference (I do all my code manually, no visual editor or any of that) but some of it might be helpful. Especially extending the page width, since with the sidebar the content space is tiny. Scorp: I'm not sure what you mean :S Hereno: from the edit Rogal linked, it looks like Locke left the external link but also left the charter text there because the link requires a login. Things need to be visible without logging in if you're going to link straight to them from the wiki. Which war are you talking about? It's tough to name wars because everyone wants a different name. If there's a consensus on the war's talk page, generally that's what we go with. For many recent ones, it's just been left as ABC-XYZ War and alliances are free to refer to it however they wish on their pages. And I'd rather not rekindle all these arguments, but we do have proof. xoin again: it wouldn't be fair to RPers to subjugate them. The wiki belongs as much to them as it does to alliance and nation pages, and everyone has the right to enjoy what they like doing there. In most cases there's a disambiguation (like if a nation and alliance share the same name), but in this case I don't actually see anything like that. Icewolf: indeed it would, but some prefer to leave it on their pages, and either way works pretty well. Generally charters go below everything else if the full text is on the main alliance page, so the other things retain focus. Custodian: hopefully Rogal's post answers your question. An alternate way to reach the same point is to use the create nation box on the main page of the wiki. True, most people don't get really deep into what mediawiki can do. So for improvements I mainly was talking about ways to improve consistency and help people find what they're looking for as efficiently as possibly. This can include how templates are displayed and formatted, how other parts of the interface are done, etc. As an example, a couple days ago I made a new template to standardize the display of all the templates that list the alliances for each team. That kind of thing makes the code neater and easier to use and update, makes things look nice because they're all displayed the same way, and such. RandomInterrupt: yes, unfortunately that can be a problem. The other side of it is that it's often hard to represent both viewpoints neutrally, and people trying to remove bias can just shift it to the other side and get the edit reverted. It would be great if all pages were written without bias (especially since that's part of the style guidelines). potato: currently, it's pretty hard to get banned just for not following a few policies. It's when people start edit wars, argue with admins trying to get them to stop being aggressive about it, and essentially vandalize pages just to get it their way, when things go badly. Generally we don't change the content of articles unless they contain clearly biased or non-factual statements; we mainly format it to look nice on the wiki and mark it if it has some policy issues. I apologize if sometimes I or we are too strict about anything, but it can sometimes be hard to tell the difference between vandals and people who just aren't familiar with the standards and guidelines, and we do our best to keep the wiki of high quality. Sandwich Controversy: removing admins and bureaucrats would remove the abilities to block accounts, to delete pages, and to edit pages that are protected because of high usage rates. All of these are important things to have someone able to do in order to keep the wiki as clean, factual, and organized as possible. Plus, if people know that there's no one to stop them, there would definitely be even more vandalism. Sigrun Vapneir: we're not trying to be unfriendly, but we have to be somewhat strict in enforcing the rules so that the wiki doesn't devolve into chaos. If you have questions on any policy please feel free to ask an admin about it, that way you can get it cleared up and we can also try to word it more specifically on the policy pages. If you honestly spend time working on something and put it in a reasonable format, it's very unlikely to be reverted. I'm sorry you feel you can't trust the information there, but that kind of comes along with the concept of a community-run reference. There are many pages that are written well, so not all of them are bad. And even if there is some bias you can usually find some good information in there. Neo Uruk: give me a link to his user page and/or what happened and I will take a look. As Rogal said, people have been kind of putting whatever they want for their war results, so it can be hard to tell what really happened. I'm not a historian and I don't really get into inter-alliance politics so I can't really improve that beyond asking people to try to avoid bias. And Rogal, you had a different thing because you were looking at All Alliances and the individual stats pages are updated more often, remember? But yeah, that whole situation was kind of chaotic, it's pointless to keep editing every hour when they switch position, so I thought it was best to wait a day or two until there was a clearer margin. And yeah, the only bans I've done in a while are spambots and the usual one-day ban for first-time blatant vandalism. And sometimes I don't even do that if I'm not really sure what an edit was trying to accomplish, even if it could look like vandalism. Yeah, having a standard definition on all these things helps, but the standard can also change and then there are complaints again. It's just difficult to keep things organized with so much going on all the time. Hopefully this answers some questions...

[quote name='Rudolph' timestamp='1337911736' post='2971831'] I'll sort of echo this man's words and here's my question. Would it be possible to move away from Wikia or no? [/quote] I'm pretty sure it's possible, but none of the options are quite as good or they have other limitations (or cost money). Wikia is good enough for most things and fairly reliable.

