LiquidMercury

[quote][center][img]http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e107/PabloPerotti/CN/thehive.jpg[/img] [b][size=200]The Order of the Grämlins proudly present "The Hive"[/size][/b] [url=http://www.redcorona.com/cn/gremlins_forum/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=573%20][b][size=150]Register[/size][/b][/url] [quote][size=120]Charter of The Hive[/size] [b]I. Purpose[/b] The Hive shall exist as a collection of nations who wish to learn the Grämlins way of life. These nations will receive guidance and assistance from the Grämlins, and through their experience and endeavour become strong, self-reliant and suitable for membership. [b]II. Membership[/b] 1. Membership of The Hive is open to all nations in request, as long as such nation is not: - a current declared enemy of Grämlins - a current declared enemy of an alliance in good standing with Grämlins - previously expelled from The Hive - vetoed by the Governor or the Grämlins Conclave 2. Members of The Hive must: - fly the alliance affiliation 'The Hive' - have a confirmed forum account on the forums of The Grämlins - agree to be bound by this Charter 3. A member nation may choose to resign from The Hive at any time, as long as they do not have outstanding war orders. 4. Membership of The Hive may be revoked at any time by the Governor or the Grämlins Conclave. 5. Upon leaving The Hive, a nation must make arrangements to pay back any debt accrued during its time in The Hive. [b]III. Governance[/b] 1. The Hive will be run by a Governor, appointed by the Grämlins. 2. Governors may resign, or be removed by the Grämlins Conclave, at any time. Should a Governor leave the Grämlins, he will be taken to have resigned his governorship. A replacement will be appointed by the Grämlins. 3. The Governor has complete jurisdiction over The Hive affairs, as long as their actions are valid under this Charter. 4. The Governor may, at their discretion, create any number of internal positions and appoint members of The Hive to such positions, in order to assist them in their duties. [b]IV. Jurisdiction and Autonomy[/b] 1. The Hive is an autonomous region of the Grämlins. Thus, an attack on The Hive is an attack on the Grämlins and will be responded to accordingly. 2. The Hive may not sign militarily binding pacts with other alliances. 3. The Hive may, at the discretion of the Governors, choose to opt out of aggressive wars conducted by the Grämlins. 4. The Hive may not declare war except as part of a Grämlins operation. [b]V. Assistance[/b] 1. The purpose of The Hive is to assist nations with their material and political strength. Thus the Grämlins will provide The Hive with certain documents about nation building, military matters and other important information. 2. The Hive nations will be provided with opportunities to sell technology. 3. The Hive nations will be given access to loans from the Grämlins Bank in order to facilitate nation building. Nations which accept such loans will be advised in the most effective use of them. 4. The Governor, and at their discretion other Grämlins, will provide individual assistance with respect to nation building, military strategy and miscellaneous other matters that may arise. 5. In order to best be able to provide assistance, the Grämlins membership will have access to The Hive boards. 6. Member nations will be eligible for any Grämlins trade programmes, or bilateral or multilateral trade programmes to which the Grämlins subscribe. [b]VI. Graduation[/b] 1. Nations which are deemed to have been successful members of The Hive will be permitted to undertake the Grämlins application process even if they do not fit the requirements. In particular, successful membership of the Hive will count as a vouch for the purposes of securing an application. [b]VII. Amendments[/b] This charter may be amended by the same procedure as Addendums to the Grämlins Charter. LiquidMercury, Praetor BobJanova, Judicator Sakura, Executor [/quote] [img]http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e107/PabloPerotti/CN/hive.jpg[/img] [i][b][size=150]The Hive because it just adds up[/size][/b][/i][/center][/quote]

So....someone should kill AH?

[quote name='WorldConqueror' timestamp='1312028940' post='2767608'] Yes, because that was the point of my post. I said he tried, not that he did. Whereas under other leadership, Gre liked to talk big and do $%&@ all. [/quote] WC, I'm a bit confused. Last I checked Gre, before Ramlins, was at the epicenter of karma, which was about using a bit of moralistic might and not all talk yes?

Schatt, I think you are mistaken as to what this bloc is, what it's going to do, and in what manner it might approach things. To be quite honest, I think TOP, Gre, and Argent in particular learned a lot from our experiences within Citadel, what worked for a bloc, what didn't, how to assuage the decisions of some alliance versus the good of the bloc and various other intricacies that most undoubtedly will be presented at some point in time. While I do not consider Citadel to be a failed experiment, it did indeed allow us to become who we are today, through mistakes made, and define what each and every one of us defines as our policies regarding blocs and how to act. I think you might be pleasantly surprised at how things will all turn out. As the saying goes, "please Gre, don't betray TOP!" I believe our independent thought processes, not just as a bloc, but as individual alliances, and individual people will allow us to move forward in a way that is agreeable to all of us in the bloc, not simply being the whipping boy of any one alliance. I can say without a doubt that the major point for us as a group was bloc supremacy and doing things unanimously. Don't let your dislike of some individuals, allow your vision to be clouded in judgement. You're better than that.

