Official Pacifican Announcement: Regarding Midway

[king of cochin]

As staunch anti colonialists why does Tahoe disrespect their own covenants outside North America? Or is it Tahoean policy that colonialism is to be prevented in North America but they can colonize anywhere?

[iamthey]

Perhaps it would be mutually beneficial to agree to a compromise? For example, Tahoe will be authorized to keep Midway as their Protectorate however observers from Greater Pacifica will be appointed to make sure they do not annex it?

A protectorate is merely another form of administration and if they intend to turn over midway to the successor state of Viniland, that doesn't change anything. It appears Tahoe's major rational for not wanting to turn over the island is that they do not wish to turn it over with Viniland's Midway Military Establishment intact. We can understand the desire to protect their military secrets which is why we are willing to accept a longterm turnover process. We are not asking for them to hand over the islands today, we understand that simply isn't possible. We are willing to work with them, but if they are unwilling to make that commitment then our hands are tied.

If Tahoe requires a few months or a year to secure whatever secrets the island may hold then we are perfectly fine with allowing them to retain it under lease from us.

[Sargun II]

The Federal Union of Slavic Republics recognizes the sovereignty of Tahoe over the Midway Islands as a protectorate.

New Canada recognises Tahoes Sovereignty over the Midway Islands as a protectorate and offers Tahoe assistance if diplomacy breaks down.

Your attempts to pressure Pacifica have been noted and I have but one response: if diplomacy does indeed "break down", you will not be so hasty to declare support when you see the support Pacifica has. Let Tahoe and Pacifica do this on their own.

[loannes]

"Caucasia supports the claim of Greater Pacifica. Tahoe has been aggressively anti-colonialist for most of its existence, and it should not hold colonies so long as it remains so."

-HRH King James II

[Zoot Zoot]

Your attempts to pressure Pacifica have been noted and I have but one response: if diplomacy does indeed "break down", you will not be so hasty to declare support when you see the support Pacifica has. Let Tahoe and Pacifica do this on their own.

Attempts to pressure?

No

Supporting a legitimate land holding? Yes.

Viniland gave us independence and so it is our... duty shall we say, to support those who are upholding its final wishes.

However, as Pacifica just stated, a long term turnover process would be most agreeable, in our opinion.

It offers a solution and gives Tahoe time to remove Vinilands former installations, freeing up the Island for civilian usage.

And you presume we meant military support.

There are more than one way to support a Nation.

[Sargun II]

And you presume we meant military support.

It was heavily implied that you meant military support, and your attempts to weasel out of it are noted as well.

[Zoot Zoot]

What implications?

quote any word that insinuates MILITARY intervention.

Specificly military intervention.

[Sargun II]

What implications?

quote any word that insinuates MILITARY intervention.

Specificly military intervention.

You offered assistance. That insinuates military intervention, especially with "if diplomacy breaks down". Play semantics some other day.

[Zoot Zoot]

No, if we had said "we will offer military assistance", your statement would be correct in its assumptions, however we did not.

If you knew anything regarding New Canada you would already know we fight in self defence if our homeland is under threat or requested by the CAN.

We dont pick fights, especially regarding colonial protectorates which are owned by a super power who wouldnt need military assistance from a Nation with technalogical and numerical handicaps such as New Canada.

[JEDCJT]

"The FSA supports its Tahoan ally, and criticizes Greater Pacifica for attempting to undermine Tahoe's sovereignty over its protectorate. Viniland, prior to its collapse, turned over itself to Tahoe as a protectorate for a reason. Strictly speaking, Tahoe can do whatever it wishes with its protectorate, and it is not the role of Greater Pacifica nor its allies to dictate what Tahoe should do or shouldn't do with its protectorate.

Moreover, any hostile actions against Tahoe will not be tolerated."

CLASSIFIED

The FSA, at least in the region of New England, was placed on DEFCON 3 as the New Englander section of the FSA Armed Forces were placed on high alert. The Tahoan government would receive a telegram from the FSA government through secure channels, written by President Johnson himself:

Greetings,

We are aware that the current situation concerning Midway has the potential to devolve into conflict, and as such, I would like to assure you that the Tahoe Republic has the full support and backing of the Federated States of America. However, it has come to my attention that our other ally, the Holy American Empire has treaties with both sides and may be forced to be neutral in this conflict, thus preventing us from adequately providing support to you in the Pacific through the Panama Canal. As such, I would like to inquire of whether we'll be able to move our troops and reinforcements across your lands if war breaks out.