Hello CN Community, I'm Bobogoobo, a bureaucrat and long-time contributor on the Cyber Nations Wiki. I don't think anything like this has been done before, so I wanted to create a place where those who would prefer to give feedback somewhere other than on the wiki can do so. Any ideas for ways to improve the wiki, particularly ease of use, navigation, and editing, or anything else, are valuable to have from those who may not be the most active contributors to the wiki to get a different perspective and to hear from the demographic which is meant to benefit most from the wiki. Feel free to ask any questions you may have as well, or whatever else you want to say. Cyber Nations Wiki: [url=http://cybernations.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page]Link[/url] IRC channel: #cn-wiki on Coldfront ( irc://irc.coldfront.net/cn-wiki ) Thanks.

CN is merging into The International? I must have missed the memo...

I haven't followed this topic actively for a while, but it looks like you've been misspelling "existence" in the alliance politics review for a while. I'd be surprised if it hasn't been pointed out yet, though.

[quote name='Tarkin' timestamp='1324106735' post='2880411'] From the Wiki Current: Global Radiation: 5.00 (74.04) New Record! Now let's get it to 80. [/quote] Or even better, to 300 Also, TIO for sanction race 2012

That's a contender for best TIO flag variation, I think. If the image quality were better. Congrats o/

o/ Good luck to my friends in TNG.

[quote name='Gopherbashi' timestamp='1316919046' post='2807890'] Well http://cybernations.wikia.com/wiki/TPC says pink. [/quote] Sorry for the misinformation (I fixed it now), but you really shouldn't trust disambiguation pages as much as the actual ones .

Well, I suppose that helps, although there's no save link for messages in the Outbox. But then how is the age determined? Because I can say with 100% certainty that six-day-old messages are being deleted from my outbox. Sorry to be a bother...just want to figure this out.

And today it did not delete six-day-old messages, and I still have one from the 21st. I think I broke it Is there anyone I could ask directly about how outbox autodeletion works, or something?

I doubt that is the cause, because a lot of the messages are to inactive nations. And it's not that just random messages from a day are gone, the entire day is gone. This seems to have happened again today; I am sure that I sent several messages (at least 20) on the 19th, yet none of them are in my outbox, and it has only been six days. I haven't noticed anything strange in my inbox, but I don't usually check those messages more than once. And I have about 20 messages in my inbox, and over 400 in my outbox. Edit: happened again today. Some of the messages from the 20th were still there this morning, but now the oldest message is from the 21st. I'm beginning to think the size of the outbox may play a part in this.

Today, and at least once before, messages in my Outbox have been deleted after six days rather than the usual seven. Is there some secondary determinant of when they are deleted, or anything like that of which I'm not aware? It's kind of annoying because the early deletion seems to be random and I'd like to keep a constant schedule on when to re-send a deleted message, etc.

It's a shame themed alliances like this don't usually get very big. I don't know you guys but Kingdom Hearts is awesome. Good luck wherever you go.

Hooray! \o/

Cuuursee yooouuuu aaadmiiiin!! *shakes fists*

Is there a hidden fourth decimal place in infra (for example) amounts? Twice now I have had problems. The first time, I had exactly 1000.000 infra and could not buy nukes, so I had to buy up to 1000.001 to buy nukes. Now, I have exactly 9000.000 infra, but I cannot buy another Cruiser and Submarine that I should be able to buy. I have five Drydocks and Shipyards, but can only buy seven Cruisers (another one should be available every 3000 infra) and six Submarines (4500 infra). The only two causes of this that I can think of are either the game doesn't count it as the required amount until it is over that amount (even though the information index says, for example, "1000 or greater"), or there is a further fourth digit (the third is only visible in the comparison charts when viewing another nation's charts page) in the amounts that is being rounded up. I don't like not knowing exactly how much I have . Thanks for any help.

This is awesome. Congrats guys.

Just a voice from the otherworld. Congrats all.

o/ everyone, 'twas a good fight.

[quote name='Schattenmann' timestamp='1295769436' post='2593564'] The Wiki admins decide what to call the wars, anyway. [/quote] No, we call it what the majority of the community decides to call it.

People here are so nice. I voted yes. Congrats!

This thread is lulz, although I don't usually read any topics on here so it's probably the norm. NPO

People voted for AcTi? Well I voted for TIO, but obviously I'm biased