[quote name='eyriq' timestamp='1311896835' post='2766484'] Interesting thoughts Schatt. At the heart of it this bloc aims to be a synthesis of each AA's passions and agendas. Or in other words, an armadillo flying on a platypus with freaking light sabers and a dragon wings. [/quote] IT'S NOT A FRICKEN ARMADILLO. GO WATCH THE MOVIE.

[quote name='HeroofTime55' timestamp='1311888925' post='2766416'] Nobody is asking you to be a white knight. It's just expected that if you're going to wave an banner of moralism of any color, that you won't seat yourself next to alliances who are almost universally regarded as immoral, spiteful jackholes. Not PF necessarily, but the groups that are attached at the hip to PF. You don't have to be a white knight, but that doesn't mean you automatically have to be a black knight. But I guess a quick ticket to power is just too appealing, eh? Congrats on being the latest tool of DH/PB. [/quote] Attached at the hip? I fail to see this. Yes some alliances have OTP, but the main fact is that this bloc has less OTP than any other bloc and ultimately is tied to less power structures. I think we did a pretty good job gathering alliances of like-mindedness that have minimal OTP. Add that to the fact that these alliances are much more independent in thought than the multitude of alliances out there that simply tag along because their friends are and again I fail to see how we are so closely tied to PB/DH, or anyone for that matter.

[quote name='deathcat' timestamp='1311826807' post='2765922'] Congrats to the Phat Frat boys! Also, I like LM's war flag [/quote] Can't take credit it for the actual flag, just the idea. Inferno is the artist. Also new spam game on all forums "What does PF mean?"

[quote name='AlmightyGrub' timestamp='1311825167' post='2765900'] We have already danced on Citadel's. You will never have the pleasure of dancing on ours.... Polaris is immortal. [/quote] We? As in the community? Citadel went by the wayside for issues completely unrelated to polaris. Last I checked citadel did a bit of dancing on you once before.

[quote name='Jaiar' timestamp='1311820698' post='2765839'] Please update the OP with total NS of the bloc and feel free to also include average NS, nuke totals, WRC totals, etc. Yes, I do not want to do it myself or maybe it will be updated the bloc race thread or something. Strong grouping here of high NS nations. EDIT: just saw the spreadsheets posted a few posts above mine. [/quote] NS: Lots ANS: Higher than other blocs Nukes: Lots WRC Totals: Lots Lazyness factor: Highest, I'm not going to go research these things.

[quote name='DevastationStation' timestamp='1311816543' post='2765751'] Nooooo, I had such hope for 11.11.11! However, the epicness of this announcement does make up for it, well done friends and allies. o/ I look forward to Polished Franks saving us all. [/quote] Who says 11.11.11 won't be epic?

[quote name='kwell' timestamp='1311816045' post='2765737'] Thats pretty sexy : D o/ pillow fort ps. Is that a gramlin riding an amadillo with wings while holding 2 light sabers? lol [/quote] Platypus and he's supposed to be breathing fire.

[quote name='Dom Zak' timestamp='1311815566' post='2765719'] I honestly love every member of this bloc. Including LM o/ PF [/quote] Aww I love you too. o/ Private Flounders

/o Primitive Fish War flag? [img]http://i635.photobucket.com/albums/uu76/LiquidMercury18/PillowFort.jpg[/img]

