Welcome to Cyber Nations:Infra Edition

[American Idle]

Ok, so I've played the infra hugging game trying to win before, but the level you guys (I'm looking at you WOLF) are taking it to is pathetic. Have we all forgotten that this is just supposed to be fun? How badly can you want that t-shirt?

To all the smaller alliances that joined WOLF, can't you see you are just being used? Do you really think RE, TPF, or TF cares about you? You're the cannon fodder that protects their infra so they can get their shirts and all important flags. Oh, but right. I forgot, they'll protect you! Its a WAR GAME, for crying out loud! If you don't want to fight, you don't belong here. Besides, if you're an alliance with 30-40-50 members, you are going to be fighting an alliance of similar size. You shouldn't have to cry uncle and get one of the big boys to come rescue you. The only reason they would come to your aid anyway is its basically a big tech raid for them. A big 100-200 something alliance gets to go curbstomp an alliance less than half its size, and all under the noble banner of "protection"! It truly is a win-win, well, for those in the bloc.

May I also add that the actions of the old RE/TPF/TF bloc were a little less than admirable? RE and TPF, do you really have to declare on alliances with 100 less members than your own to win a war? Pretty sad if you ask me. Props to TF, at least LE was of equal, actually slightly smaller size when you declared on them, but you ended up getting embarrassed because too many of your nations cared more about their infra.

NeoGandalf, do me a favor and go look at the Tournament Winners screen for a sec. Hmm... i'm sitting there as the 12th biggest nation of all time. Where are you? No, really, after I looked down to 120th I gave up. I have great respect for you as a builder, and as builders go you are probably one of, if not the greatest I have seen, but that is not what wins this game. You need to be decent in order to win, but it is not everything. Strategy is much more important. I don't sunbathe in the limelight, nor or try to orchestrate the world. You don't need to, as long as you have more strategy than a half-eaten bowl of cereal.

WOLF: enjoy your moment of glory, as soon there will be a New World Order...

Oh, and don't mind me. I'm just being politically incorrect as usual.

[Varianz]

Ok, so I've played the infra hugging game trying to win before, but the level you guys (I'm looking at you WOLF) are taking it to is pathetic. Have we all forgotten that this is just supposed to be fun? How badly can you want that t-shirt?

To all the smaller alliances that joined WOLF, can't you see you are just being used? Do you really think RE, TPF, or TF cares about you? You're the cannon fodder that protects their infra so they can get their shirts and all important flags. Oh, but right. I forgot, they'll protect you! Its a WAR GAME, for crying out loud! If you don't want to fight, you don't belong here. Besides, if you're an alliance with 30-40-50 members, you are going to be fighting an alliance of similar size. You shouldn't have to cry uncle and get one of the big boys to come rescue you. The only reason they would come to your aid anyway is its basically a big tech raid for them. A big 100-200 something alliance gets to go curbstomp an alliance less than half its size, and all under the noble banner of "protection"! It truly is a win-win, well, for those in the bloc.

May I also add that the actions of the old RE/TPF/TF bloc were a little less than admirable? RE and TPF, do you really have to declare on alliances with 100 less members than your own to win a war? Pretty sad if you ask me. Props to TF, at least LE was of equal, actually slightly smaller size when you declared on them, but you ended up getting embarrassed because too many of your nations cared more about their infra.

NeoGandalf, do me a favor and go look at the Tournament Winners screen for a sec. Hmm... i'm sitting there as the 12th biggest nation of all time. Where are you? No, really, after I looked down to 120th I gave up. I have great respect for you as a builder, and as builders go you are probably one of, if not the greatest I have seen, but that is not what wins this game. You need to be decent in order to win, but it is not everything. Strategy is much more important. I don't sunbathe in the limelight, nor or try to orchestrate the world. You don't need to, as long as you have more strategy than a half-eaten bowl of cereal.

WOLF: enjoy your moment of glory, as soon there will be a New World Order...

Oh, and don't mind me. I'm just being politically incorrect as usual.

Yes, it's a plot by the evil RE/TPF/TF troika to control the world! We all hug our infra and never ever fight any wars! Oh wait...yes we do! Take a look at that Cybernations Awards screen...you'll see that in the "most casualties" section, RE and TPF both feature very heavily.

[King Death II]

Eh, if you look at TE history, TPF has the bad luck of getting badly hammered right before the round ends, every single round for like the past 4 or 5 rounds. Its been fun

[American Idle]

Eh, if you look at TE history, TPF has the bad luck of getting badly hammered right before the round ends, every single round for like the past 4 or 5 rounds. Its been fun

I've also been beaten pretty badly near the end of each round for the past 5 rounds. It's nothing special.

