Technology Stats Help

[HHAYD]

You could use 2-4 mm flechettes to kill aircraft, in a kind of shotgun-effect. For stability, these flechettes should be about 6 times as ong as wide (diameter/caliber).

I'd imagine they're all in a bigger cylinder, which opens in proximity to a plane or after a timer has expired. Of course, the danger of this thing is: Where do they come down?

Is it possible to use high explosive rounds with rail guns?

[Executive Minister]

Is it possible to use high explosive rounds with rail guns?

If the rounds were big enough, but keep in mind that the force of the projectile striking the target would render any amount of explosives you put into such a tiny thing moot.

Unless you wanted the HE to self-destruct the round, to prevent it landing somewhere unintended.

[HHAYD]

If the rounds were big enough, but keep in mind that the force of the projectile striking the target would render any amount of explosives you put into such a tiny thing moot.

Unless you wanted the HE to self-destruct the round, to prevent it landing somewhere unintended.

That is exactly what I wanted the rail gun rounds to do if they miss and fall to a certain height above the ground so no one has to worry about heavy rounds raining from the sky.

[Lynneth]

That is exactly what I wanted the rail gun rounds to do if they miss and fall to a certain height above the ground so no one has to worry about heavy rounds raining from the sky.

That could be possible, but would be rather expensive.

[Executive Minister]

That could be possible, but would be rather expensive.

I'm pretty sure the ground based CIWS the Americans use in Iraq to defeat incoming mortar rounds follow this priniciple... i think a demo charge detonates after the proximity fuze within the shell gets below a certain limit.

[Sabioviejo]

So, my new nations is starting its army form the bottom up. How long do you guys think it will take a country with my resources (read: big) and population (160 mil) to get a professional standing army up and running? With, or without technological help from outside to jump start equipment etc.

[Il Terra Di Agea]

So, my new nations is starting its army form the bottom up. How long do you guys think it will take a country with my resources (read: big) and population (160 mil) to get a professional standing army up and running? With, or without technological help from outside to jump start equipment etc.

Getting the manpower would be easy, taking, depending on the size of your end army and the hurry that you are in, you could get a decent standing army worth of soldiers in anywhere from seven months to two years. The problem would be arming them. The cost to do all of the arming at once would be very high, would take time, and, if your men haven't been trained with weapons in the past, would require a lot of different, new training.

I would say that a realistic time would be three to five years to go from a small, untrained militia of sorts to a fairly powerful standing army with your resources.

(Note that this would still be a hastily thrown together army that would need longer term training to get functioning well.)

Then again, realism and CNRP aren't necessarily related.

[HHAYD]

The flechettes with the height controlled explosives are only used against stealth aircraft over civilian area, so unless if an enemy launches an stealth air raid blitz, I seriously doubt the cost of those flechettes would render it unrealistic.

However, at the border, the standard flechettes are used against stealth aircraft and if they land in the correct place, they can act like anti-infantry weapons.

So, what about the anti-stealth system I plan on using?:

The Surfaced Based Method operates this way:

Since radio waves from stars are uninterrupted, even in the worst kind of weathers, and the abundance of stars, they can be used to detect even the most powerful stealth aircraft. The radio telescopes will track most or all of the stars' radio waves based on the already massive map of all of the known stars. Since stealth aircraft absorb or deflect radio wave, they will show up as a blank or black spot in the system's computers' map of the stars' radio waves.

It's kind like the moon being covered entirely with radar absorbing material during a solar eclipse. You won't able to detect the moon using radar, but you can certainly see it as a black spot in the sky. Same thing with stealth aircraft and the radio waves from stars.

The radio telescopes will be placed underneath in open farm area with camouflage and inside large civilian buildings (hospitals, schools, etc). They will be connected to anti-stealth aircraft guns, aka rail guns that fire flechettes toward the predicted area where the stealth aircraft will fly through based on its speed, height, weather condition, etc.

Source: http://homepage.mac.com/ardeshir/Anti-StealthTechnology.pdf

Edited December 5, 2009 by HHAYD

[Lynneth]

So, my new nations is starting its army form the bottom up. How long do you guys think it will take a country with my resources (read: big) and population (160 mil) to get a professional standing army up and running? With, or without technological help from outside to jump start equipment etc.

What ITDA said, basically. Of course, you can get help from allies or somesuch thing.

*hint hint*

The flechettes with the height controlled explosives are only used against stealth aircraft over civilian area, so unless if an enemy launches an stealth air raid blitz, I seriously doubt the cost of those flechettes would render it unrealistic.

However, at the border, the standard flechettes are used against stealth aircraft and if they land in the correct place, they can act like anti-infantry weapons.

