Bob

Sal, you are my sunshine, my only sunshine. You make me happyyyyyyy..

As I have said, Hoo /always/ comes early

They existed. Also, the AA 02/21/2009 is protected by Nemesis, don't mess.

Oh hey, I forgot something. I'm on a boat

I was asked by Sandwich Controversy not to reply, there's other times and places for this discussion.

So if NPO said Vox wasn't on PZI anymore and could exist freely you would not be happy and thank them? I know this is a bit less than PZI release, but still. Its a nice thing to do that MK likes, and so they thank NPO for it. That's your prerogative isn't it? Most alliances like to exist I've found and get to experience various parts of the ingame experience rather than being stuck out of them, yourselves and FAN being the only exceptions. Thank you NPO for letting good friends of mine who were sucked into war because of my alliance off early on their nuclear terms. Oh wait, am I being too nice? And again, please point me to this love in treaty form before you call MK a bunch of bootlickers, because you will not see it. The alliances of NPO and MK respect each other for their ways, there's no hidden meaning behind this that you are trying to find that MK secretly is in love with NPO. I've been a member of MK and trust me, there's no mindless hail thread to anyone, let alone NPO. Since I've just realized I skipped your initial point, that is a part of the politics of the game. MK didn't win the war and so they were forced to pay reparations to NPO and had these terms on them, and now that they are off them they are back to where they were before. Its not unjust or anything like that, its just how games like this work and how this game has always worked. (OOC: its also how life works) I'm sorry, what? I'm ex-FAN, and FAN was not neutral towards them and aren't now. FAN's case is an exception because FAN plotted behind the backs of Pacifica to start our own thing similar to the Unjust Path and got destroyed for doing so, FAN weren't being friends to NPO. FAN deliberately tried to get power in the game by overthrowing Pacifica, and so they were crushed for it. You fight for different reasons than MK did. They fought for their allies, and once they were assured their allies were out of the conflict, sought peace. They didn't fight for their morals or because they wanted to change the world, but because their allies fought. A cute attempt to claim that I love NPO, when reality and my history show otherwise. I respect the NPO greatly, but I don't love them. There's a clear difference, I do consider some members of the NPO friends of mine, but at the same time I still don't support the majority of their ingame actions and the like. When your goal requires the destruction of Pacifica, you do wish the destruction of Pacifica but don't want to say as much, so you claim that you just want Pacifica to stop being what makes Pacifica powerful and what to stop would require the outright destruction or crippling of Pacifica. No, the only reason MK isn't LUE 2.0 is that they don't want to be LUE 2.0. My god, were you even around for what happened with LUE? Personally, I was. First Great War, LUE supported the terrible things done by Yari and were attacked for it. Where is the honor in that? Second Great War, LUE was supporting Fark, who was backed. Where is the honor in that? Third Great War, LUE supported their allies and violated a treaty they had signed. Still, not seeing all of this supposed honor you refer to. There's nothing courageous about LUE other than the idealized portrayal you seem to have of them. They were a good bunch of guys and I was friends with more than a few of them, but they were not courageous, they wanted to destroy NPO just like you do. Personally, I'm glad MK isn't LUE 2.0. Everything you want requires the destruction of the NPO, and so you want the destruction of the NPO. Can I have my dog biscuit?

Well done insulting MK in every way possible with your post. I don't see a valid point anywhere within it and only blind hatred for MK and NPO. First off, NPO granted them terms in the first place when MK didn't expect to receive terms when they entered the noCB war. Point for NPO in the view of MK, continued existence is always nice right? Second off, NPO released them from nuclear terms early. While this may seem like not such a big deal to you, MK loves their nukes. The post by Archon represents that quite well, and his happiness at being released early is in his post, not his great love for NPO that is obvious from the fact that MK and NPO have a MADP right no..oh wait. Third off, you seem to think that MK wanted to oppose the NPO and existed for the sole purpose of doing so. No, MK just supports their allies and that's why they ended up going against NPO, and also why they are one of my favorite alliances. MK realizes that hate for NPO will get them nowhere and they do their best to not have any members who may dislike NPO (as there are in every alliance members who don't like NPO) influence their policy. This is why they are a beloved alliance, not because they are the polar opposite to NPO like you seem to think they are. You want change? Good for you, get it yourself. MK isn't your lapdog or anyone's. Oh HEY let's try to call MK LUE 2.0 when there's only a few people who are exLUE in MK but eh we can still pretend there's a lot right and try to manipulate them into how we view. Grow up, the game isn't about the destruction of the NPO for all of us, and certainly not for MK. They are not your tool by which NPO will be destroyed.

Congrats MK, a well deserved release. Rack em up friends.

Don't touch TDSM8, that's just not cool. Good announcement from CnG to make sure they stay safe as they move on to their new homes

Bye TDSM8, sad to see you go.

A good done charter revision from Halsa

Finally. Congrats to TDSM8

Words out of my mouth.

There's really nothing to discuss because you didn't address anything I said and instead pointed to an example of when I did something similar (but at a time of relative stability and tranquility) and I had said about that incident that I was in the wrong and apologized for that

My bad :v

CSN proves themselves a dishonorable alliance yet again.

And my my, look who has apologized for that to UPN government in private. Me. In case it wasn't clear, that was a mistake to not bring up to you, and I apologize completely and fully. To attempt to use that to underhand my point in this thread is weak and only takes into account part of what I said, but eh, tis the best you can do

So that's what they should have said, no? Instead of claiming that they were reviewing treaties, just admitted to what was going on and said that the recent scenario with GOD has forced them to reevaluate their commitment to GOD and led to this cancellation. They are pansies? Please explain to me when I said that? I just don't like the deception behind the treaty cancellation, but as you have so kindly explained what really happened to me I don't think its a problem

So instead of trying to restart those relations, you cancel the treaty flatout? Regardless, your timing is impeccable to prove the conspiracy theorists right, well done.

Your post is an insult to good taste, Drai's signature is /extremely/ appealing.

The reasoning behind this is rather clear.

We can assume that they have approached the alliance regarding this and then posted up this to make sure the alliance was sure that TPF meant business.

This is a brilliant move which will no doubt save your alliance by splitting its membership in half.

Standing by your allies is always good

Good to see everything explained.