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[quote name='Cyber Nationz' timestamp='1306032978' post='2716372'] Damn you Exodus, you took away my War Boner![/quote] You will just need to hold onto that War Wang for next time

[size="5"]Everybody Have Fun Tonight, Everybody Wang Chung Tonight[/size] SUN has apologized and all but 3mil of the requested reps have been paid. I feel this is more than adequate and call this disruption to our alliance business settled and closed. I would like to thank xYnOhTnAx for his help in this matter and for being the voice of reason in a time one should never have been needed. I wish SUN luck in their day to day dealings as an alliance and hope they will grow and prosper as we all strive to do. Signed for Exodus ironchef, Prophet of Exodus Edit: Oh and this is a brief statement, not a brief part of a flower from exodus

[quote name='USMC123' timestamp='1306020553' post='2716278'] My opinion on all of this: Initially setting punishment at PZI was stupid, ZI would have been more than enough, hell, for the crime committed, simple expulsion would have cut it. Being said, Exodus infringed on SUN's sovereignty by accepting someone on their ZI list in the first place, and should have had no real right to complain had SUN wanted to pursue him. It appears they reached an agreement to simply ZI him and let him go at any rate. Exodus should have just left it there instead of trying to pursue reps from SUN because they, themselves, screwed up. Whether or not SUN knew Elbarto, or whatever his name is, intended to join Exodus has no bearing on any of this. Exodus was in the wrong in the first place, and SHOULD have offered SUN something when they accepted Elbarto, whether it be some sort of reps for his freedom, or Elbarto himself. Ragnarok should have been more supportive of their protectorate in these matters, but on the same note, SUN should have taken Ragnarok's advise (which I ASSUME was to not PZI). SUN is not in the wrong here and IMO, it is freaking stupid they are paying reps. [/quote] You are wrong about the agreement reached My friend. This was the ageement reached the first nignt The aggrieved party, [i]the government member and founder told to suck his wang[/i] and Exodus. Logs edited to remove IP's and unneeded chit chat. If you would like a copy of full logs I would be happy to send them to you. [23:21] <xYnOhTnAx> i say u pm king james as he will be on in the morning [23:21] <xYnOhTnAx> i accept your apology [23:21] <xYnOhTnAx> and i am sorry for threatening you [23:21] <xYnOhTnAx> and i will also pm king james [23:22] <xYnOhTnAx> so we squared off? [23:22] <~ironchef> I just want this over with guys [23:22] <xYnOhTnAx> yeah it can go to bad but we both have made mistakes [23:22] <~ironchef> wars ended and peace in our time [23:22] <xYnOhTnAx> so we good? [23:22] <~ironchef> I'm good [23:22] <xYnOhTnAx> we should save our troops for a real war.. [23:23] <El_Barto|AWAY|> i agree xYnOhTnAx [23:23] <El_Barto|AWAY|> ya well [23:23] <xYnOhTnAx> ok with that said ill pm king james [23:24] <xYnOhTnAx> im not such a dickhead but i had 12 hour shift at work n no sleep [23:25] <El_Barto|AWAY|> awe [23:25] <xYnOhTnAx> [23:25] <xYnOhTnAx> well we good now? [23:25] <El_Barto|AWAY|> indeed [23:25] <xYnOhTnAx> glad to talk this through guys [23:25] <xYnOhTnAx> our war would have gotten both of us no where [23:27] <xYnOhTnAx> ok i pmed james [23:27] <~ironchef> thank you xYnOhTnAx [23:28] <xYnOhTnAx> no thank you [23:28] <xYnOhTnAx> got guerilla camps for no reason [23:28] <~ironchef> LOL [23:28] <xYnOhTnAx> just gonna back collect then [23:29] <xYnOhTnAx> barto i almost decided to sell my infa to lose ns [23:29] <xYnOhTnAx> lol [23:29] <El_Barto|AWAY|> lol [23:29] <El_Barto|AWAY|> i was worried botu that realy [23:29] <xYnOhTnAx> i know of one other person that did that [23:29] <El_Barto|AWAY|> lol [23:29] <xYnOhTnAx> n he nuked someone [23:29] <El_Barto|AWAY|> i was just worried about your exp getting me [23:29] <xYnOhTnAx> then bought his infa back [23:29] <El_Barto|AWAY|> other than that i cant say i was worried [23:29] <El_Barto|AWAY|> i must go [23:29] <El_Barto|AWAY|> thanks again ironchef [23:29] <El_Barto|AWAY|> and much love xYnOhTnAx [23:30] <xYnOhTnAx> bye bye [23:30] <xYnOhTnAx> well ic [23:31] <~ironchef> cyah around xYnOhTnAx [23:31] <xYnOhTnAx> yes cya bro As you can see it was over with a sorry and a hand shake as it should be done if your not a crazy megalomaniac. But morning came and King James wanted to push and shove. Exodus was told we could have ElBarto but with no infa as long as he was in CN. I will not be pushed, Exodus will not be pushed, and my members sure as hell will not be pushed. Had it been left at "Elbarto is a member of Exodus we would like you to stop attacks on this nation and he is willing to say sorry for the name calling" "I accept your apology" "Peace will be sent," we would not have gone to RoK to ask them to try and talk reason into their protectorate.