So, what about the anti-stealth system I plan on using?:

If the flechettes are used only in civvie areas, then I geuss you can use them. Railguns have a huge range though, so railgun-launched flechettes would fly hundreds of kilometers in the worst case. It would be like firing a gigantic shotgun with tiny rocket-propelled pebbles or something.

The stealth system MAY work, but I'm really not sure. You're basically looking at the 'empty' spot that the plane leaves, right? Though that doesn't work all the time (some keep tiny radar signatures to fight that, but to keep it hard enough for radar to actually see them properly), but it might just work.

[HHAYD]

If the flechettes are used only in civvie areas, then I geuss you can use them. Railguns have a huge range though, so railgun-launched flechettes would fly hundreds of kilometers in the worst case. It would be like firing a gigantic shotgun with tiny rocket-propelled pebbles or something.

The rail guns' power are toned down so the flechettes can intercept stealth enemy aircraft at a speed that is a mach higher than the aircraft's speed. What would happen to the flechettes if the rail guns were pointing up toward the sky to shoot down fast stealth aircraft and a couple of the flechettes missed? Mini "Rods from God"?

Edited December 5, 2009 by HHAYD

[Lynneth]

The rail guns' power are toned down so the flechettes can intercept stealth enemy aircraft at a speed that is a mach higher than the aircraft's speed. What would happen to the flechettes if the rail guns were pointing up toward the sky to shoot down fast stealth aircraft and a couple of the flechettes missed? Mini "Rods from God"?

Imagine a shotgun being fired at a brick wall.

See the crater in the bricks? That's what'd happen here, basically. It's hundreds of tiny "impacts" (not really tiny, at those speeds. One could likely rip your arm off) over an area, like a cluster bomb.

Edited December 5, 2009 by Lynneth

[Executive Minister]

Lol, ok now more than ever, what would happen if someone wielding this, fired this, that was configured as a SAP-HE, Semi-Armor Penetrating High Explosive at someone wearing armor made by first world nations in RP (basically, anything humanly possible by 2025 or whatever the year is).

Edited December 6, 2009 by Executive Minister

[HHAYD]

Lol, ok now more than ever, what would happen if someone wielding this, fired this, that was configured as a SAP-HE, Semi-Armor Penetrating High Explosive at someone wearing armor made by first world nations in RP (basically, anything humanly possible by 2025 or whatever the year is).

Depends on the kind of armor they are wearing.

[Executive Minister]

Depends on the kind of armor they are wearing.

Lets say the highest tech armour anyone here can field. Ugh, still trying to find the source that says an H&H can fully penetrate an Adult African Elephant Bull.

Edited December 6, 2009 by Executive Minister

[Lynneth]

Lets say the highest tech armour anyone here can field. Ugh, still trying to find the source that says an H&H can fully penetrate an Adult African Elephant Bull.

Would probably be the armour I or Lavo field.

Dunno if he uses carbon nanofibers/tubes in his suits, though.

For my suits, they can stop 7.62x51 mm bullets. Only one or two at a time (others would get through, due to technological limitations), but unless your bullet has considerably more power than those rounds, my guys can shrug one or two off (with light to medium bruises)

[Subtleknifewielder]

Would probably be the armour I or Lavo field.

Dunno if he uses carbon nanofibers/tubes in his suits, though.

For my suits, they can stop 7.62x51 mm bullets. Only one or two at a time (others would get through, due to technological limitations), but unless your bullet has considerably more power than those rounds, my guys can shrug one or two off (with light to medium bruises)

How many of your guys actually wear this armor at any one point?

[iKrolm]

Would probably be the armour I or Lavo field.

Dunno if he uses carbon nanofibers/tubes in his suits, though.

For my suits, they can stop 7.62x51 mm bullets. Only one or two at a time (others would get through, due to technological limitations), but unless your bullet has considerably more power than those rounds, my guys can shrug one or two off (with light to medium bruises)

.357's got the same muzzle velocity and more than twice the mass of a 7.62 round.

[Executive Minister]

Would probably be the armour I or Lavo field.

Dunno if he uses carbon nanofibers/tubes in his suits, though.

For my suits, they can stop 7.62x51 mm bullets. Only one or two at a time (others would get through, due to technological limitations), but unless your bullet has considerably more power than those rounds, my guys can shrug one or two off (with light to medium bruises)

Let me put into perspective what kind of power the H&H .375 has...

In order to kill african bull elephant males, poachers have squads of men spray the animals with dozens upon dozens of AK-47 rounds and then quickly escape, and let the poor thing die of bloodloss.

The H&H can silence a raging animal with a single shot.

Its like me shooting you with that 7.62x51 as opposed to me spraying you with a pellet gun.

Edited December 7, 2009 by Executive Minister

[Lynneth]

How many of your guys actually wear this armor at any one point?

