Withdrawl

[Silhouette]

In a short television conference, President Bryson of New South Wales delivered the final decision of the Senate on the matter of Burma.

"The population of the region no longer have any need for our support, and our own troops can not be stretched to defend an area so far away from our own, even in this day and age. As such, we are relinquishing any and all claim to the land currently occupied by our troops, and under our political umbrella in South East Asia, with the exception of the political centre of Kuala Lumpur, and a 10 kilometre wide corridor runnig directly to the coast."

OOC: Plz make the changes on them map.

Edited October 10, 2009 by Silhouette

[iKrolm]

If you wish, Selenarctos can move troops into the region to stabilize it during your withdrawal and maintain it as a protectorate until a new government can be organized.

OOC: The area's marked New South Wales. Is this the same as New Cymru, or what?

Edited October 7, 2009 by iKrolm

[comrade nikonov]

The Southern Tang Empire suggests that the AUP be placed in administration of the territory as a symbol of its new found prestige in Asia.

[Subtleknifewielder]

In a short television conference, President Bryson of New Cymru delivered the final decision of the Senate on the matter of Burma.

"The population of the region no longer have any need for our support, and our own troops can not be stretched to defend an area so far away from our own, even in this day and age. As such, we are relinquishing any and all claim to the land currently occupied by our troops, and under our political umbrella in South East Asia, with the exception of the political centre of Kuala Lumpur, and a 10 kilometre wide corridor runnig directly to the coast."

OOC: Plz make the changes on them map.

"Promised Land recognizes the withdrawal, and frankly, considers it a wise move."

If you wish, Selenarctos can move troops into the region to stabilize it during your withdrawal and maintain it as a protectorate until a new government can be organized.

OOC: The area's marked New South Wales. Is this the same as New Cymru, or what?

OOC: Yes. He renamed his country as Nerw South Wales. He must have forgotten.

The Southern Tang Empire suggests that the AUP be placed in administration of the territory as a symbol of its new found prestige in Asia.

Promised Land seconds this suggestion. It should be brought up in the AUP Congress.

[Minilla Island]

Minilla Island seconds New Cymru be placed under AUP administration.

[Biohazard]

The area in question should be made an Asian protectorate, not an AUP protectorate. The AUP nations, most of them, have shown that they cannot keep their tongues in their mouths when things come to light, and it makes the AUP look bad.

[comrade nikonov]

We ask Furon to further clarify their statement.

[loannes]

"AUP should stay out of the region. Attempting to protect every region that is withdrawn from or falls into anarchy is just imperialism. Let them govern themselves for awhile."

-Regent Donegan

OOC: Stop gobbling up all the white areas

[Minilla Island]

"AUP should stay out of the region. Attempting to protect every region that is withdrawn from or falls into anarchy is just imperialism. Let them govern themselves for awhile."

-Regent Donegan

OOC: Stop gobbling up all the white areas

OOC: We are not gobbling up every white region. Just holding it for new players.

[Subtleknifewielder]

The area in question should be made an Asian protectorate, not an AUP protectorate. The AUP nations, most of them, have shown that they cannot keep their tongues in their mouths when things come to light, and it makes the AUP look bad.

Does that statement include nations like Shinsei Shikkoku Teikoku, Zargathia, The Citadel, Annihilation, Yuktobania, Kingdom of Cochin, and Southern Tang? these are ALL AUP members. You are a little out of date.

"AUP should stay out of the region. Attempting to protect every region that is withdrawn from or falls into anarchy is just imperialism. Let them govern themselves for awhile."

-Regent Donegan

OOC: Stop gobbling up all the white areas

"It cannot be imperialism to prevent imperialsim. Protecting a region until it can govern itself is the furthest thing from imperialism.

OOC: It's called protectorate for a reason. No one is annexing it.

[loannes]

Does that statement include nations like Shinsei Shikkoku Teikoku, Zargathia, The Citadel, Annihilation, Yuktobania, Kingdom of Cochin, and Southern Tang? these are ALL AUP members. You are a little out of date.

"It cannot be imperialism to prevent imperialsim. Protecting a region until it can govern itself is the furthest thing from imperialism.

OOC: It's called protectorate for a reason. No one is annexing it.

"It's spreading your influence. It's still a brand of imperialism."

OOC: But why not have any white on the map? Gray is so drab.

[Subtleknifewielder]

"It's spreading your influence. It's still a brand of imperialism."

OOC: But why not have any white on the map? Gray is so drab.

"A minimal influence is better than the risk of total takeover by an outside influence, don't you agree?"

OOC: Why? To prevent actual Imperialism. Duh...

[loannes]

"A minimal influence is better than the risk of total takeover by an outside influence, don't you agree?"

OOC: Why? To prevent actual Imperialism. Duh...

"And what if a nation wishes to spawn from the region? There will be a long process of voting that complicates things beyond necessity."

OOC: It makes things difficult for newbies.