[center][img]http://i638.photobucket.com/albums/uu110/JackShepardLostIsland/PF.jpg[/img][/center] [center][i][size=5]The Ordinary Men Fighting Giants, The Order of the Paradox, the Basketball Ninjas, Argent and the Grämlins proudly present:[/size][/i] [i][size=4]… a PF bloc production…[/size][/i] [i][size=3]A very short time ago, in a galaxy that really isn’t very far away at all…[/size][/i] [img]http://i638.photobucket.com/albums/uu110/JackShepardLostIsland/PFP1.gif[/img] [img]http://i638.photobucket.com/albums/uu110/JackShepardLostIsland/PFP2.gif[/img] [/center] [quote] [center][size=3][b]The Project Mayhem Accords[/b][/size][/center] Treaty Supremacy I. All signatories pledge to keep and hold this treaty as their highest foreign-affairs priority. II. In the event that a signatory’s defense obligations to an outside treaty partner conflict with those owed to this treaty, the latter will take priority in every event. III. In the event that an alliance with whom any signatory holds a treaty should attack another signatory to this treaty, the treaty with said alliance must be canceled forthwith. IV. Signatories are prohibited from maintaining simultaneous membership in any bloc treaty that contains mutual defense, mutual aggression, non-aggression, or mandatory intelligence-sharing clauses of any sort. Intelligence I. Each signatory is required to share immediately, with all other signatories, any information that may certainly or merely possibly pertain to the safety of any signatory or to that of the military-level treaty partner of any signatory. II. Each signatory is required to render significant advance notice to the other signatories of interest in signing a treaty with an outside alliance. This shall allow time for a group discussion on the matter. While results of said discussion shall tender no legal obligation to the signatory in question, the signatory is highly encouraged to make said results a prime consideration in its decision on whether or not to pursue said treaty relationship, and in which form to do so. III. In order to ensure operational security, each signatory pledges to limit any privileged knowledge to the minimum practicable number of members within its alliance. The High Standards of OPSEC within the bloc is maintained within the best judgements of the individual allied governments. Military Action I. Mutual Defense. [indent]A. Direct military action against any signatory shall be considered an attack upon all signatories. B. For the purpose of defensive obligations, this treaty shall not chain. However, signatories have the option to respond to “chain into” another signatory’s war should they desire to do so. [/indent] II. Mutual Aggression [indent]A. Should any signatory initiate military action against an outside alliance, the other signatories are not required to follow suit. However, they may do so should they desire. [/indent] III. Bloc Military Procedure [indent]A. In case of independent military action by any signatory, 48 hours` prior notice must be presented to the other signatories. B. In order to determine bloc behavior as regards independent military action by any signatory, a vote shall be held amongst the signatories. [indent]1. In case of a unanimous vote in favor of the military action in question by all signatories, the declaration of war shall be issued as a bloc announcement. In this event, all wartime decisions and all peace talks with the opposition shall be conducted as a bloc. 2. In case of a majority vote in favor of the military action in question, the declaration of war shall not be a bloc announcement; however, it will be considered a bloc-sanctioned action, complete with declarations of support from those signatories who choose to not involve themselves. 3. In case of a vote that does not produce a majority in favor of the military action in question, the declaration of war shall be considered solely the realm of the alliance(s) involved. This shall not, however, suggest that the action is opposed by the bloc. 4. In case of a vote of only the requesting signatory voting in favor and all remaining signatories voting against military action request, the alliance in question shall abstain from the planned military action. 5. Any alliance not casting a vote within the allotted time-span shall be considered to be in support of the action in question. [/indent][/indent] Treaty Membership I. Any signatory may withdraw from the treaty twenty-four hours after presenting to the other signatories a notice of intent to that effect. [indent]A. Withdrawal from the treaty will establish between the signatories and the former signatory a seven-day period of non-aggression, this period beginning exactly twenty-four hours after the presentation of the signatory’s notice of intent. B. Alliances are prohibited from withdrawing from the treaty while involved in a bloc-wide military action (one unanimously voted in favor of). Only by unanimous approval of the other signatories may an exception be made.[/indent] II. Expulsion of a signatory may be accomplished by a unanimous vote of all signatories (excepting the target signatory). [indent]A. A seven-day period of non-aggression shall exist between the remaining signatories and the target of expulsion, this period beginning the moment the expulsion vote succeeds.[/indent] III. New signatories may be admitted to the treaty via a unanimous vote in favor by all existing signatories. IV. Signatory OTPs [indent]A. All future defense-level treaties enacted by signatories must be non-chaining.[/indent] V. For any alliance seeking to become a signatory, the introduction of non-chaining clauses into existing defense-level treaties will be a condition of entry. VI. Joint Treaties [indent]A. Joint treaties with outside alliances may be enacted via unanimous vote of the signatories. [indent]1. Joint treaties shall exist as if the signatories were together a single entity: all actions pertaining to the treaties will be jointly decided upon by the signatories. 2. Joint treaties may be canceled by a vote of one-half-plus-one of the signatories. [/indent][/indent] Amendment and Dissolution I. Amendments to this text may be achieved via a unanimous vote of all signatories. II. Dissolution of this treaty may be achieved via a 75-percent majority vote.[/quote] [center]Signed into being on this 27th day July, 2011, [b][i]For Argent,[/i][/b] Janax, Emperor Rustynail, Regent Poobah, Minister of Foreign Affairs [b][i]For the Ordinary Men Fighting Giants[/i][/b] Kill Joy, Chieftain Calderone, Pathfinder Autosave36, Pochtecatl Jedaye DaGeordie, Drunken Elder [b][i]For the Basketball Ninjas,[/i][/b] Jack Shepard, President of Basketball Operations [b][i]For the Grämlins[/i][/b] LiquidMercury, Praetor HellAngel, Executor Bob Janova, Judicator [b][i]For The Order of the Paradox,[/i][/b] Richard Rahl, Grand Master WalkerNinja, Grand Chancellor Zac the Sage, Grand Hospitaller[/center]

Fair well friend.

