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[quote name='Drai' timestamp='1313030619' post='2777162'] He didn't actually spread rumours about MJ gunning for PB, he said he believed MJ had a bone to pick with DH (and no evidence to back it up as of yet). Whether or not his intention was to create tension is up for people to decide. [/quote] Either way, someone had pb on their hit list, allegedly. This is a direct threat to pb itself. Personally I would like to see the logs because that's not what Ardus said.

[quote name='WarriorConcept' timestamp='1313027003' post='2777107'] SF is acting aggressively towards us? How so? [/quote] If you believe Ardus, [b]Xiph spread the rumors about Mjolnir gunning for Pandora's Box (not true)[/b]. Xiph also [b]spread rumors that MK was looking to sign a treaty with Dark Templar (which is apart of Mjolnir).[/b] This means that someone is playing games. It could be Xiph or it could be Ardus. Looking at Xiph’s history, I believe that it is Xiph. He has a history of paranoid behavior (controlling allies by who they are treated with). To be fair, it could be Ardus attempting to pour gas into the general dislike for sf. I don’t see this as being likely because he would have to lie so many times that it would be very difficult to keep his story straight. This is why I believe Ardus. I’m only human, I can make mistakes. I don’t think I have made a mistake here. Either way, someone is playing head games which only means war is coming one way or another. Everything Must Die *bolded words are direct qoutes

[quote name='IYIyTh' timestamp='1313021099' post='2777034'] I might agree with you if of all of the alliances on these boards the past few months, the SF ones had been the most aggressive. At any rate, it's pretty clear how Ardus feels about Mjolinor, there's really no way to spin it. [/quote] I think me and you can agree that it is possible to like alliance in a bloc that you (generally) dislike. In the most recent conflict, most of the alliance in Mj fought on the opposite side. Mj does wield power and pb/dh/allies aren't invincible. "Keep your friends close, keep your enemies closer." I won't go as far as to call them enemies, but they have fought on opposite sides before which is a bit unnerving. This is what I think Ardus meant by stating [b]I plan on a world where Mjolnir's influence is nominal, even with a hard earned military victory.[/b] He later stated [b]I don't plan on starting a war. But I want to be as ready as possible for when one breaks out, as it inevitably will.[/b] Basically, hope for the best, prepare for the worst. This is being a good/solid alliance leader because you have to look at the storm clouds as they appear and prepare for the lightening that is sure to follow.

[quote name='Dajobo' timestamp='1313018640' post='2777005'] My favourite line was "I plan on a world where Mjolnir's influence is nominal, even with a hard earned military victory." Way to tell a whole bloc you want them to burn for you and will reward them with not much. The real moment of glory will be when we see if Mj are happy to be super meatshields for MK's desire to stay in power. [/quote] I see you are courageous It's not being meat shields when sf is acting aggressively against pb/dh/allies. PB/DH/Allies will be affected too if sf wants to roll pb/dh/allies. It's really just looking after the common good for people in pb/dh/ and allies.

[quote name='Raken' timestamp='1313015868' post='2776984'] Who would be bold enough to pre-emptive attack in this game? [/quote] Not many alliance have the balls to pre-emp as seen by how long it takes for wars to develop Its just shows that sf is acting aggressively towards pb, dh, and allies. That being said, I see more of a cb for pb, dh, and allies for the aggressive behavior exhibited by sf. Call me crazy, you might be right. Ardus, assuming quote is true, said it best when he stated [b][We] cannot abide Xiph's lying, posturing, and candor anymore[/b]. If sf resolve is strong to act aggressively against pb, dh, and allies, we must prepare for the inevitable conflict that is bound to happen. Its sf putting allies against allies, it's not our doing. In the end, I hope allies understand this because in the end, that's all that matters.

[quote name='Chief Savage Man' timestamp='1313014949' post='2776968'] Kwell, why are you telling everybody that your warchest is 10% of our minimum? We can't have people knowing the hype is baseless. [/quote] It's to let them think we are vulnerable and trick people into dow

Muh, not new information. Basic politics that every alliance plays; at least, assuming its true, Ardus reasoning is sound. Besides, who really wants to be allied to someone who tells you who they will allow you to be allied with? This going to be a fun, long war. FYI, 3 billion warchest and counting. I'm in it for the long haul, ARE YOU?