[quote name='Schattenmann' timestamp='1305913723' post='2715599'] If anyone knows incompetence its a former GGA triumvir. But seriously, get over it. You're gonna get your money which is more than you would have got from anyone but SUN. [/quote] Oh you. If I had not just had a snack I may have taken your bait.

[quote name='Swatch0' timestamp='1305893169' post='2715482'] As you have seen we have started to pay our reps [/quote] 76 members and it taken you 3 days now to move 4 slots of aid with 4 more to go. Hell even with only 45 members, Exodus could move 8 slots of aid in less than a day. So you are either stalling, or your completely incompetent. Which is it?

[quote name='lazaraus45' timestamp='1305747976' post='2714441'] Ragnarok: Unity and honour (except when under threat of a Duckroll attack) [/quote] At no time was there any threat made by DR. Why would there be? We have a treaty with one members of DR and had no intentions of involving them in this little tiff. RoK’s decision was based on the logs sent to them of our negotiations with SUN and the logs sent to us from SUN regarding the Wang incident. I also think the conversation they had with SUN about all this was also a factor but I was not involved in that so I can’t say for sure how that all went down. But you can be sure at no time was Valhalla asked to threaten or did threaten RoK during any of this mess.

[quote name='Jonathan Brookbank' timestamp='1305713092' post='2714258'] This is actually exactly like the same situation where you came after DirtyOldMan back when he joined The Dominion after leaving the GGA. Hypocrisy at its finest. [/quote] Well if anything I’m consistent JB. Two things we have in common because you are still an ass. Don’t even change.

[quote name='Schattenmann' timestamp='1305705581' post='2714241'] [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/FMnQv.png[/IMG] This is pretty easy to sort out: Click "search wars." Magic! You don't even have to think for yourself, the numbers tell you everything you need to know. SUN should tell Exodus exactly where they can find their "reps" (I find it physically impossible to need reparations for something that wasn't yours) and Exodus should find the wherewithall to try this without Daddy NSO standing behind them. [/quote] This was all over with the night of the attacks on our member. We asked that they give peace, Elbarto said sorry to the founder he told to do things to his wang and all was right with the world. Had SUN left it at that we would not be here today. But nooooooo they had to come back the next day and be all big and bad and tell us he was still going to be PZI'd and to stick it. Now if their own protectorate after seeing logs of all this felt SUN was in the wrong, why is it so hard for you to see? Hell in the first round of talkes yesterday even after we got told to shove it all we asked for was reps for the wars declared on him after he was on our AA and after we had been told there would be peace. SUN had to push it thinking big Daddy RoK would back their stupidity. If you think SUN has been unjustly treated and did nothing wrong why don’t you offer them a protectorate, I think they are still on the market for one. The two of you would fit well together. ps I love by big Daddy Valhalla and my big Daddy IAA just as much as big Daddy NSO so dont leave them out. I'm so lucky to have 3 Daddies.

