Rayvon

[quote name='suryanto tan' timestamp='1357053712' post='3070131'] [b]It may do us better if you quote my post and answer what need to be answered.[/b] Otherwise we are chasing our tails running in circle. It is a waste of both of our time. About the delay, time zone and etc, really, we are not in hurry of anything, neither are you. This is not really that urgent so I prefer to use the private message over IRC chat. I prefer to reach the peace settlement step by step and carefully so that every little bit that matter is properly weighted out and carefully think through. We are not in press of time, are we? It does not hinder the peace talk should it happens. It just slow it down a bit. Take it easy. Be patient. Happy New Year, Varianz. [/quote] One place we can start, since you want me to quote your post, is right here in your recent response to Brehon. [quote name='suryanto tan' timestamp='1357048123' post='3070124'] [spoiler]Dear Rayvon, As I have told you in private message, we did not want any war with you and wished that the Smurf incident could be solved peacefully. I sincerely and wholeheartedly wished that we would not have to fight over a simple trivial matter. We have asked you repeatedly for your grace and mercy to kindly release Unknown Smurf and gave him a chance to start fresh with us. That, then, you decided to refuse the request and launched the offensive anyway, we understand. It might have been too much for us to ask. But we both know full well that we will protect Smurf at all cost, and selling him out for the alliance safety is not what Kaskus do. We both know that none of the Kaskus member will sit idle if you decided to attack Smurf. Now, it looks to me that now you wishes to end the war that you have started. I could be wrong, but if I am not, feel free to drop me a message. Take a minute. And think. We did not want this war to begin with. But you chose to start this war anyway by attacking Unknown Smurf, knowing fully that it will lead to a full scale retaliation from us. Are you seriously expecting us to let you walk all over us, and then crawl to your feet asking for your mercy (peace)? I will ask you a direct question. Do [b]you[/b] want peace?[/spoiler] Where and when did I say that? You made me confused. Are you referring to this post? Please re-read it again, and think. I understand sometime it is difficult to understand a post correctly when you are fill with prejudice. [i]"[color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]On behalf of Kaskus, I would like to thank the New Sith Order for holding back for so long and show more courtesy than we actually deserved. I cannot say that we would have shown the same level of leniency if the situation was reversed.[/font][/color][/i] [color=#ff0000][font=helvetica,arial,sans-serif][i]I am glad to admit that in the back channel discussion, we do not give you any choice but to carry on with the decision to attack Smurf. [b]As much as we hate to find ourselves in conflict with you[/b], [b]we realize that it is inevitable[/b], and may be the only logical solution to this situation. We understand that you are doing [b]what you have to do, hell, what you should have done since two weeks ago, that you hold off out of courtesy for us[/b]. For that we appreciate it and will not go unnoticed. I think you earn the respect of Bob for doing that, and that alone.[/i][/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif][i]You do what you have to do. We do what we have to do. May we find peace in the art of the battle. "[/i][/font][/color] Happy new year. [/quote] "[color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif][i]I am glad to admit that in the back channel discussion, we do not give you any choice but to carry on with the decision to attack Smurf. [b]As much as we hate to find ourselves in conflict with you[/b], [b]we realize that it is inevitable[/b], and may be the only logical solution to this situation."[/i][/font][/color] You have the right post there of yourself. Look at what you said right before the part you bolded. [b]You are glad to admit[/b] that in back channels [b]you gave us[/b] [b]no choice[/b] but to carry on with the decision to attack Smurf. !@#$ man, you even noted the part where you admit I held out from attacking you so long as curteousy. And STILL blame me 100%. If you gave me no choice, then I didn't inevitably force this upon you.

[quote name='Hiro Nakara' timestamp='1357053916' post='3070132'] Hahahahahahahah melt down mode. You should relax before you do yourself a mischief with an aneurism or something. It is amusing to watch though Happy New Year Varianz [/quote] Don't mistake emphasis for melt down. Though it certainly wouldn't be the first mistake.