I'm pretty sure we ALL get pretty badly beaten near the end of each round.

Edited August 9, 2009 by American Idle

[American Idle]

Yes, it's a plot by the evil RE/TPF/TF troika to control the world! We all hug our infra and never ever fight any wars! Oh wait...yes we do! Take a look at that Cybernations Awards screen...you'll see that in the "most casualties" section, RE and TPF both feature very heavily.

So then why are you building a nice little buffer with 1/3 of the NS in TE, maybe more, around yourself?

Edited August 9, 2009 by American Idle

[Arrnea]

There is a method to our supposed madness.

You shall see.

[Clash]

Im mainly criticizing TPF here. Take a look at their top nations and most of them have 0 casualties.

That's just crap and lies.

You, sir, are a liar of large proportions.

Our #1: 44,727 Casualties

#2: 6,963 Casualties (he doesn't tech raid, only fights in wars)

#3: 16,998 Casualties

#4: 73,146 Casualties

#5: 39,497 Casualties

#6: 12,548 Casualties

#7: 67,033 Casualties

#8: 9,095 Casualties

#9: 20,140 Casualties

#10: 6,272 Casualties (he doesn't tech raid, only fights in wars)

If one were to look at the casualties awards, one would find it littered with members of TPF.

Now go grow a pair and quit whining.

[Varianz]

So then why are you building a nice little buffer with 1/3 of the NS in TE, maybe more, around yourself? Im mainly criticizing TPF here. Take a look at their top nations and most of them have 0 casualties. RE and TF have fought. RE not the fairest wars, but at least it is something

Check the awards page, you'll see that RE and TPF feature very heavily. For the lazy, here are the numbers:

Most Attacking Casualties- 4 TPF, 1 RE

Most Defending Casualties- 4 RE, 1 TPF

Total Soldier Casualties- 3 TPF, 2 RE

RE and TPF jointly have the top five in all casualty measures. That says something about our willingness to fight.

[American Idle]

That's just crap and lies.

You, sir, are a liar of large proportions.

Meh, whatever... I checked a week or two ago and that wasnt the case. I'm too lazy to do it again. More than likely they only attacked nations much smaller than themselves to do just enough to take part in your war. I've got more important business to worry about.

I'm not here to make friends. I don't care what you think. It's also slightly ironic that BG whines more than I do and goes off vowing his revenge and whatever when he is on the wrong end of a war. I havent suffered from this bloc yet. I'm just saying thats its intentions are pretty cowardly. If you had a pair yourself you would be out there without your treaties and safety net fending for yourself.

[The Wizard of Oz]

So then why are you building a nice little buffer with 1/3 of the NS in TE, maybe more, around yourself? Im mainly criticizing TPF here. Take a look at their top nations and most of them have 0 casualties. RE and TF have fought. RE not the fairest wars, but at least it is something

I think your negative agenda and complaining is a little skewed. Obviously you will say anything to try to convince

others into your way of fear thinking. I myself am ranked #2 in attacking casualties and #5 in total casualties.

You invited everyone to look at our top nations. How does that make you look if they actually do?

[Clash]

Meh, whatever... I checked a week or two ago and that wasnt the case. I'm too lazy to do it again. More than likely they only attacked nations much smaller than themselves to do just enough to take part in your war. I've got more important business to worry about.

I'm not here to make friends. I don't care what you think. It's also slightly ironic that BG whines more than I do and goes off vowing his revenge and whatever when he is on the wrong end of a war. I havent suffered from this bloc yet. I'm just saying thats its intentions are pretty cowardly. If you had a pair yourself you would be out there without your treaties and safety net fending for yourself.

I'm calling you a liar AGAIN. A week ago it was the same thing.

It's been that way all session.

You sir, are full of poodlepoop.

Let's add a reference from here:

Does TPF like to fight?

You be the judge:

Most Attacking Casualties

1) 51,971 Soldiers Lost - Cameron of Lochiel of Slinte mhr agad - White Team

2) 43,543 Soldiers Lost - The Wizard of Oz of The Oz - White Team

3) 33,334 Soldiers Lost - Dolemite of kegkiller - White Team

4) 33,117 Soldiers Lost - bibliotech of bibliotech - White Team

5) 32,858 Soldiers Lost - contractkiller of contractkiller - Black Team

Total Soldier Casualties

1) 59,047 Total Soldiers Lost - Cameron of Lochiel of Slinte mhr agad - White Team

2) 50,020 Total Soldiers Lost - The Wizard of Oz of The Oz - White Team

3) 48,074 Total Soldiers Lost - contractkiller of contractkiller - Black Team

4) 44,727 Total Soldiers Lost - Dolemite of kegkiller - White Team

5) 40,407 Total Soldiers Lost - bibliotech of bibliotech - White Team

Date=Jul 28 2009, 09:45 AM

A liar now proven, repeatedly.