Will 64 digits respond to this attack with their odp? Either way, cheers to Non Grata showing Legion how to defend its sovereignty

[quote name='Methrage' timestamp='1312684819' post='2773943'] I think they consider the red sphere to be trade partners, making it best for alliances on the same color to work together for mutual benefit. They don't control red or have any obligations to protect every nation on red from attack, although an attack on the red sphere in the past has always been seen as a legitimate CB in the past if they want to use it. Considering FAN jumped out and attacked NPO first chance they got after NPO was done completing terms for the Karma War, NPO was sort of proven right that FAN would attack them again. [/quote] I wasn't talking about now, I was talking about 2007-2008ish, the Moldovi doctrine (or something like that, to lazy to look it up). The apology thread didn't cover reasons behind their action. It could be as simple as "because we could pull it off" or was there more to it. And, Methrage you aren't part of NPO, so hush. Fan hit NPO as a result of their action. Yes, NPO apologized. They didn't explain what caused it (unless I am mistaken).

Can you offer an explanation or a general reason behind holding fan at war for over a year or declaring sovereignty over the red sphere? Yes, I am aware you are not government so you can't offer an apology. All I want is the "NPO Side or story."

What was your biggest mistake as an individual alliance and as a bloc? What was your greatest achievement as an individual alliance and as a bloc?

Personally, I would like more of a challenge : D Peace mode warriors don't produce good fireworks

I knew about this weeks ago I'm glad to see it finally announced

[quote name='PhysicsJunky' timestamp='1312405548' post='2771140'] It just happened to be a name that was tossed out at the time that didn't meet with much objection. Créole groups are mixed societies taking hold of various qualities from their originating cultures. Seemed to fit pretty well. Outside of our flag and the title of this thread I don't think we've ever given much thought to the theme. It also had a unique character, which serves some purpose if you want to keep off the radar. I'm sorry I don't have anything more profound to contribute. We're sort of stuck with it now. While we appreciate that mythos, I don't think we've ever tried to hide the fact most of us couldn't find where we last placed our sticks before the battle is over. [/quote] Sometimes all you need to do is put on some glasses : P

[quote name='chefjoe' timestamp='1312404708' post='2771131'] now you can go back to 2 more 'fun' filled years of being irrelevant and isolated.......yay? [/quote] Irrevelvant and isolated? Psh, they don't need treaties when they have a 109,000 average ns. They would give most of the top ten some trouble in a 1 vrs 1. "speak softly but carry a big stick"

[quote name='PhysicsJunky' timestamp='1312402960' post='2771117'] [center][img]http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/1050/creoleshield.jpg[/img][/center] It's quite possible you've never heard of us, and we're generally okay with that. We are, after all, one of those do nothing alliances that sits around collecting statistics. That said we're a happy bunch of retired farts and disbanding would require far too much work, if not a quorum. We skipped announcing our first anniversary, our eventual appearance on the alliance listings, and we've kept most of our statistic related dueling with The Order of the Black Rose to private channels. There is however a growing opinion that things that don't get announced publicly aren't official, so we'd like to go ahead and enter the following into the public record : We've been having a blast since you last heard from us August 3rd, 2009. Best Regards, [size="5"][font="Palatino Linotype"][i]Créole[/i][/font][/size] [/quote] Those are some sexy stats and thats saying something coming from Umbrella : )

[quote name='Methrage' timestamp='1312403433' post='2771122'] I agree there are to many of these threads, but I thought this one was pretty funny regardless. Good to see some Non Grata have a sense of humor, I've seen a lot of you post in here I don't normally see who aren't bad. [/quote] To be fair, I just like to see things blow up : D

I propose 1 or 2 rounds of war : D

[quote name='Zoomzoomzoom' timestamp='1312389833' post='2770995'] Very original. [/quote] We should just roll him : ) He acted aggressively, 64 digits will drop their treaty : )