[quote name='suryanto tan' timestamp='1357048123' post='3070124']--- [/quote] And yet again, you are all missing the point. HE WAS NOT A MEMBER OF KASKUS WHEN HE WAS PUT ON OUR ATTACK LIST. HE WAS UNDER THE MK BANNER AS A GHOST, AND CLEARED FOR ATTACK EXCEPT THAT HE HID IN PEACE MODE UNTIL HE WAS SAFELY UNDER THE KASKUS BANNER ALREADY AWARE BEFORE GOING THERE [cut your !@#$@#$ lies Smurf, you were talked to by a couple people along the way) AND USED YOU ALL TO DEFEND HIS SORRY ASS AND SAVE HIS SKIN. [/TOLWYNN] The time line is the biggest thing here where you seem to be tripping over the most. You're talking about us walking all over you, well that little ass clown is the one walking all over you. He's destroyed your alliance because he didn't have the balls to take accountability for his own actions. And then when he did try, you guys decided no that's not acceptable you want war - and then accuse [i]us[/i] of starting a war. You ignore us for days, and blame a time zone [for [b]3 days[/b] delay]. Time zone's have not hindered [b]anyone[/b] in 6 years [Point in case, I'm in Canada and Dilber is in China - same time zone as you, opposite each other; we're 100% functional]. Are you telling me Kaskus is that inept that they're the first alliance in our worldly history to be held back by imaginary lines? I find that very hard to believe. You know exactly what you're doing.

Indeed - I was such a monstrous and angry !@#$%^& with him. So angry in fact, I actually [i]forced[/i] him to thank me for my civility. [quote]01[10:54:55] <@Rayvon[NSO]> To: Rayvon From: Lord Bitburg Date: 12/21/2012 12:23:01 AM 01[10:54:55] <@Rayvon[NSO]> Subject: honorable sith 01[10:54:55] <@Rayvon[NSO]> Message: This war is dumb, except the fun and war pratice. we are wasting resources that could be spent in the big war on targets we both hate. I believe both alliances have proven to be good warriors and could be of value as allies. I may be out of line but I have some power in Kaskus, with Suryanto Tan and lord caparo. I do not know all that smurf did, and war is fun, but i believe OUR efforts are misguided. I am a man of my word if you would like to talk let me know. My wifes 50 b day (no old jokes) is this weekend so time is scarce. drop me a line if interested, if not 01[10:54:55] <@Rayvon[NSO]> Good Luck and Good Hunting 01[10:54:55] <@Rayvon[NSO]> Lord Bitburg 01[10:54:55] <@Rayvon[NSO]> --- 01[10:54:55] <@Rayvon[NSO]> To: Rayvon From: Lord Bitburg Date: 12/21/2012 12:27:28 AM 01[10:54:55] <@Rayvon[NSO]> Subject: sir 01[10:54:55] <@Rayvon[NSO]> Message: please do not take that as a sign of weakness we are ready and prepared for war, I would just like a more hated target. I love the star wars movies 01[10:54:55] <@Rayvon[NSO]> --- 01[10:54:55] <@Rayvon[NSO]> To: Lord Bitburg From: Rayvon Date: 12/21/2012 12:36:46 AM 01[10:54:55] <@Rayvon[NSO]> Subject: RE: honorable sith 01[10:54:55] <@Rayvon[NSO]> Message: Not to sound like a dick, but rather to be completely blunt and honest; it's going to require more than 'white peace' to end this war. 01[10:54:55] <@Rayvon[NSO]> With the games Tan played with us, purposefully dodging negotiations to force us to declare after harbouring a rogue and the dodges around that - we can't really settle with just a white peace. 01[10:54:55] <@Rayvon[NSO]> We only wanted Smurf to begin with as he caused the issue BEFORE he was Kaskus again - and didn't tell you guys when you took him back and accepted him; and despite this Tan insisted upon pushing us to war by ignoring a peaceful resolution -- only to have you guys coming around asking for resolution now that it's begun. 01[10:54:55] <@Rayvon[NSO]> At this point, I'm going to have to open our end of negotiations at Kaskus' conditional surrender. 01[10:54:55] <@Rayvon[NSO]> Easy terms, no decomming of equipment or buildings. No reparations. Just a simple admission of error (you guys have already admitted your error, but for the sake of clarity to add it to this message also) and surrender. 01[10:54:55] <@Rayvon[NSO]> - Rayvon - 01[10:54:55] <@Rayvon[NSO]> --- 01[10:54:55] <@Rayvon[NSO]> To: Rayvon From: Lord Bitburg Date: 12/21/2012 6:11:29 AM 01[10:54:55] <@Rayvon[NSO]> Subject: RE: honorable sith 01[10:54:55] <@Rayvon[NSO]> Message: Thank you for thid civil message, I will mull this over with our poeple, as i said I am a straight shooter, will not dick you around but as I said I have a full weekend, hard to keep a wife happy, play game and solve problems of the world. and the wife can make my life hell, so honorable sith, against my wishes you are my #2 priority. Thanks again for listening, I will get back as soon as i can. 01[10:54:55] <@Rayvon[NSO]> untill then have fun 01[10:54:55] <@Rayvon[NSO]> good luck and good hunting 01[10:54:55] <@Rayvon[NSO]> --- 01[10:54:55] <@Rayvon[NSO]> To: Lord Bitburg From: Rayvon Date: 12/21/2012 7:16:51 AM 01[10:54:55] <@Rayvon[NSO]> Subject: RE: honorable sith 01[10:54:55] <@Rayvon[NSO]> Message: lol - no worries .. My ex wasn't much different 01[10:54:55] <@Rayvon[NSO]> ---[/quote] I must have been drunk.

