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[quote name='shahenshah' date='22 July 2010 - 07:13 AM' timestamp='1279797214' post='2384340'] Did'nt a significant amount of viceroys came from Karma' alliances? [/quote] No, a significant amount of viceroys did'nt came from Karma' alliances.

[quote name='Corinan' date='21 July 2010 - 03:26 PM' timestamp='1279740370' post='2383002'] Just to be clear because there is some confusion, Mushroom Kingdom and LUE are one in the same. Only when called on it does Mushroom Kingdom shy away from the moniker. The alliances tags, signatures, Mario Bros. imagery, heritage and roots, and general attitude, all LUE. Every stunt like this they pull only drives home my point further.[/quote] At last count, there were more ex-NPO than ex-LUE in MK. [quote]To all those trying to drive the Sith out of this thread by claiming we're moralizing, you can stop. It's not going to work. We delight in watching you squirm under the scrutiny, and we're not going to quit turning the screws. [/quote]I kinda like you guys here, I miss you.

[quote name='Jrenster' date='21 July 2010 - 03:07 PM' timestamp='1279739242' post='2382964'] For the record, to Red Safari, I don't care that you're tech raiding nations or that your organizing mass tech raiding alliances. But don't try to act all big bad and tough. And don't try to say that there's some morality about freedom that you're trying to protect. This is about spitting on NPO's Revenge Doctrine. [/quote]I don't know where we've been acting all big and bad and I'm pretty sure we've all said that this is because we don't like the Revenge Doctrine and are doing this in protest of it.

[quote name='Wad of Lint' date='21 July 2010 - 02:49 PM' timestamp='1279738128' post='2382926'] An observation: You have compared your situation to GGA's in which it was the absolute intention of GGA to provoke conflict. [/quote] I didn't compare it, I just said I liked what they did. I have no idea what Bilrow's intention was, I'm not him. Our intention is to make a statement about our dislike for the policy through semi-organized raids, we knew full well it wasn't going to be well received by some.

[quote name='Wad of Lint' date='21 July 2010 - 02:26 PM' timestamp='1279736764' post='2382875'] And if an alliance decides to offer protection to unaligned nations... how is saying they cannot do it not infringing on their sovereignty? The whole sovereignty argument is a joke. [/quote] We're not saying that they can't have the doctrine, that's their right. They are free to use diplomacy or other means (ib4mightmakesright) to try and get peace for them. We're just refusing to acknowledge the document which is our right as well. As Bilrow put it so many years ago: [quote]Actually GGA members have full choice. I have been the one personally stopping them from attacking unaligned nations to stop any headaches foreign affairs wise. I don't think you will see too many GGA members complaining about the opportunity to fight. I am just curious to see what CNARF is going to do...are they going to bring it...or stay home?[/quote] Again, keep in mind that provoking a war is not our intention, we just don't like the document.

[quote name='Bilrow' date='21 July 2010 - 02:17 PM' timestamp='1279736204' post='2382853'] Even more ironic is the responses of people in [url=http://z15.invisionfree.com/Cyber_Nations/index.php?showtopic=35852&hl=]this thread[/url] when I did it and compare their alliance affiliation's response to their responses now. Either way, way to stroke my ego by copying me. The apprentice is never as good as the teacher. [/quote]So do you personally have any issues with what the Red Safari is doing?

[quote name='D34th' date='21 July 2010 - 02:13 PM' timestamp='1279735966' post='2382844'] Seriously? I'm really surprised! [/quote] That was back when they were at least somewhat capable.

[quote name='D34th' date='21 July 2010 - 01:55 PM' timestamp='1279734882' post='2382821'] I was comparing you(the raiders) to old hegemony but after so many cries that it was before GW2 and GGA wasn't hegemony back then I had to do as your partners asked and compare you to GGA, sorry.[/quote] I personally have no problem with what GGA did in that case. One alliance doesn't have the right to infringe on others sovereignty and dictate who can not raid certain [i]unaligned[/i] nations.

[quote name='deSouza' date='21 July 2010 - 12:59 PM' timestamp='1279731545' post='2382734'] Did I just see a NO U? What people criticized about the so called hegemony was "might makes right", and this is exactly what that is. Spin it however you want, everyone can see. [/quote] How did you get ANY of that out of what you quoted?

[quote name='D34th' date='21 July 2010 - 12:47 PM' timestamp='1279730812' post='2382701'] See? It's not me who is coming with the "That's old, you can't use that !@#$ as an example!". [/quote] You're having a really tough time keeping up. You're example of Hegemony abuse wasn't done by the Hegemony. Our examples of the Hegemony were done by, well, the Hegemony. [quote]Me and many others already used many pretty arguments in this very thread about why those who are realizing Red Raid Safari are acting like NPO in the old days, and the only replies that I see for our arguments is "We don't do Viceroys!" or some people insulting us is they IRC channels "Saw the post of X person? He's idiot!" like we could care less for childish insults. This behavior itself is just one more proof that how some people are acting like NPO used to do. [/quote] Okay, so in your opinion, this one example of what we are doing is kind of, sort of, like what NPO did. Fair enough, that's your opinion - it's stupid, but whatever. You still can't make the leap and say that we are just like the Hegemony because we very clearly aren't.

