BloodFury

Amer, in the short conversations I have had with you when I was in Rome with Rebel Virginia, I can honestly say I hated every second talking to you. You lie all the time, you are the furthest thing from an intelligent person, and caused nothing but problems for Rome while you were in it. To be very honest with you, though Myself, Rebel Virginia, and Rome parted ways I can honestly say that you were the number one reason that I lost interest in the Alliance. You are far from winning the war against Rome, you will never have any chance to win the war against Rome, and the only reason that I you think you are going to win, is a lack of effort on their part which shows you that they don't consider you a serious threat. From a rough scan over the war screens, it only seems to me that Rome has sent 4 People against you and the alliance you say you are in charge of. So the best advice I can give you, is surrender to Rome, as your insanity and megalomania is going to bring down other Nations that are very young, and have yet to actually enjoy their time here on Planet Bob.

Amer is a nut job, and this should be disregarded.

[quote name='Methrage' date='14 April 2010 - 12:06 AM' timestamp='1271221571' post='2259738'] I know I said I wasn't going to respond, but I think its worth pointing out you've supported GOONS in their attack on OSA from the start and have never supported me before, just a friend of GOONS who I've never heard of before. Every post you've made in this thread was in favor of GOONS before I came and all your posts have been negative towards me, so nothing has changed regarding who you support. Edit: Those wanting a response to a serious question or expecting a response can still send me a PM as I'm still done with this thread. I might respond to name calling if I feel like it, but I'll probably avoid it. You can see the pattern though that has kept me posting here, whenever I say something I get several comments either about me or asking me something. (the same people saying I'm posting to much here.) [/quote] While I had to re-read this as well as read the posts after it, I rest my case on the point that you are showing your true self in this thread. While I can understand typo's being made, The Letter C is no where near the Letter O. But Why should I not support the GOONS, they are some good people.

[quote name='Oppressed' date='13 April 2010 - 07:40 PM' timestamp='1271205637' post='2259371'] I fixed up your post there. I hope you don't mind. [/quote] Not at all. He was a bit lulzy at first though, so I had to give him a little credit, but the more he posts the more his inner retard comes out.

Ya know, Methrage was funny and entertaining when he first came in here trying to start a fight, now he is just being pathetic and boring.

Show them who is boss GOONS. Make sure to leave no one alive. o/ GOONS

I expect great things from Rome.

o/ NONE POWER! o/

Lol! <3 Ejayrazz And well Walford, my History, is not a spectacular one, however I am reigniting the flame of None, we shall be heard!

Was never trying to be serious or classy. =]

Out with the old, in with the new. This new regime is far superior to the old.

<3 Timberland and his Love.

You can contact me the Voice of None on the Coldfront Server, at #BloodsBunker. We felt it wasn't right to set up a forum, we rather pass information word of mouth!

[quote name='Desperado' date='10 March 2010 - 01:11 AM' timestamp='1268201835' post='2220660'] I not agree with this! [/quote] I'm Sorry Desperado, I weighed my love for you, but just couldn't fit you into the post properly.

[center][img]http://www.designsbybethann.com/pictures/Flowers/none%20flowers.jpg[/img] I hereby introduce to you a newly united front, called None. We are the backbone of Planet Bob and we hereby enter ourselves into Existence and Declare War on the World. So for all Ya Playa Hater's, Suck It! Preamble: For those nations of us wishing to not be bound by the shackles of a centralized governing body. Article 1: Membership -Any nation not affiliated with any alliance is a member of None. -We will accept any and all members no matter what other people think of you. -You can come and go as you please, we do not ask any nation to be bound to this Alliance, we realize that loyalties can change over time. -You are on your own when you join None, it is a Dog Eat Dog world. Article 2: Government No Nation will be treated like an inferior Nation. We are all equal. Our government is based on an Anarcho-Syndicalist Commune. Each nation has the sovereign right to do what they please with their nation. Article 3: Concerning Other Alliances We recognize that other alliances exist on Planet Bob, however we have no central structure so in order for you to get anything done, it would require you to message all of our members individually. The only way we would approve of something done by another alliance is if all current members agree on the situation. We will not recognize any war against us, and we will not make any public declarations of war as we do whatever we please. Article 4: Raiding Consider any nation under any alliance, even other members of None under threat of Tech Raids from members flying the None Banner. Article 5: Randomness Alright, here's what's up. You can live here, you can record here, you can be badboy artists here, but if you wanna do it, first y'all gotta walk to Queens and get me a sugar cookie. Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we. This is an impressive crowd — the haves and the have-mores. Some people call you the elite. I call you my base. People say, how can I help on this war against terror? How can I fight evil? You can do so by mentoring a child; by going into a shut-in's house and say I love you. Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm gonna go home and put some water in C&G's momma's dish. Good day to you all. Article 6: Love <3 Ronin <3 TOP <3 Crymson <3 AlmightyGrub <3 Croix <3 AirMe <3 HisK Article 7: Hate No love for yall playa haters out there. I be representing None now !@#$%*es! Signed, The Voice of None, BloodFury [/center]