[quote]To: Rayvon From: Lord Bitburg Date: 12/21/2012 12:23:01 AM Subject: honorable sith Message: This war is dumb, except the fun and war pratice. we are wasting resources that could be spent in the big war on targets we both hate. I believe both alliances have proven to be good warriors and could be of value as allies. I may be out of line but I have some power in Kaskus, with Suryanto Tan and lord caparo. I do not know all that smurf did, and war is fun, but i believe OUR efforts are misguided. I am a man of my word if you would like to talk let me know. My wifes 50 b day (no old jokes) is this weekend so time is scarce. drop me a line if interested, if not Good Luck and Good Hunting Lord Bitburg[/quote] Bitburg came to us after 3 days, not the other way around. This was the very first point of discussion with Bitburg. He is one of the names mentioned by Caparo as to whom is ok to speak with - so naturally I had a dialogue with him, albeit brief, but he showed more conversational skill and intelligence than the rest of you put together.

Time zones: hindering peace talks since 2012

Yay you quoted Joe.

[quote name='Hiro Nakara' timestamp='1356894737' post='3069478'] White peace and your apology for attacking one of our members, decent enough counter offer for you? [/quote] Know your role, sit down and shut up. You're not Kaskus .gov, and as established by the amount of doubletalk and retard coming out of you and Isaac all along, I'm not interested in anything you have to say. You do Kaskus zero favours. Tan, Bitburg, Caparo - you have my point of entry to discussion. If you really don't want this war, then come talk to me. Nothing left for you to make assumptions about. Open invite. Chatty chatty chatty, talk talk talk. Maybe somewhere trip over a resolution. Is that clear now? Is there any chance you might assume it's a joke? Assume it's not serious? Assume .. Anything else?

[quote name='Hiro Nakara' timestamp='1356891264' post='3069455'] Yea, I read his post that opened with "I don't mean to be a dick" [/quote] [quote]To: Lord Bitburg From: Rayvon Date: 12/21/2012 12:36:46 AM Subject: RE: honorable sith Message: Not to sound like a dick, but rather to be completely blunt and honest; it's going to require more than 'white peace' to end this war. With the games Tan played with us, purposefully dodging negotiations to force us to declare after harbouring a rogue and the dodges around that - we can't really settle with just a white peace. We only wanted Smurf to begin with as he caused the issue BEFORE he was Kaskus again - and didn't tell you guys when you took him back and accepted him; and despite this Tan insisted upon pushing us to war by ignoring a peaceful resolution -- only to have you guys coming around asking for resolution now that it's begun. At this point, I'm going to have to open our end of negotiations at Kaskus' conditional surrender. Easy terms, no decomming of equipment or buildings. No reparations. Just a simple admission of error (you guys have already admitted your error, but for the sake of clarity to add it to this message also) and surrender. - Rayvon -[/quote] Words.

