Pyroman

Heggo: On the job only a few hours and already busting balls. Good luck IRON.

Honestly, I thought Heft was more the man for the job, but I love me some Heggo, so I'm satisfied with the decision either way. This is a sad day for me though Linty, I've liked you from day one man. Best of luck to you and to the NSO.

Why didn't you guys tell me? I would have gone out and gotten something. Happy birthday guys!

[quote name='WarriorConcept' timestamp='1282628791' post='2428984'] Darn the plan to crush CD has failed. [/quote] And it will, time and time again. On topic, I'm glad to see that the NSO was TOLD to say those things. Makes it seem like they were willing participants in the end of this pissy war. I wonder what it would be like if for once the actual instigators apologized for starting a war. Wouldn't that be something?

The joke is on you SF. CD and her allies were going to declare tomorrow. Oh well, better luck provoking us next time.

[quote name='Merrie Melodies' timestamp='1282018620' post='2418717'] If STA really had nads and were so upset about this they would man up and attack rather than bluster about. [/quote] What kind of rash decision makers do you take the STA for? Besides, this is anything but blustering about.

I doubt it would become precedent. Few alliances are despicable enough to do the same.

[quote name='KingEd' timestamp='1281498523' post='2410670'] I hereby support this thread and pledge full support to this little dude. He has the balls to do what NSO's allies WONT. o/ LMAO, NSO Allies = Pathetic [/quote] You're right, we're pathetic. But I'll remind you that nobody can bail on an alliance quite as gracefully as your good friends in the ODN. I honestly hate to go that low, but you're begging for it.

[quote name='wickedj' timestamp='1281500091' post='2410735'] You know you could use the Moldavi Doctrine to defend them [/quote] I could. So could you. I know how you hate \m/. Also, we'd just look silly attacking over a joke DoW by using the Moldavi doctrine...

This DoW was a good read. I'm glad this happened. Go get em my little ZI'd warrior friend.

I am amused. I wish PPF had an equally small ally to declare on you.

[quote name='Van Hoo III' timestamp='1281419144' post='2409217'] We had to ask for help due to our target going into peace mode. It wasn't our initial plan and we didn't want it to be 3, 4, 5 on one. When you tell your alliance to "be on at update" for a possible war, it is sort of hard to suddenly mobilize six hours early. We took whoever we had online with active nations, and that happened to be GOD and VE. Also, my targets are turtling. Curse you, Krunk! [/quote] Then I clearly stand corrected. So when are you going to call off the lackeys with a cool "we can take this from here guys"? Krunk is an expert at annoying people. I know it first hand. [quote name='Thunder Strike' timestamp='1281419273' post='2409220'] NSO's logic confuses me. When told aiding a rogue will be considered an act of war you aid the rogue and call it a 'compromise'. Then when after committing this act you believe war isn't going to happen. Also, reconciling should come before the act of war, not after. [/quote] Its been proven that I was wrong in my statement. As for the "compromise", I suppose they felt that because sedrick was being attacked unjustifiably they would aid him to even things out a little. Its not exactly what I would call a "compromise" myself, but perhaps heft couldn't think of a better word. [quote name='Earogema' timestamp='1281419420' post='2409226'] I will concede that Rok can at this point fight the war on their own easily, and I will also concede that you have the right to stay out both on the grounds that you are a sovereign alliance and that your ally even told you to stay out. [/quote] Thank you. And as per vanhoo's post above, you were definitely right, and I'm sorry I thought less of you for trying to prove me wrong.

[quote name='Earogema' timestamp='1281418779' post='2409211'] First off, I never suggested they were peace mode warriors. I was a longtime ally of FAN by treaty myself. Peace mode is a tool of war. I support its use simply to mock attackers. I also realize that if you are the attacker, you have to act before they utilize this ridiculously powerful force field. Secondly, are you certain that Hoo didn't ask his allies for help? I highly doubt you are. Certainly I can understand why you would want a 1v1 Rok-NSO war. I want that myself. However, Rok needed to fill slots and the only way of effectively doing at that time was via calling in allies. I mean, I don't get how you can argue you are being more strategic by staying out of a war to help an ally rebuild because they want to, and then argue that it is foolish for an alliance to call in allies to minimize damage taken/maximize the damage dealt. [/quote] Alright, I concede that you're probably right about SF's strategy. However, at this point, now that RoK clearly has the time to fill slots on their own, would it not make sense for the rest of SF to back down shortly after? I mean, we're talking about a group of alliances that prides itself on being "better than the hegemony" and favors white peace. Also, NSO's allies can think for themselves. Of this, I assure you. If NSO says we should stay out, then we should stay out. And this doesn't even have anything to do with any crackpot "get da NPO" conspiracy theories. This is simply because the NSO feels this war is unjustified and that they'd be doing further injustice to drag us all into this. Its not even so that the rest of us can avoid a curb stomp, because the NSO has confided in us that they think this whole thing won't last very long. Not a single one of us is dumb enough to escalate a war that could end within a week otherwise. [quote name='Aurion' timestamp='1281418928' post='2409214'] [i]Impressive, now release your anger! You must have sensed that your friends are in danger!~[/i] [/quote] You're cute, can I keep you?