[quote name='Dexomega' timestamp='1305698022' post='2714201'] This appears to be poorly handled by all parties, with the primary offenders being a select few in SUN Gov, the ZI target in question, and Exodus for so speedily accepting a member (despite any past history you had with him, that was too fast). The information in post #42 is incomplete and tells a sketchy and a bit hard to understand story. SUN Gov should have agreed on a course of action to begin with, and not confused it later on. Exodus accepted before the matter was even properly put to rest. The word of a single government member (regardless of position) guarantees nothing, something I know PAINFULLY well from my dealings with GOONS back in December. The ZI Target shouldn't have been a dick. Case closed. I don't begin to see where the need to give you 24 million comes into play. Hell, if that kind of damage was honest-to-god inflicted within a few hours (again, I take that this was over the course of several hours, your info is sketchy) someone needs to work on their defensive posturing. Bottomline: You can't blame this all on SUN, so don't try. You all screwed this up a bit, accept it. I feel the terms here are disproportionate, but alas, I'm not the moral compass for Exodus here. [/quote] 8 GA's 8 CM's 8 air attacks plus what he spent to fight back. I do not think 24mil is too much to ask. Oh and its not ZI it was PZI. And like I said he didnt just show up he had been planning to leave for days and they knew this as did we so it was not an OMG lets mask you as a members thing. His app was on our forum and he was masked as a member before the fist war. He had not set him AA to Exodus becaue he didnt know he had been masked on the forum. He came on to see he was being attacked by one nation and seen his mask so he set his AA to Exodus then he was attacked by two more membrs of SUN. As for the moral compass for Exodus. Its a good thing we have one or this would have gone much worse for SUN.

[quote name='Dexomega' timestamp='1305693894' post='2714164'] I'm wondering why exactly Exodus would admit a nation that is in a war (or two in this case). That's just poor recruitment practice. Personally I won't accept members until the wars are peaced, not a second sooner. But I'm just a lowly Cabinet advisor / Former Economics Minister / Former Tribune / Former temporary Recruitment Minister. What do I know. [/quote] Go read the my post #42 on this page. He was a member of Exodus at one time and came back to us. He told us and SUN he was goign back to Exodus before he ever told their founder to suck his wang and had his app in before one of the wars and was on our AA when the other two hit him. So good try but you have nothing sorry. edit added post #

[quote name='Il Impero Romano' timestamp='1305692617' post='2714153'] Si, makes a little more sense then the OP. War was probably more warranted then reps in my opinion, but that's just a personal preference. To each his own. [/quote] Oh my green god you have no idea. I was at the end of a 20 day sled come update with an itchy trigger finger. If not for cooler heads I would have had several of SUN’s on a spike outside my gates.

[quote name='shaneprice' timestamp='1305692053' post='2714149'] After reading this I am very surprised that I have managed to stay off everyone's EZI/PZI/UBERZI/what the heck ever ZI this is for, list... [/quote] I know. All day you are telling people to suck your wang. You are now added to my WangZI list.