You guys are so !@#$@#$ full of !@#$ .... lmao I did not ask for reps. And I said 'I'm going to have to start" - meaning, [b]let's talk[/b]. This is where it begins, give me a counter-offer. That's how dialogue works.

You guys seem to make an awful lot of assumptions over there. Perhaps if you tried DIALOGUE.

[quote name='suryanto tan' timestamp='1356876803' post='3069392'] I simply was trying to help you feeling better. But clearly, it has been taken the wrong way. [/quote] You know, instead of sitting here acting smug, pretending to be all high and mighty, perhaps you should try not ignoring us when we talk to you. You guys can post on here all weekend [making the "oh but it's the holidays, no time" excuse utterly moot], but I haven't heard more back than a smiley since my last attempt to talk to anyone. Mr I'm-A-Man-Of-My-Word in Bitburg hasn't gotten back to us, Caparo just gave the smiley, you're on here talkin all big. All the while your great spokesman in Smurf is on our forums lying to our faces about how Kaskus tried oh so hard not to make anything out of this ordeal and didn't want war to begin with, and are trying so hard to end it.

*shrugs* No clue where he's gonna go. But I gave him the boot last night.

[quote name='SpliceVW' timestamp='1356877582' post='3069394'] 11. I can't find his nation link anywhere. I ask because pirates are not known to take insults well. [/quote] http://www.cybernations.net/nation_drill_display.asp?Nation_ID=512940 Also, that's 12 now. Not 11.

You guys !@#$@#$ hurt my head. I can't wait to going back to forgetting your little circle even exists.

Right or wrong, still has dick all to do with his nation age. My nation is peachy keen. No more damage than expected in a war.

And the stupidity continues ..... Nation age =/= worldly knowledge

[quote name='Isaac MatthewII' timestamp='1356665384' post='3068705'] Because it is obviously a legitimate announcement from NSO. [/quote] Legitimate like your face ... OHHH SNAP I Isaac'd you !!1111!!11one one one!

[quote name='Gopherbashi' timestamp='1356660519' post='3068674'] Looks like Kaskus tag-teamed again. [/quote] I think your program's just trying to help them out now lol

lol Isaac

[quote name='Salmia' timestamp='1356582736' post='3068304'] [b]This is a topic that has potential[/b], sue me for hoping there would be more to it. [/quote] .... No it's not? ... It's a genmem, even without access to our basic FA areas. Doesn't even know who our allies are, let alone any potentially growing information. See 'MK Foreign Policy' by Brickyard. Not much different except that Jemmm isn't planning to implode his nation [ooc]quit the game[/ooc] at the outset of his OP. He's just a lil-bit-crazy, over-reaching kid in a rulers seat.

[quote name='Rayvon' timestamp='1355892047' post='3065628']While [b]both sides left some room for improvement[/b] at a juncture or two, it cannot go untold that we have been more than patient in attempts to right and conclude this situation.[/quote] [quote name='Unknown Smurf' timestamp='1356577788' post='3068264'] The difference is that NSO is trying to imply that they were perfect in all of this. [/quote] And trying pretty goddamn hard to do so as well, eh. What else ya got?

[quote name='Omniscient1' timestamp='1356574514' post='3068242'] Awww come on Rayvon. Well, Dopp should have done this topic. His "alliances that suck" lists are so much more fun. [/quote] Usually more accurate too

[quote name='Omniscient1' timestamp='1356574057' post='3068240'] I'm not going to lie, I was going to see if he was in range and ask if I could hit him, but I can't find his nation. [/quote] http://www.cybernations.net/nation_drill_display.asp?Nation_ID=512940 But I really don't recommend it

[quote name='Unknown Smurf' timestamp='1356571388' post='3068212'] Heh, like when you said you weren't going to attack then decided that you were going to? [/quote] Heh - like when I 'nixed' (I know how much you love that word since I expanded your english vocabulary for you) the idea of hitting your sorry ass on their AA without clearing it with them first; which led to attempts at extraditing you - which led to us taking you.