[quote name='Methrage' timestamp='1312350512' post='2770793'] Maybe if someone of a government position to make those decisions disagrees, with whether an alliance is clear from wrong doing by expelling the government member responsible for giving the CB, then I'll bring up some examples. Although I don't think anyone who has been government in a major alliance for long would disagree with me on that. If Fark decides not go to war over it, that would be them choosing not to use a valid CB. [/quote] Truthfully, it doesn't matter. Everything is relative to the situation at hand; this situation is a member of NG gov went against general consensus of NG's other gov by notifying IRON of something that hadn't even been voted on. Some alliance take offence to sovereignty. In this case, NG sovereignty was violated by Cynic for his "war mongering" in which other gov members disagreed with, and had voted against. Fark, saw it as just Cynic going rogue once they talked to NG's other gov members. Action was taking against cyncic. End of story. "War mongering" is a justified cb if a majority of gov members agreed. In this case, they didn't.

[quote name='Methrage' timestamp='1312349623' post='2770787'] That has never flew as reason the alliance isn't responsible in the past, the alliance is responsible for the actions of their gov. The alliance can't put all the responsibility on one person to resolve them of responsibility, every alliance tries that if they think they will lose. [/quote] Really? Please enlighten me.

[quote name='Methrage' timestamp='1312349235' post='2770784'] I agree Cynic was being stupid to make another of these topics, but he was top level gov in Non Grata posting a public spy report they did on Fark. That's far more of a CB than anyone uses for anything anymore, but always stuck as a solid CB regardless of what happens afterward or was agreed on before. So this is the best CB Fark will have before the next time they fight a war to honor a treaty due to someone else declaring somewhere. It would be a shame if Cynic's efforts go to waste here, with what he's giving Fark and allies right now. [/quote] That would be true if NG hadn't kicked him out and declared him rogue. Since its not, nice try, no cigar.

[quote name='Methrage' timestamp='1312344600' post='2770745'] This fixiation on wanting to roll SOS Brigade, who is allied to RIA who is allied to Fark, just further proves why Fark would be a fool to wait for NG's side to call the shots in any war to come. [/quote] Did you even consider that maybe we wouldn't want to roll Fark or Ria? Making assumptions makes an *** out of you and me. [quote name='Methrage' timestamp='1312347120' post='2770764'] Why don't you stop trying to prevent a war on a topic that has already been settled? It being made public means any previous agreement on how to settle it doesn't matter, unless both alliances agree its been settled. I'm just responding to responses to my initial opinion now that I've given it. [/quote] If you feel so strongly, why don't you do something about it? After all, EVERYTHING MUST DIE : D

[quote name='FeaR_LeSs' timestamp='1312343511' post='2770721'] He should get an A- for effort to say the least, don't you agree? [/quote] You’re being generous. I would say the screen shots were a solid B because it lacked quality material.

[quote name='Cynic' timestamp='1312337644' post='2770625'] I thank you for your support. While the word "sabotage" is a little strong I did tell IRON about NG's plans to roll SOS if RIA dropped their treaty. Why? NG sure as hell wasn't going to tell them. Actually iirc the damn near exact words were "Lets not ruin our PR until we get the IRON and NoR treaties signed since FOK and PB are cloudy as to where they would stand in war" or something to that effect. Of course those would be the screenshots everyone is referring to. EDIT: I must add I did just "inform" NAH who the said he would appreciate the SS NG was in no way going to get rolled for what I did. So theres one issue with your theory. As for the singular ZI... I beg to differ. In fact King Xander nor any other member of NG government will actually give an answer. -snip [/quote] Dude, quit talking. You can't honestly expect not to get zi'd (and hopefully eternal zi) for leaking this info. It’s a violation of inner alliance trust. There wasn't a need to tell Iron yet. Discussing an alliance opinion on the matter should be addressed before telling an ally. As screen shots show, NG didn't want to roll sos yet. You took it on yourself to try to force it anyways against other govs approval. This means you are a rogue who not only jeopardized NG's safety, but you breached alliance trust and alliance security. You deserve what ever comes to you. Will you learn from this? That remains to be seen. I won't lie, drama would be nice. I am tired of collecting taxes and paying bills. Although, I am liking my tech shipments coming in : D