[quote name='Van Hoo III' timestamp='1281418721' post='2409209'] Sorry old friend, the NSO has already admitted to sending their nations into peace mode. Going from five to thirty in an hour or two also usually tips off your attacker. And no, I don't see it as an act of cowardice. It is a universally accepted defensive tactic. [/quote] But you're not going to say that my assessment of your own strategy is completely wrong? I mean, I could have sworn that it came up in our conversation yesterday that you never asked for help, but I checked the logs and saw that I misinterpreted something you said. Also, damn you for speaking up, I thought you would be off in NSO-land with an assault rifle in each hand screaming towards the heavens "tonight we dine in hell". What kind of a wartime leader are you?

[quote name='Earogema' timestamp='1281417174' post='2409147'] I don't see how. OOC: It was Sunday in the middle of the day. There are a lot less people on at that time. I also don't see how you could say it has NOTHING to do with being a day time blitz on a Sunday, when in fact, that probably was a huge thing to do with it. And obviously it does matter how many people are on at that time because just 20 or so in a private IRC room is not going to be enough for 2 alliances to effectively blitz with. In fact, most alliances don't blitz in the day simply because there are going to be less people on. I personally would think it would be a NIGHTMARE to have to coordinate people on a Sunday in the middle of the day. Seriously, if you thought about it for just a second you could understand that. [/quote] I have thought about it for more than a second. Don't belittle me simply because you think you know everything. Had Rok waited to do a proper update blitz, the results would have been the same, only 1v1. The NSO wasn't scrambling to get into peace mode. In fact, up until Hoo made his post, we weren't sure war was going to happen. This is something that would have been obvious to anyone with half a brain as the NSO was still making attempts to reconcile the situation with RoK all the way up to that post. Hoo made a rash decision to go to war, and his friends just came along for the blood. He didn't need them, he doesn't need them, and if anything all they're doing is delaying this (I'm looking you GOD, I figure you guys are behind any abruptly ended peace talks). Also, are you trying to insinuate that the NSO is a bunch of peace mode warriors. They're not afraid to take on a bigger alliance, regardless of the odds stacked against them. I know their leadership well enough to know that they weren't even considering backing down, and that they still aren't. They're trying to find a fair way to resolve this, and as soon as that happens, all their friends will be there with them patting them on the back for a job well done.

[quote name='Earogema' timestamp='1281416235' post='2409112'] You're kidding right? So even though around 37 NSO nations slipped into peace mode, and even though these alliances are DIRECTLY tied, with a war declaration that wasn't at update meaning lesser nations would be on, somehow, someway, this is "hey we wanna do this too" even though Rok is probably one of the only alliances to actually fight a 1v1 war (Rok v. Bushido). I really hope you are joking. [/quote] Yes. Yes it was definitely a "hey we wanna do this too" thing. Clearly the point that they ever fought a 1v1 war is moot, seeing as they're now fighting a 5v1 war. Considering how incredibly petty this war is, and how incredibly blood thirsty the likes of VE and GOD are, I would say that this overkill has nothing to do with it being a daytime blitz. This is also because regardless of how many people were actually on at that time of day, it would only take two of those alliances to make sure nobody else could get into hippie mode.

[quote name='Earogema' timestamp='1281415093' post='2409079'] And I don't see your point. Your argument is your ally tells you to do something that is unpopular but you do it anyway. Okay. So they do the same. It's the same damn thing. And I mean, this was CSN and USN here. They knew the alternatives. IAA had Starfox in milcom, so they were screwed. [/quote] No, its not the same damn thing. NSO asked us politely not to join in, said there were better uses for us than getting !@#$ on side-by-side. SF said "hey we wanna do this too". I sincerely doubt RoK is humble enough to think they would need support, let alone from 4 other alliances. I don't want to start other stuff here, but I can almost guarantee that USN put no thought whatsoever into it. Dunno about CSN. In any case, we're getting off topic here.