Now quit your crying.

Edited August 9, 2009 by ClashPoint

[Varianz]

Meh, whatever... I checked a week or two ago and that wasnt the case. I'm too lazy to do it again. More than likely they only attacked nations much smaller than themselves to do just enough to take part in your war. I've got more important business to worry about.

Oh great argument, brilliant work. "I'm too lazy to actually do the work of finding facts to back up my statements, I'm just going to spew out what I think are witty comments about the evil bloc and think I'm just so awesome for doing so." Then when the facts come out and make me look like an idiot, I'll just shrug it off. The truth is just so inconvenient.

I'm not here to make friends. I don't care what you think. It's also slightly ironic that BG whines more than I do and goes off vowing his revenge and whatever when he is on the wrong end of a war. I havent suffered from this bloc yet. I'm just saying thats its intentions are pretty cowardly. If you had a pair yourself you would be out there without your treaties and safety net fending for yourself.

I haven't seen BG whine since...well I haven't seen BG whine. As for our intentions, we've stated fairly clearly that we intend to defend ourselves and solidify our position. Take that as you will.

[American Idle]

I think your negative agenda and complaining is a little skewed. Obviously you will say anything to try to convince

others into your way of fear thinking. I myself am ranked #2 in attacking casualties and #5 in total casualties.

You invited everyone to look at our top nations. How does that make you look if they actually do?

Negative? Pshhh... I'm excited. I get to be a little prick trying to wreck everything WOLF is trying to accomplish. I think it will be great fun.

It also appears that not everybody appreciates my sarcastic sense of humor. Everyone takes this game a little too seriously. Lighten up and just have some fun playing, win or lose. When there are no huge blocs the game is more fun because alliances are free to have 1 on 1 wars that dont end in curbstomps.

[Clash]

Go see my edited post above, liar.

[Burning Glory]

Meh, whatever... I checked a week or two ago and that wasnt the case. I'm too lazy to do it again. More than likely they only attacked nations much smaller than themselves to do just enough to take part in your war. I've got more important business to worry about.

I'm not here to make friends. I don't care what you think. It's also slightly ironic that BG whines more than I do and goes off vowing his revenge and whatever when he is on the wrong end of a war. I havent suffered from this bloc yet. I'm just saying thats its intentions are pretty cowardly. If you had a pair yourself you would be out there without your treaties and safety net fending for yourself.

Good excuse! you run off with the mouth with out even knowing if its correct or not....thats called propaganda

And if you haven't suffered yet from this bloc, just give me your link and that can be arranged :)!!

Also just to inform you of 2 very important things;

1st I never complain or vow for revenge....its a game, a war game, and the point.

2nd TPF are very respected and honorable fighters, some of the best in the game.....You can say what you want about me,

keep the potty tricks in your mouth about my AA.

ONE more thing, maybe you should shoot all the little guys a pm, you will find out that TPF has helped many of them out an several occasions,

and we always jump in and help if needed.

BG.

[American Idle]

I haven't seen BG whine since...well I haven't seen BG whine. As for our intentions, we've stated fairly clearly that we intend to defend ourselves and solidify our position. Take that as you will.

umm... round 3 after TPF took a beating he vowed revenge against MHA for betraying him. I was pretty impressed that it actually happened. I'm sure we all remember the 1200 VS the 600. I still think he's a cool guy, and he's done a helluva lot better of a job at leading an alliance than I ever could.

you say the goal is to "solidify our position"? I read that as "infra hugging".

I've never said "we're screwed and all hope is lost", I just said it is pathetic it came to this and is going to make everything extremely boring for some time.

Everybody know your intentions, but i'm the only one with the cajones to tell it like it is

[Varianz]

umm... round 3 after TPF took a beating he vowed revenge against MHA for betraying him. I was pretty impressed that it actually happened. I'm sure we all remember the 1200 VS the 600. I still think he's a cool guy, and he's done a helluva lot better of a job at leading an alliance than I ever could.

you say the goal is to "solidify our position"? I read that as "infra hugging".

I've never said "we're screwed and all hope is lost", I just said it is pathetic it came to this and is going to make everything extremely boring for some time.

Everybody know your intentions, but i'm the only one with the cajones to tell it like it is

Of course I remember that war, I was on the 600 side of it. I loved it; it's an example of two blocs going up against each other. Was it a bloodbath/curbstomp for my side? Of course. Does that mean I think blocs destroy the game? No. In fact, it's because I was around for that that I think blocs are good things- they make people interested in the game. The height of activity, in game and on these forums, is always during the time when major blocs form.