[quote name='Aurion' date='21 July 2010 - 12:08 PM' timestamp='1279728517' post='2382631'] I think his point is actually that GGA/CNARF predated any kind of dominant political hegemony - so, saying "JUST AS BAD AS HEGEMONY ZOMG" there isn't really that good an analogy... I could be wrong though. [/quote] You're right. I find it amazing that people claim we do the same !@#$ as The Hegemony, and then when we bring up all of the said !@#$, they go "That's old, you can't use that !@#$ as an example!".

[quote name='D34th' date='21 July 2010 - 11:18 AM' timestamp='1279725464' post='2382577'] If you read this thread you will see various reasons and arguments to explain why your actions and intentions are the same of the past hegemony. I'll give you a hint: GGA did exactly what you are doing before just with different targets(GATO/CNARF). [/quote] The CNARF issue was in late '06, before even The Second Great War iirc - way before the Hegemony you are trying to compare us to even existed. No one has installed a viceroy, no one has forced perpetual war, and no one has tried to run individuals from the game - so no, it's not the same !@#$. We are simply raiding red nations in protest of a document we refuse to acknowledge. Obviously it's going to step on a few toes which is an added bonus in my opinion, but as has been stated our intention is not trying to bait NPO or any other red alliances into war. Edit - It should be known that I represent my own opinions and not necessarily MK's as a whole.

[quote name='HellAngel' date='21 July 2010 - 10:33 AM' timestamp='1279722779' post='2382528'] I know you like to joke about being the new Hegemony in order to weaken the argument itself, but i really do not see how you guys are any better. Same !@#$ all over again. [/quote] Just like everyone else who has made this worthless claim, we would like to know what your evidence is. Because if all you have is "You're big raiding meanies!", your argument is ignorant at best.

[quote name='Rebel Virginia' date='21 July 2010 - 06:16 AM' timestamp='1279707377' post='2382352'] [color="#0000FF"]I would have preferred rsox leading Athens, but that may just be me.[/color] [/quote]That'd require Rsox to still be an Athens member. Good luck Londo in whatever you end up doing.

Congrats to both of my former alliances. Hope this friendship treats both of you well.

[quote name='DukeThero' date='12 May 2010 - 11:07 PM' timestamp='1273720019' post='2296594'] I have gone ahead and disbanded this poor excuse of attempting to start an alliance and been shown humility through this failed venture. [/quote] Aw, now I feel bad. Kinda.

I don't know Rome that well (at all?), but they have to be pretty cool to be in probably my 2nd favorite bloc.

[quote name='Ivan Moldavi' date='01 April 2010 - 10:12 PM' timestamp='1270174309' post='2244735'] I believe all reps should be sent to the Minister of Trade so that he can properly distribute them. [/quote]Like you'd know what to do with them.

I love all of these, keep up the great work.

[quote name='Pyroman' date='27 February 2010 - 01:38 PM' timestamp='1267296114' post='2206772'] Forgive my insubordination, "Darth" Stabby. I want to say Conebone made the one I'm using. You're welcome to use that one or ask him for something else. Edit: I forgot he left the NSO, but I'm sure he'd be willing to help out for old times sake, or at least point you in the direction of someone else capable of making you a good sig. If not I have someone in mind who could make one. [/quote] Look at the detail in the fine craftsmanship of that sig. And even better, it only took 30-45 minutes to make! If you'd really like a half-assed sig made in paint Ivan, I'd be most delighted to help you out.

Although it's sad to see, I know LintWad will be a great emperor for NSO.

I commend NSO for defending their allies throughout this war and sticking with them (and I have been one of your biggest supporters on our "side"). I still hope you eventually get white peace; but you had your chance and reneged, can't really blame them for continuing the war.

Meh, I take back what I said, good luck to both.

[quote name='Lord Brendan' date='23 February 2010 - 10:44 PM' timestamp='1266983292' post='2200463'] It doesn't have to be a beer review. I believe one of the IRON reviews was for a video game that a particular nation ruler enjoyed. [/quote] I think you are missing the broader view, they don't want to be forced to review anything; whether it's a beer, video game, or Taylor Swift review (which would be ). They want, expect, and deserve white peace.

[quote name='Lord Brendan' date='23 February 2010 - 10:34 PM' timestamp='1266982650' post='2200446'] Why is it that you are so against doing a beer review or equivalent? [/quote] To be honest, I don't really blame him for refusing to do one. It's humiliating to be forced to do one against your will. Sure, most people look at it as a joke, but if the defending alliance doesn't want to do it, it shouldn't be forced upon them. Especially when the leader of said alliance doesn't even drink. Plus, it's technically not white peace and I believe NSO has said they won't take anything but white peace, which I believe they deserve anyway.