With regards,

Lyndon Baines Johnson,

President

Edited January 30, 2010 by JEDCJT

[Sargun II]

No, if we had said "we will offer military assistance", your statement would be correct in its assumptions, however we did not.

If you knew anything regarding New Canada you would already know we fight in self defence if our homeland is under threat or requested by the CAN.

We dont pick fights, especially regarding colonial protectorates which are owned by a super power who wouldnt need military assistance from a Nation with technalogical and numerical handicaps such as New Canada.

Cry some more. You were caught and once you saw the other side had friends bigger than yourself you tried to get out. You have also revealed that you do agree Tahoe's protectorate is a colony, and your support of them indicates a support of colonialism.

Thank you for this enlightening conversation.

[iamthey]

"The FSA supports its Tahoan ally, and criticizes Greater Pacifica for attempting to undermine Tahoe's sovereignty over its protectorate. Viniland, prior to its collapse, turned over itself to Tahoe as a protectorate for a reason. Strictly speaking, Tahoe can do whatever it wishes with its protectorate, and it is not the role of Greater Pacifica nor its allies to dictate what Tahoe should do or shouldn't do with its protectorate.

Moreover, any hostile actions against Tahoe will not be tolerated."

I take your statement as a sign that the FSA will be supportive and tolerant of future foreign holdings in the Americas?

[Zoot Zoot]

We never made it a secret we believe it is a colonial Protectorate, and yes, to a degree we support colonialism. Well sort of.

The Italian federation is a good example with Guam. Whilst not a colony, its the military establishment of a nation who has no buisiness in the Pacific other than to have the ability to strike back at an enemy.

We are NOT trying to get out, if Tahoe asks, or accepts our offer, we shall provide assistance if required in the form of our hospital ships.

Edited January 30, 2010 by Zoot Zoot

[iamthey]

We never made it a secret we believe it is a colonial Protectorate, and yes, to a degree we support colonialism. Well sort of.

The Italian federation is a good example with Guam. Whilst not a colony, its the military establishment of a nation who has no buisiness in the Pacific other than to have the ability to strike back at an enemy.

We are NOT trying to get out, if Tahoe asks, or accepts our offer, we shall provide assistance if required in the form of our hospital ships.

Guam is being leased to a close ally. We retain sovereign control of guam and could theoretically revoke the lease at any point. As there is no civilian population, and it is not owned by Dobb's government it is acceptable to us. Tahoe on the other hand, is not an ally, Midway has a civilian population, and it is owned by Tahoe.

Edited January 30, 2010 by iamthey

[Zoot Zoot]

A Civilian population long under American Rule in the form of Viniland, now under the rule of another American Nation, Tahoe.

If Tahoe does agree to form a compromise, the best course of action, would be of course, a long term release of the Island to Pacifican control as to not make the indinginous population become resentful to its new masters after spending so long under the wings of an American nation.

[iamthey]

A Civilian population long under American Rule in the form of Viniland, now under the rule of another American Nation, Tahoe.

If Tahoe does agree to form a compromise, the best course of action, would be of course, a long term release of the Island to Pacifican control as to not make the indinginous population become resentful to its new masters after spending so long under the wings of an American nation.

Tahoe's rule is just as radically different from that of V's (if not more so). GP is just as liberal, and ethnically/culturally open as Viniland. Tahoe on the other hand is culturally closed, and insular. While they do have and respect their minority populations, the Irish culture is spread and imposed on the population. They are more over religiously domineering giving significant favor to their Catholic Church, and openly persecuting minority religions such as Islam. Between Tahoe, and Greater Pacifica if any nation is more in line with the interests of the civilians of Midway it is the latter.

[Zoot Zoot]

We are well aware of Tahoes...differences when compared to Pacifica sir, and we meant no offence in our comments we assure you.

Which is why we are pushing, and constantly saying, a long term handover would be the best course of action.

[iamthey]

We are well aware of Tahoes...differences when compared to Pacifica sir, and we meant no offence in our comments we assure you.

Which is why we are pushing, and constantly saying, a long term handover would be the best course of action.

*Private*

No offense was taken, we were simply making clear the facts .

[Zoot Zoot]

*Private*

No offense was taken, we were simply making clear the facts .

*Private*

Of course, it is establishing facts before actions that save lives.