And of course you know our intentions, we don't try and hide them. I've made four posts now in which I clearly state them as "solidify our position in power and defend ourselves" (now I'm at five).

[Clash]

Everybody know your intentions, but i'm the only one with the cajones to tell it like it is

You are a proven liar though. You're NOT telling it like it is.

You're lying about how it is.

AGAIN: Go start the opposition.

We'd love to see it.

[American Idle]

Let's see what everybody else thinks. I have this funny little feeling that more people are going to take my side.

http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=65681

[American Idle]

Of course I remember that war, I was on the 600 side of it. I loved it; it's an example of two blocs going up against each other. Was it a bloodbath/curbstomp for my side? Of course. Does that mean I think blocs destroy the game? No. In fact, it's because I was around for that that I think blocs are good things- they make people interested in the game. The height of activity, in game and on these forums, is always during the time when major blocs form.

And of course you know our intentions, we don't try and hide them. I've made four posts now in which I clearly state them as "solidify our position in power and defend ourselves" (now I'm at five).

Yeah, I was also on the 600 side. It wasnt really a clash of two blocs, it was one bloc with the majority of TE trying to destroy a group of 3 friends. I've been on the wrong side of all but one curbstomp, which was the one against MI in round 3. Wars are always more fun when the sides are relatively even. The intention of this is to make it nearly impossible for any opposition to rise up, hence why you arent telling us all the involved alliances. Power comes and goes. there is no way to solidify your position. You should be able to defend yourself without having to align most of the world behind you.

[Arrnea]

The intention of this is to make it nearly impossible for any opposition to rise up, hence why you arent telling us all the involved alliances.

It has already been stated that all of the involved alliances are listed in the OP of the announcement of WOLF and this is most certainly the case.

Edited August 9, 2009 by Arrnea

[Emperor Stranger]

So then why are you building a nice little buffer with 1/3 of the NS in TE, maybe more, around yourself? Im mainly criticizing TPF here. Take a look at their top nations and most of them have 0 casualties. RE and TF have fought. RE not the fairest wars, but at least it is something

There is no "buffer". To assume that is insulting for the smaller alliances like Orbit Black that signed it.

[Burning Glory]

umm... round 3 after TPF took a beating he vowed revenge against MHA for betraying him. I was pretty impressed that it actually happened. I'm sure we all remember the 1200 VS the 600. I still think he's a cool guy, and he's done a helluva lot better of a job at leading an alliance than I ever could.

you say the goal is to "solidify our position"? I read that as "infra hugging".

I've never said "we're screwed and all hope is lost", I just said it is pathetic it came to this and is going to make everything extremely boring for some time.

Everybody know your intentions, but I'm the only one with the cajones to tell it like it is

LOL! I may have been a bit upset that an AA that TPF battled to help defend for the first 2 rounds and again during the third round only to be betrayed, but i believe i said that what comes around goes around, and it did But that was round 3, this is round 6

Yeah, I was also on the 600 side. It wasn't really a clash of two blocs, it was one bloc with the majority of TE trying to destroy a group of 3 friends. I've been on the wrong side of all but one curbstomp, which was the one against MI in round 3. Wars are always more fun when the sides are relatively even. The intention of this is to make it nearly impossible for any opposition to rise up, hence why you arent telling us all the involved alliances. Power comes and goes. there is no way to solidify your position. You should be able to defend yourself without having to align most of the world behind you.

It was more than a group of 3 friends as there were other AA's, but yeah close enough.

I just think it is funny that its ok to be/have a bloc of 600 nation when your in the bloc,

but now that your not in it its a bad thing...hmmm, go figure.

BG.

[Burning Glory]

It has already been stated that all of the involved alliances are listed in the OP of the announcement of WOLF and this is most certainly the case.

Yes this is true, but there are other AA's not listed or in WOLF, that are friends of TPF and or the signatories of WOLF.

Thats what he is refering to.

BG.

[American Idle]

It was more than a group of 3 friends as there were other AA's, but yeah close enough.

I just think it is funny that its ok to be/have a bloc of 600 nation when your in the bloc,

but now that your not in it its a bad thing...hmmm, go figure.

It was pretty much the leftovers from the Judgement block that was formed the round before, MHA, RE, and GDA. The total was 600, including the few other alliances that jumped to our defense. Considering The Initiative bloc was twice as large, i'm not sure it was of much use. You don't even know where I am now. My TE identity is a secret.