Much love indeed. I don't plan on being here in 4 years though. So you will have to make the 8 year landmark without me.

Ejayrazz, 4 years and still counting. If you are here in 4 more years, we may need to talk.

The Bandwagon grows bigger.

Congatulations Outremer. Lots of for you guys over at OSA.

You will be missed TheAUT. =[

Good luck to everyone in Genesis!

I don't see how I am contradicting myself. I said that the terms were to burn the city, and I have stuck with that argument. You have stuck with the argument that they wanted the surrender. There is no contradiction. However a cities value is only as much as you can tax it as a foreign conquerer. And to get taxes from a people that hate you is not an easy task, so it didn't have huge value. The Numidians may have been pushed back, and that may have been the reasons why Rome pushed for war, however the fact remains that Carthage didn't leave the city and burn it as Rome had asked, and that was the reason they went in for. All of the terms that they gave Carthage was a way to try and goad them into war. The Third Attempt Worked. However, The Citadel WAS surrendered prior to burning the city. Now before I start to sound like a broken record I am going to end this argument. The great thing about history is that no two people will agree 100% of the time because we were not there and many different people formulate different theories on how things went down based on how they perceived what ancient texts have said about a situation. Now Good Night, and Good Luck with your war.

The Terms were, 300 Children of Carthaginian Nobility, Surrender of all Weapons and Armor, and to move inland 10 miles and burn the city of Carthage. Nothing about surrendering it. If Rome had wanted Carthage that badly, they would of never burned the city. As for restoring trade with other's in the ancient world it does not make them rich and powerful. Carthage was poor from war reparations, as well as the fact that it lost MOST of its foreign colonies that it relied heavily upon to make money with trading. In that day and age, it was impossible to rebuild any wealth in 2 years that you lost from war. The only real wealth that Carthage had was its fertile lands that surrounded Carthage for farming, which Rome wanted badly. Besides, The Numidian Armies crushed the fledgling Carthage army that tried to stop them, and as for the "losses", the Romans only suffered 17,000~ through the whole war where Carthage lost 62,000. Rome attacked with a smaller force than the city defended with. Laid siege for 3 years which was pretty standard at the time to lay long sieges against well fortified cities. The fact of the matter still remains is that the citadel was surrounded after the walls were breached, then was surrendered some time later to Roman forces. It was AFTER the surrender of the citadel that the Roman forces burned the city under orders of the Senate. They never wanted the city.

It was Scipio, Not Scipii. They asked for 300 Children of "Well-Born" which means nobility to be surrendered as hostages to Rome. Rome never demanded control of the city, they demanded that the Carthaginians move ten miles in land and BURN the city, not hand it over. Rome could care less for control of the city. Carthage was not wealthy or grand, in fact it was a broken city state after The Second Punic War. They had just gotten done with paying back their debt to Rome 2 years prior to war breaking out. The only thing they wanted Carthage for was its rich farm lands, not its city. As for any thought of Carthage causing heavy damage to Roman Soldiers, records have proven a huge difference in forces lost, where the Romans suffered far fewer causalities than Carthage did. And as for your statement that all they could do was burn the city down, well the Roman forces took the city before burning it so they didn't do it because the defenders were too fierce, they did it because that is what most armies did at the time was burn the city. Plus with them having wanted Carthage to burn it down, well they only did what Carthage should of done. So please, you haven't really studied your history at all. That is the only thing that bothered me about your post. I think it is great that you are supporting an ally, however I do not agree with falsely throwing around history as a pretext to use in your Declaration. Edit: The only thing you seem to have gotten right was the fact that they handed over their weapons and armor.

Learn your history please, you are lacking in any knowledge of The Punic Wars.