There's a continuous effort to get every soldier such a suit, though that takes some years, obviously. In the time of Bavaria, Austria, the HRE and the GDR, I guess at least half of my men have one now. The suits of retired soldiers can be recycled (obviously) for someone else's suit.

.357's got the same muzzle velocity and more than twice the mass of a 7.62 round.

So one of my suits could barely stop a .357, I guess. Though there'd be a slightly cracked rib or at least heavy bruise.

[Executive Minister]

There's a continuous effort to get every soldier such a suit, though that takes some years, obviously. In the time of Bavaria, Austria, the HRE and the GDR, I guess at least half of my men have one now. The suits of retired soldiers can be recycled (obviously) for someone else's suit.

So one of my suits could barely stop a .357, I guess. Though there'd be a slightly cracked rib or at least heavy bruise.

See me above post... and its not a .357... its a 3.75

That is 9.55 x 72 mm of pure power... not to mention they are SAP-HE's... you know those rounds I mentioned to you in IRC.

[Lynneth]

See me above post... and its not a .357... its a 3.75

That is 9.55 x 72 mm of pure power... not to mention they are SAP-HE's... you know those rounds I mentioned to you in IRC.

I don't remember anything from IRC, mostly because I was too lazy to remember it.

Anyways. HE=High Explosive, right? The impact itself would probably not do too much, but if they go boom after impact (or slightly before), then it would certainly damage my guys heavily. These things are made for standard rounds, not to resist explosive ammmunition (for which you'd need completely stupidly powerful armour, really).

[Uberstein]

I don't remember anything from IRC, mostly because I was too lazy to remember it.

Anyways. HE=High Explosive, right? The impact itself would probably not do too much, but if they go boom after impact (or slightly before), then it would certainly damage my guys heavily. These things are made for standard rounds, not to resist explosive ammmunition (for which you'd need completely stupidly powerful armour, really).

Shockwave would probably liquefy their organs if you invented some kind of anti-infantry HESH round.

[Executive Minister]

Shockwave would probably liquefy their organs if you invented some kind of anti-infantry HESH round.

Basically, these rounds are from light elephant guns. In Africa, the absolute minimum you can use on Elephants legally is the H&H .375 round...

On top of that, i've filled these steel/copper/copper-nickel rounds with a percussion cap or however you say it and HE. The rounds are Semi-Armor Piercing, High Explosive, which means the round impacts the target, where the steel or copper jacket maintains the bullet's shape for a little while, until the percussion cap is struck and the round detonates. This is based off of the original pistol's rounds in Halo: CE.

The effect is devastating against unarmoured targets. The round would penetrate quite deeply, although the cap would be struck before the bullet over penetrates within the victim's body, usually. If not, then the round overpenetrates. When it explodes, its nothing comparable to a grenade or anything, but it is enough to probably sever the man's torso completely.

Against armoured targets, the round would detonate much much earlier, within the woven fabric or armor plates or even between the armour and the flesh, destroying the armour and the wearer's body, albeit with a reduced damage to his body, its still devastating.

Against super-heavy targets, like Lavo or Lynneth armour, I dunno. If their armour is ubergodly strong, which i doubt, then the round would detonate outside the armour, which would create the HESH effect, or detonate in the outer most layers, which would destroy the armour. Even if the latter is the case, due to human limitations, this would still cause horrendous damage, at least concussions.

At least, that is how i get this. But not to worry, these rounds are ferocious, and the Sentinel Battle Rifle can only fire them reliably at semi-auto. The full auto function is pretty slow... slower than the WWII BAR, and is impractical due to the recoil. The only gun that can fire these full auto is the M60 sized Torrent Machine gun, a full sized Squad Automatic weapon based on the MG 42 or newer MG 3.

In any case, even if the armour was enough to fully protect from the round, yadda yadda yadda, the soldier would still be knocked flat on his $@!, regardless.

Obviously, the effectiveness of the round is proportional to how strong or protected the victim is. The bigger they are... the harder they get hurt.

Edited December 7, 2009 by Executive Minister

[Executive Minister]

Still waiting on the reply for the above post, but here's something else.

This APC, what RL APC should I base it on? What stats should I use?

[HHAYD]

I am wondering if it is realistic for me to RP the development and building of heavily armored tanks with mostly carbon nanotubes. The armoring is almost all carbon nanotubes except for the section where it meets internal components and crew's compartments, where it will have Kevlar to prevent spalling from damaging anything or injuring the crew. The tanks will also have 250mm cannons as their main cannons (firing rate is one shell per 11 seconds), which I am not sure if that is realistic or not.

Still waiting on the reply for the above post, but here's something else.

This APC, what RL APC should I base it on? What stats should I use?

Erm, what is that round thing on top with the sides covered with red spikes? What is that turret in front of the APC? Dual famethrowers?

Edited December 10, 2009 by HHAYD