Moridin
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For years we've allowed Opethian to run around doing this kind of nonsense, letting him make threats with no power to back his word, spitting in the face of diplomacy. Why? OK, I admit, it is mildly amusing to watch. But it doesn't change the fact that it's wrong.
We must stop the PPF threat before it's too late!
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Good luck with that plan.
Do you really expect people to take you seriously? Your demands are meaningless and empty. Had you tried private channels, you might have gotten something more than a hearty laugh.
P.S. DefCon's treaties are worth more than yours
Thanks and have a nice day.
Surely they wouldn't condone spying, would they?
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I have been waiting for another State of the Alliance for over half a year, Tyga! Good to see it has finally come along, and I wish the STA the best of luck in the coming days and months.
No one is as happy as I am that you have decided to continue the marvelous State of the Alliance!Liar!
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The truth, my little faux populi,
You are ever so clever. Your argument is much stronger for this cunning play on words!
is that the MCXA really had no interest in any of those wars. Our only relation to them was that we were in Bleu, and that had we not participated, the NpO would have targeted us with whispers of "bad ally."Oh, so you were unwilling participants, only fighting because of the threat from Polar if you didn't? I definitely believe that.
If you disagree with a series of wars, you should leave the bloc and risk the "bad ally" whispers, not wait for an opportunistic moment to grind Polar into the ground that much more by helping in the dismantling of BLEU amidst the NpO's diplomatic isolation.
We rarely had a hand in planning anything, and often times found out we were going to war the day of the war when NpO handed us a target list without consulting us first on anything.Really? I could swear there was a forum somewhere where BLEU planned these things.
It's one of the reasons we left Bleu, which occurred before we were invited to 1V. I know: I was on the High Council that voted on both moves.Ever so convenient timing.
However, your claim that we are guilty for managing curb stomps as NpO is accused of having done, and then saying we were left out of managing them because we were incapable of doing so is a contradiction. If you're going to launch false claims our way, please pick a story and stick with it. It's less fun when you disprove yourself by catching yourself in a lie.I am saying you participated in them, while Polar covered the logistics. It isn't really that difficult to understand.
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Why people insist on calling the UJP war a curb-stomp is beyond me. At the start of the war it was in no way clear if one side was going to have the advantage, and if so, which side that would be.
That it turned out to be a one-sided war does not mean anyone went into that war thinking it would be.
By a couple days in one side had twice the strength of the other. The war was skillfully engineered so that Polar and allies would have much superior strength.
Ah, yes, but how many did the MCXA initiate, call for, or carry out the planning for? NpO managed and coordinated a large chunk of their side of every one of those conflicts.You were certainly willing participants, seeing as you were in BLEU until you left when the NPO called. You only didn't help in the management and planning because you didn't have the capabilities to do so.
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Congratulations on achieving peace! This is indeed a happy day.
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While they may have not been the ones to produce the CB for all of their wars they've fought, they did plan and manage almost all of their own wars, especially in Bleu.
FIST, GUN, CSN/IAA/GATO/USN, FPI, NADC (both times despite what you want to think), FAN, UJW, and CIN.
That's definitely not all their wars, but all of their wars have been total curb stomps. Most wars are, though.
FIST, CIN, NADC, and UJW, certainly. MCXA is of course just as guilty in the latter two. As RV said, the FPI war was Polar supporting CIS, the GATO war was orchestrated by the NPO, and the GUN war was a reuslt of a grievance of OcUK.
As for 'managing' and 'planning', yes, to the degree that Polar made target lists and the like. This is simply due to the greater number of military officers willing and able to do so, and better programs for list making. The only BLEU alliance comparable to Polar's membership was MCXA, who never saw fit to actually do anything worthwhile for BLEU beyond the most basic voting and ordering nations to attack. The second NADC 'war', of course, was not a war at all. If you think that individual members of an alliance should be able to break surrender terms and get off scot-free, then I suggest you inform Polar of such, I'm sure they'd appreciate it.
NpO has certainly had their fair share of curbstomps, but most of those you named were not orchestrated by Polar.
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Vandel if you are going to talk about curbstompings of a whole alliance I think you better look at some of your other allies for examples of that. Polar has not organized a curbstomping on an alliance.
Right...
Shall I name them?
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Ya know spoil you in here is laughable tbh.
ODN abdicated any rights and moral high grounds awhile ago.
RV at least picked a point to draw a line in the sand and is choocing to stand up for it.
Regardless of if I feel his fight is wrong or right at least he is willing to lay it on the line.
Can you say the same?