[Subtleknifewielder]

"And what if a nation wishes to spawn from the region? There will be a long process of voting that complicates things beyond necessity."

OOC: It makes things difficult for newbies.

"Such a process will give them time to make sure their house is in order before declaring full independence."

OOC: More difficult than if the land was absorbed by an already existing nation?

[Biohazard]

Does that statement include nations like Shinsei Shikkoku Teikoku, Zargathia, The Citadel, Annihilation, Yuktobania, Kingdom of Cochin, and Southern Tang? these are ALL AUP members. You are a little out of date.

"It cannot be imperialism to prevent imperialsim. Protecting a region until it can govern itself is the furthest thing from imperialism.

OOC: It's called protectorate for a reason. No one is annexing it.

"How are we out of date? Many of the AUP nations speak quite vocally amongst matters, when they should, for lack of better words, shut the hell up.

We could say the same thing to you about the past-Borneo situation.

OOC: Shooting a PM to someone is a lot easier than having to wait for a vote.

Edited October 8, 2009 by Biohazard

[loannes]

"Such a process will give them time to make sure their house is in order before declaring full independence."

OOC: More difficult than if the land was absorbed by an already existing nation?

"Usually, it's already in order."

OOC: In which case, they never know it's there and don't whine about it, therefore alleviating possible headaches all around.

[Subtleknifewielder]

"How are we out of date? Many of the AUP nations speak quite vocally amongst matters, when they should, for lack of better words, shut the hell up.

We could say the same thing to you about the past-Borneo situation.

OOC: Shooting a PM to someone is a lot easier than having to wait for a vote.

"Many, not all, and not necessarily a majority like you seem to think."

"And we have already issued an apology where the Borneo situation was concerned."

OOC: In my 'surrender terms' in the American/Dragon Empire 'war.'

Also, it's also more intimidating for new players if they see no space unoccupied by existing nations--thus depriving us of another potential RP'er.

"Usually, it's already in order."

OOC: In which case, they never know it's there and don't whine about it, therefore alleviating possible headaches all around.

"Government, military, these are but a few things, pieces of the whole that must be in order for a nation to survive. During the voting process, they are still officially under the protection of the organization."

OOC: Which means no new members to RP with, which means eventually the RP will stagnate.

[king of cochin]

"How are we out of date? Many of the AUP nations speak quite vocally amongst matters, when they should, for lack of better words, shut the hell up.

"We dare say the same could be said of some other nations not in AUP. It would be wisest course of action to enforce the protectorate which would be made available to any government that gets formed there. An unclaimed territory would just be gobbled up by nations, near and far, especially in the turbulent geo political climate of today's Asia."

[Biohazard]

"We dare say the same could be said of some other nations not in AUP. It would be wisest course of action to enforce the protectorate which would be made available to any government that gets formed there. An unclaimed territory would just be gobbled up by nations, near and far, especially in the turbulent geo political climate of today's Asia."

At least we don't attempt to raise the facade that we are bettering Asia, when we are harming it, like many of the AUP do. If anything, the protectorate should go to the nation(s) that border the area.

[king of cochin]

At least we don't attempt to raise the facade that we are bettering Asia, when we are harming it, like many of the AUP do. If anything, the protectorate should go to the nation(s) that border the area.

At least we are not being hypocritical about it. Southern Tang, a neighbor of Burma is a member of AUP. Then surely AUP has enough influence and right to enforce protectorate as PRC had to annex Borneo!

We also find it hard to understand how a notion of inter dependence and international amity between nations do not contribute towards betterment of Asia? AUP is not a power bloc like the Dragon Bloc or Dragon Empire, and surely one of the recent proposals to come from a AUP member, viz, the Inter Asian railway network is indicative of the beneficial influence of AUP to Asian peace and stability!

Or perhaps Furon is too intent on polarizing Asia that it is willing to jeopardize the existing stability?

[Minilla Island]

Look, Furon is ticked because they could not take it themselves. Nor could their Allies.

[Biohazard]

Why would we have any use for a piece of land that far South of us? There's no benefit for it to be gained from it.

[king of cochin]

Then why is Furon so determined to let that territory fall into anarchy and possible annexation by an existing power? AUP is only maintaining stability by establishing a protectorate which will be ceded to any legitimate government rising there.

We do not understand why Furon must dissent with the actions of AUP here, after all what we all want is a stable and peaceful Asia, is it not?

[Sir Keshav IV]

Dissent with the AUP? When they ran with their tails tucked between their legs when the Americans were going to invade Asia? You actually believe us to trust such a bloc could take care of a protectorate when they are filled with the most cowardly nations in the world?

[king of cochin]

If PRC intends to commence on a sling match we would like to point out that opinions of entities which are isolationist and prone to unjust and immature decisions and analysis would not be considered in much regard by most sane nations. It is easy to be opinionated when one's own neck is not in the line and it is also extremely hypocritical to oppose AUP's move to stabilize Burma when PRC in their own self interests found it apt to annex a territory quite far away from its borders.