[quote name='Il Impero Romano' timestamp='1305688282' post='2714101'] Then what was it? I mean, that's pretty much how the OP reads. ZI Sentance issued for stupid but personal reason --> Exodus accepts nation --> SUN pays reps. PZI is being thrown around but that is absent in the original rundown, seems like there is a piece missing. (only asking out of curiosity and boredom, don't actually care or anything) [/quote] <El_Barto> well my home Exodus is as trust worthy as it gets.... that is from the wang calling logs. I would post it all but its long and not all that good a read. I needed 2 cups of coffee to get it done. He said his home Exodus. That was about half way into the logs that ended with this <El_Barto> so you obviuosly dont know wtf your talkin about <xYnOhTnAx> u 12? <xYnOhTnAx> or 14? <El_Barto> no fool <xYnOhTnAx> fool? <xYnOhTnAx> whats ur ns? <Joe_Stupid> guys relax <xYnOhTnAx> ill show u fool *** El_Barto sets mode +b on xYnOhTnAx!*Mibbit@coldfront-8AEDE9F6.sd.sd.cox.net *** xYnOhTnAx has been kicked by El_Barto ([AND STAY OUT!!!]) So before he was kicked and put on the PZI list lol [i]I can’t say it without laughing [/i]they knew he was coming back to Exodsu. Then I get this query 20min after he was hit. [21:23] <King_James[SUN]-ZzZzz> hey ironchef I see you have excepted a new member by the name of El barro I am just letting you know he is on our Perm ZI list and he will not be removed he has insulted one of our founding fathers and then tried to run we have screen shots and I will be happy to showe them to you tomorrow when i get back on but for now Im just briefing you on the situation So we spent about 1 hr talking this out. Not King J but some guy form SUN how is only Gov in TE not SE but he didn’t tell me that until we had been at it for over 40min. however xYnOhTnAx was in the room and said he was happy with a sorry for calling you names and love was made and attacks should have ended then. Time stamp is US pst. [23:27] <xYnOhTnAx> ok i pmed james [23:27] <~ironchef> thank you xYnOhTnAx [23:28] <xYnOhTnAx> no thank you [23:28] <xYnOhTnAx> got guerilla camps for no reason [23:28] <~ironchef> LOL [23:28] <xYnOhTnAx> just gonna back collect then [23:29] <xYnOhTnAx> barto i almost decided to sell my infa to lose ns [23:29] <xYnOhTnAx> lol [23:29] <El_Barto|AWAY|> lol [23:29] <El_Barto|AWAY|> i was worried botu that realy [23:29] <xYnOhTnAx> i know of one other person that did that [23:29] <El_Barto|AWAY|> lol [23:29] <xYnOhTnAx> n he nuked someone [23:29] <El_Barto|AWAY|> i was just worried about your exp getting me [23:29] <xYnOhTnAx> then bought his infa back [23:29] <El_Barto|AWAY|> other than that i cant say i was worried [23:29] <El_Barto|AWAY|> i must go [23:29] <El_Barto|AWAY|> thanks again ironchef [23:29] <El_Barto|AWAY|> and much love xYnOhTnAx [23:30] <xYnOhTnAx> bye bye [23:30] <xYnOhTnAx> well ic [23:31] <~ironchef> cyah around xYnOhTnAx [23:31] <xYnOhTnAx> yes cya bro Next thing I know he is being hit by two more SUN members, oh joy more work over nothing. So today we had to do this all over again and it was pain in the ass. SUN was dead set on PZI and we wanted the attacks to stop and reps from the two nations that attacked after he was on our AA. Things fell all to !@#$ fast. This is what we got from SUN [13:41] <~Partisan[X]> peace out your wars and we can be done with this. [13:41] <LA[SUN|XBOX]> Once again i can not do that [13:42] <~Partisan[X]> well then, try talking some sense into the rest of your government [13:42] <Rayvon[NSO]> Of course not, he called your member a name. Honour and justice must prevail. [13:42] <~Partisan[X]> haha [13:42] <LA[SUN|XBOX]> LA[SUN|XBOX] I saw if you want el barto you can have him [13:42] <LA[SUN|XBOX]> i said you can have him, i did not say with infra [13:42] <ironchef> oh wow [13:42] <~Partisan[X]> Take his infra and we'll take yours. [13:43] <ironchef> you want to do this [13:43] * Rayvon[NSO] facepalms [13:43] <ironchef> you realy want to do this [13:43] <Rayvon[NSO]> This is silly [13:43] <~Partisan[X]> It is [13:43] <LA[SUN|XBOX]> I told you [13:43] <ironchef> because I have no issue with going that route You don’t pull this if you don’t have the sack to back it up. As soon as logs had been given to RoK they had a little talk with SUN and SUN was still being mentally handicapped. Well they ran all over CN looking for alliances to support their little cause but any alliance with half a brain would not help them and on top of that they lost their baby sitter. So they come to us to see how to keep from being blow all to hell and we told them pay reps for the attacks and say you are sorry for being so stupid. And here we are. All this over some name calling. This is for any alliance leaders out there with thin skin..... STEP DOWN!!!!! Give the job to someone less emo and save your alliance and your allies a lode of trouble.