[quote name='Earogema' timestamp='1281414349' post='2409049'] Well then, Rok's allies will respect their wishes and will optionally attack NSO. We can both do this you know. EDIT: And I'm saying people came in for GATO. FOR GATO. I mean, come on. [/quote] I don't see your point. RoK's allies can respect RoK's wishes all they like, but it doesn't change the fact that they come off as sophomoric lackeys. Just as well, GATO and Co. don't set precedent. NSO told us to not get involved, and we will help them in whatever other way possible. Perhaps GATO's friends should have considered their obvious alternatives.

[quote name='Ashoka the Great' timestamp='1281394545' post='2408519'] At least Invicta has a (not very good) reason for not getting involved. Their treaty with the NSO allows them to opt-out. Pacifica's treaty with the NSO does not. Wiggle all you like. Should be easy without a spine. [/quote] The NSO is our friend. We hold, to a higher degree: their words, thoughts and feelings, more than impersonal electronic document. Please redirect your "spineless" comments towards the group of five alliances currently gang raping my allies.

[quote name='Earogema' timestamp='1281413979' post='2409040'] GATO did the same thing. IAA, CSN, and USN came in because they wanted to. [/quote] I wasn't saying other alliances haven't done the same. I was merely pointing out that the NSO is one of those alliances.

[quote name='the masheen' timestamp='1281413163' post='2409025'] Why does everyone get so upset about the disbandment? Obviously I don't think it's going to happen, I was just suggesting I wouldn't care if it did. The way you guys get all defensive about it, maybe YOU actually think it's plausable. You are confusing being nobel with being stupid. Keep sacrificing the general membership fighting this unwinnable war to prove some point that no one seems to care about. Good stuff. No one has the balls to take a curbstomping for no reason. [/quote] You clearly have no perspective. And for the record, there is an alliance that has the balls to take a curb stomping for no reason, and you're making their thread look all ugly.

[quote name='the masheen' timestamp='1281411800' post='2408994'] No one is butt hurt. For all I care, and from the lack of respect all of you show all of the time, I wouldn't mind if ROK forced disbandment. You guys are completely insane with your conspiracy theories. Your reasoning behind taking a merciless beating is based on some arrogant theory you have about NPO being drawn out. You don't want to be puppets, so you'd rather play ragdoll. Just don't call your members cowards when they start leaving because they're sick of being kicked around because NSO has too much pride to apologize. [/quote] My, aren't you so smart. The NSO isn't the type of alliance that's going to be pushed into an all out war just because a couple of bloc heads (see what I did there) are bored. Clearly nobody has a problem with this running its course except for the SF side of things, which only promotes conspiracy theories.

[quote name='Omniscient1' timestamp='1281334401' post='2406807'] When I have to come to an NSO gov member that is online and when asking about what happened I get the response "lol" that don't sit well with me. [/quote] Your reasons just changed then? I believe that's called back pedaling...

[quote name='Omniscient1' timestamp='1281333462' post='2406751'] Or that the people who told us they'd support us no matter what path we took: VE, ODN, Athens, and even our little protectorate ICAN told us important info we needed to know. While we were an after thought to NSO. [/quote] Are you kidding? How much did you expect them to cater to you? CD didn't know about this until about 25 minutes before RoK dow'd. Its not because CD was an after thought, its because there is a !@#$ ton of preparation that goes into a war you're only finding out about the day that its going to happen. And from what I can tell, thanks to RV, you guys knew well well before any of NSO's other allies. And not because your other allies told you, but because you were the FIRSTS to receive information from them. Did you even talk about this with them? Ask them what took so long, talked to your supposed allies about how you felt like you'd been ignored? Of course not, because it is all too clear that your true motive was avoiding war in this. PS: GATO asking anyone to do anything quickly is pure hypocrisy. You guys probably would have had to have an alliance-wide vote before giving NSO any important information.

[quote name='Omniscient1' timestamp='1281332777' post='2406715'] This was considered, but when I have three allies and people just hearing through the rumor mill what's going on telling me that NSO and RoK are going at it, before I heard anything from NSO it ticks me off. [/quote] So you're upset because a few gossiping allies were able to give you more information quicker? Sounds fishy, like some of this whole thing was thought out ahead of time.