[quote name='supercoolyellow' timestamp='1309493070' post='2745619'] Was hoping for pillow fort [/quote] Yah no. I refuse to be in anything with a stupid name like that. Now if we called it "castle greyskull" than yah, maybe I'd say cool, drag Gre into it, arrange for a coalition to form surrounding it, and cause another glorious war....but like I said, pillowfort is a retarded name.

I actually did know this coming (cause I'm cooler than Crymson). Cheers to both parties, definitely a meeting of two quality sets of people.

Nothing major, no huge war coalitions, no coups, nothing terribly of interest, sorry all. Just a notification that our new public channel is: #gremlins on coldfront.net I will be restricting access to #cn-gremlins shortly. Regards, LM Praetor

Much appreciated brothers and sisters of paradox.

Syz was a former member/founder. Hyperbad, you'll come to realize when dealing with us that we've never really been ones to go out and tell everyone what we're doing or explain everything we do. What we do, we do because we feel it is right and in line with our principals. You asked what the older Gre members would feel about this and I'd say this statement, that is from old members, members that were here from the beginning, is truly what we feel. We feel as though our home was destroyed and invaded. An infestation if you will. We are simply taking our home back. Sometimes you can't pass judgement from a single moment and you'll need to simply weigh an alliances measure over time. We will hold to the principals of old, ones of honorable intent, and let our merits and actions dictate the cyberverse' opinion of us. Again I know it's vague, but you're question really comes down to "are you guys going to suck or are you going to be cool?" All of our opinions are going to be biased of course in that we believe we will suck and be overlording tyrants of the world that none have ever seen. If you're interested in finding out who we are, feel free to come chat with us in our channel as that median is a bit more productive. If you're looking for a specific answer to "what are your principals" go look up our previous codex as that is about the most definitive answer you'll have on the question of "what was Grämlins, what did they stand for?"

[quote name='Hyperbad' timestamp='1305502783' post='2712438'] This is a curious question because it raises others in my mind out of personal ignorance. How would the Gramlins of old feel about this should they not be involved? How will this version of the Gramlins' future policy be established or carried out? Is consistency in action be sought or hypocracy the word? [/quote] We are The Grämlins of old. Many in this group were here from the beginning, and are the ones often associated with what name "The Grämlins" truly represents. We will continue our policies of old.

[quote name='Daimos' timestamp='1303329090' post='2694807'] Competence? Hardly unique. A lot of competent alliance out there. I doubt you will sign a treaty with all of them. MK and TOP is a treaty to pacify a threat from each other. NPO and Legion treaty is not base on that. [/quote] No, Q was a treaty to pacify threats and consolidate power, in particular Gremlins and NPO at the time. MK and TOP was honestly a logical treaty truly based on two communities that were much more similar than different. I personally always pushed for a MK treaty or better relations pre-biPolar because I knew both groups quite well and knew they'd get along well. Both have a strong sense of independence, quality of membership, and are a bit more mature than the avg (yes I actually called MK mature) capable of discussion past the "No U" and other garbage that passes as alliance "friendship" and better relations. Standard route: Alliance 1: OMG I your guyz is awesome o/ Alliance 2: o/ to you too, you guyz rawk! Alliance 1: I think I like you Alliance 2: I like you too Treaty gets signed TOP/MK Route: MK: Screw you TOP: Screw you TOP: Pre-emp MK: Tricky moves and interesting propoganda that even TOP will laugh at that also happens to generate quality discussion TOP: Great at war, see's that MK is great at war, mutual respect MK: Discussion of all things awesome TOP: Q&A that generates a lot of discussion, argument, meeting of the minds MKonTOP: Treaty Fact is we have two communities dedicated to preserving ideals and beliefs that are similar that actually like each other instead of the mindless discussion of what is considered politics that passes in many places. Lastly, I'll say it again, it's not a treaty to nullify a mutual threat, heck if either one of us ever had an issue with each other that was big enough we'd cancel the treaty and blow each other up again, none of us fear losing the pixels.

[quote name='Schattenmann' timestamp='1293121841' post='2551681'] Are you doing 3/100 or 3/50? [/quote] 3/100, don't ya know I started all these wars to make more sellers.... Send tech, receive aid, or vice versa. If I have an open slot anyone can initiate a deal. [quote name='Lord Fingolfin' timestamp='1293123923' post='2551700'] but in the end I'd rather have him on my side. My .02 [/quote] Much appreciated. I of course am happy to plan any war with you as well.

[quote name='Thegloved1' timestamp='1292891369' post='2547230'] Just a thought...not hiding under some other or a made up AA when the chips are down might be a good place to start. [/quote] You're doin it all wrong man.

[quote name='Alterego' timestamp='1292870782' post='2546782'] and this time its personal? [/quote] Indeed. Got to finish what I started.