[quote name='porksaber' timestamp='1305681319' post='2713974'] Well, in addition to the awesome use of the preposition, this is pretty epic because it seems to indicate that to you it seems like an awesome idea to simply kick your protectorate to the curb instead of, you know, actually defending them? I mean, you're gov of ROK, Bob! Can't you use your influence and impeccable communication skills to broker peace and teach them by example? You're just gonna let em float to the surface? That's not right! At least wait till they're out of hot water before you pull the plug on em. This is the embodiment of honor! [/quote] They are not in hot water. At one time they got into deep !@#$ but talks took place, terms give and accepted, and RoK stood by them until it was done. Now they no longer want to deal with an alliance that by now should have its act together. They are not baby fresh like you make it sound. Over 70 members and 269 days old is not a new alliance. If they don’t get how it’s done by now there is no alliance in the cyberverse that can help them.

Thank you RoK. I wish SUN the best and hope they can get their house in order soon or life will not be easy for them in this world.

[img]http://www.afreshentertainmentmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/llama-drama.jpg[/img] Now its going to be malnourished. Good job Mogar

I'm goign to send a case of this to RIA because I know their going to need it. [img]http://essentialpalace.com/Cream/face-palm-hand-cream.jpg[/img]

[quote name='ShouAS' timestamp='1305587168' post='2713168'] Don't people complain that this game is losing players? I would think that something as idiotic as a PZI would be detrimental in the general effort to keep people playing this game. Also congrats you have lured me out of lurking and into posting something for the first time on these forums. [/quote] That is why any alliance worth a !@#$ will not use PZI. Its somthing that has not been done for a long long time now. Gotham opend this can of fail soda and will now have to drink it up.

[quote name='Varianz' timestamp='1305585453' post='2713126'] Good luck with that [/quote] Another one to add to your list Varianz. That would be a hell of a lineup my friend. If you get all 3 of them I will give you 100 tech

[quote name='Delta1212' timestamp='1305584830' post='2713108'] Mm, what exactly are your plans? [/quote] To take “He who must not be named” name in vane and make Helena's head explode

[quote name='JayBooker' timestamp='1305583079' post='2713073'] [b]As Gov member he was trust not to commit such crime and should be persecuted[/b] . [/quote] And what crime would that be? We all want to know what would get us put on your PZI list.

PZI is a bit over the top. Who are you to say who can and can’t have a nation here? This is no longer the dark ages

[quote name='Fokker Aeroplanbau' timestamp='1305415917' post='2711899'] Haha, oh $%&@. [/quote] Yep dont know how you got hold of this old thing. [img]http://www.woosk.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/zero.gif[/img]

[quote name='ckmanero' timestamp='1305339440' post='2711588'] Too bad NSO sucks. Exodus, I would rethink this treaty. [/quote] Well people say we suck as well. However when we found out they swallow we knew this treaty was a keeper.

[quote name='New Frontier' timestamp='1305257417' post='2711120'] I have no doubt that GGA took a lot of "intiative diplomaticly" during its prime, but I think you'll be able to join me in noting that for the majority of its existence it was an absolutely horrible alliance that did little by itself and even went so far as to remove government members for daring to question the Almighty Pacifica. [/quote] You try way to hard. It was one government member Jonathan Brookbank and there was sooooooo much more to it than that. However this is not the place or time for that discussion. So o/us and o/NSO cause we got a thinggggg goin oooooon