You are a fool and an evader. Instead of arguing against SpoiL's point, you attack his AA. You fully admit you refuse to answer RV's point after sealing a minor victory over the letter "s". You have no justification at all and you are trying to wriggle out of it by playing the "I'm too cool" card. Get over yourself and answer his question.
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Also, you will notice it is the classy ones that get terms
Yeah, like IAA!
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Out of defending the Optional Defense Network. I mean seriously, you can't defend us and still be considered decent with good morals.
I suppose so. My apologies to yavanna.
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Moridin, snap out of it.
Out of what? My general sense of decency and morality?
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Hi Franklin how are you I am fine, care to quantify that statement and pathetic considering ODN left Polaris to die? Just curious, hun. Makes no real difference to me, really, but where exactly do you have a voice to question what is going on? Was ODN in the talks regarding their former allies? Do you have a grasp of the situation? Do you know CJ and Valhalla and know the intricacies of the situation? Does this situation make absolute sense to you from the inside and do you have a grasp of the gravitas involved?
Pathetic is a harsh term to lay certainly without inside knowledge, just sayin. Take care, hun.
So since ODN left Polaris to die, the surrender terms are all of a sudden very generous? The ODN and STA were not allied, and never have been, so I don't see how a former treaty with Polar has much to do with whether or not they can have sympathy for the STA.
Seriously Valhalla, look what you've done. You've made me defend the ODN.
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An incredibly good show there DefCon. It is good to see moderation and kindness still a persists in some areas of the Cyberverse.
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Edit: Forget it.
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While I can certainly understand why some people are upset over a few names that honestly have no business being posted in any surrender treaty, Tygaland, you cannot deny that you are/were very much a part of Electron Sponge's inner circle. Had ES' plans suceeded there is no doubt to the rest of planet Bob Valhalla wouldn't be standing. While your certainly more liberal than ES when it comes to surrender treaties, and you may behave more of a gentleman than Sponge, you very much worked toward enforcing ES' foreign policy. In fact, you were/are such a major and influencial player, that you were at one time briefly appointed emperor of the NpO, despite not being a member of the NpO.
You seriously have no idea what you're talking about, do you? Tyga was briefly made Emperor of the NpO to bring at least a shadow of legitimacy to the coup in terms of following the charter. As it was a role that could only be played by an Imperator Emeritus, and Ivan and Assington I believe were not available, he was the one to whom the Polar government turned.
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Good show TGE!
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Actually 2 of those are ex valhallans also Airme.
2 have never been gov in STA so it really shouldnt be an issue on that term.
Yeah, makes one wonder if it wasn't an issue why it was included.
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He sugarcoats his argument in a certain way with descriptive adjectives that make Polaris appear less guilty, but in the end he tongue slipped and admits to Polaris' guilt. Here, MyWorld doesn't argue that indeed there were offensive war plans to attack Gramlins for simply being on the Green sphere. He then debates it the "GGA's fault, we just wanted to support an ally", but I see little reason why you have to support an ally on such an offensive color crusade. This isn't a case of "supporting allies for the worse", but supporting allies in color conquest. Consider the fact that Gramlins moved to Aqua for a reason, the fact that in general Gramlins are not known to be a hostile alliance, and consider the NpO's past history of "color wars" (NADC anyone?) and it isn't difficult to put two and two together and logically conclude the Citadel's justifications in this conflict.
So why not attack the GGA too? They were certainly an important part of the plan if you think Polar was as well. They too have a history of color wars.
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I dont see polar complaining, so why should you?
Polar happens to be on a gag order. I'm sure their members aren't joyful at the sight of the harshest surrender terms in history. At any rate, I reserve my right to speak out for what I see as right and wrong, and I'm sure many others share my viewpoint.
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I did not know him, but anyone passing before their time is saddening, and even moreso because he was a good, contributing member of the community. Farewell, Artemis, I wish I had known you better.
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The only thing this should serve for anyone besides the NpO and Coalition are to let everyone know that the war between the two is over, and so that neither side can, at a later point in time, claim that the terms are different than what was agreed upon.
Like it or not, your opinions of the terms are moot. The only opinions that matter are those of the parties that agreed to the terms.
If that was the case then Grub would be requesting a lock. As the thread remains open, the only purpose it now serves is to be an area for general discussion of the terms.
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We?
Is only Polar allowed to hope that they get peace?
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It is indeed disappointing to see that some terms Doitzel alluded to were not made public. Surely no one has anything to fear by making it clear the extent to which Polar is being forced to submit to the petty wants of the self-styled 'Coalition'?
Dear Defense Confederation, you have a 48 hour notice
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His actions? Like, being spied upon?