[A Pacifican Salute]

We appreciate the sentiments Bob, Hail.

[Giving Thanks...]

"Straylight- you're an absolutely amazing diplomat and keep up the good work. You're fun to have around!"

Yeah I'm pretty awesome

You're not too shabby yourself Mia

[Red Sphere Invaders: You're Doing It Wrong]

As I said previously, it's a matter of perspective. The fact that the Moldavi Doctrine gave Pacificans greater economic safety (and in my unofficial opinion it did) means that it was good for us, and in this case, that is all that matters. If Red were the only color and we were preventing people from creating other alliances at all... that would be wrong. The fact that there are 11 other colors to choose from, many with great and very welcoming communities, means that all the Moldavi Doctrine did was prevent other alliances from taking the Red Senate.

The only thing that we were oppressing was other alliances that wanted a Senate seat so they could have more political clout. From our perspective, at the time the Doctrine was active, that was against our economic interests and therefore prevented it from happening. To be honest, good and bad have very little to do with this situation. Like it or not, but Senates are first and foremost military tools - is it right for some alliances to have nukes and others not to?

Also, I don't believe that a color sphere with no set rules on governance is a "free" one. Without clear standards all you get is 'largest alliance wins'.

[Red Sphere Invaders: You're Doing It Wrong]

All my comments on the Moldavi Doctrine are to be considered past tense, for obvious reasons. Now that we have been defeated, clearly we must accept the mainstream method of color dominance. That's cool, we're not 24m NS anymore anyways. Either way, Moldavi Doctrine served us well for 3 years and nothing will change that.

A few senate grabs that died once their stupid propaganda games died were really nothing to worry about. Dilrow IS a good example though of why it was smart for us to avoid dealing with other alliances in our color though. Especially during WUT times and the multi-polar world. CNARF and NONE... you've got to be kidding me.

As for free colors... go ahead and create free colors yourself. I'm sure TOP would love that.

[Red Sphere Invaders: You're Doing It Wrong]

Arguing 'we've been here for a long time' to counter 'it doesn't matter if you've been there for a long time' isn't very effective.

Well, I suppose that is a matter of perspective then. We, like most other major alliances, take pride in the color sphere that we have governed (for 3 years now) and in our eyes we have every right to maintain our economic safety. The creation of Polar pre-GWI was seen as the ultimate form of Pacific imperialism for a long time, yet here Karma is instituting a puppet alliance in Red for the exact same reasons. And people think CN has really changed .

I also find it rather amusing that you try to argue that Moldavi is good because of Revenge. You had Moldavi for a long, long time before you gave anything back to Red, as well as enabling your allies to destroy similar schemes in other colours. There is nothing stopping you maintaining Revenge protection, or even sharing that with other Red alliances, even with Moldavi dropped or ineffective.

Part of the reason Moldavi Doctrine is good, especially for the Red team, is because it allows us to protect Red. That is not the only reason. Once again, the main reason why M. Doctrine is a positive institution is because it provides a higher level of economic safety for our alliance community. EVERY alliance wants to create a stable trading environment for its members, are all claims on Senate seats by blocs or alliances 'military occupations'?

We did not enable our allies to destroy Y#5 or Goonland Security, those alliances crafted their own fate. In fact, I remember a lot of hailing and support for both attempts on our part before all the drama.

The fact that we enforce a greater level of control does not change the act or method of control itself. Same actions, different reactions. One set of standards for the Pacific, another for all other alliances. I suppose that is the nature of anti-Order rationalizations... shrouding self-interested motivations with hypocrisy and faux moralizing.

@ Haflinger: Well every alliance, at least any alliance worth worrying about, wants to control a senate seat - directly, or indirectly.

[The word "protectorate."]

I had to

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/protectee

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/protectee

PROTECTOR of the English language damn it!

[Red Sphere Invaders: You're Doing It Wrong]

We've been on Red the longest, far longer than most alliances have even existed. If any alliance could be called indigenous to a color sphere, it would be us (besides perhaps GATO, Legion, or IRON). All other major alliances govern their color spheres, they simply do it within the framework of blocs rather than by themselves like NPO and GOONS1.

The Moldavi Doctrine is to ensure that the Pacific maintains the same level of color sphere control as any other alliance, the only difference being that we avoid the fractious politics of multi-alliance spheres and thus are better equipped to protect unaligned Reds (via R. Doctrine), maintain a stable and peaceful sphere for trading, and more fully protect OUR SOVEREIGNTY - our political and economic safety.

What are alliances for if not mutual protection? It's clear that major alliances need to control senate seats (directly or indirectly via allies, like Gramlins) to ensure the economic safety of their members. Why do you, all of you attacking the Pacific governance of Red, insist on assailing the one color sphere that does things differently? There are twelve (12) other trading spheres... if you do not like how the Pacific runs Red, absolutely no one is stopping your alliance from joining another color.

It all comes down to hatred and jealousy really. Your hatred of the NPO automatically triggers you to hate our alternative method of color governance, the system that gives us a level of protection that no other alliance has within their sphere. You seek to injure the Pacific's power in Red because you are at war with us and seek to destabilize our power. You want to see Pacifica reduced to the same level that you are all in, forced to share power and unable to really have full protection within our color sphere.

I don't blame you for it, but it's pathetic (and a little amusing) to see you try and pretend like you are grand and gracious liberators.

[Pacifican Leadership Continues to Hide In War Mode]

Not to mention 70% of the alliance is fighting the war, every...single...day. We are not running to peace mode. Our leaders are not hiding in peace mode. Karma just wants our nations out of peace mode to finally crush us completely and prevent our rebuilding effort.