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That, stranger, does only confirm how little you know about Citadel. What amuses me is your fingerpointing "see, they are NOT SPECIAL!". Because it sounds like you are afraid anyone could believe we are 'special' when it comes to honor and honesty. And I wonder if that is just anger over the own incompetence to create something special or simple envy. Fortunately I know a lot more than you, and my knowledge about Citadel internals is based on witnessing discussions while yours is based on hearsay.

Hah! Liez! Half a year ago that was Grämlins! Admit it, you always wanted our spot! Now you have it! Wrongdoers! ;O

I always knew the man is insane.

As did the last war.

fine thing. hope you enjoy the party. also: MORE PUPPETS!!!1111

grats! forward to 3 more years!

Nooo, don't say such stuff! Someone already forced me to aid IRON. I am sure it was you, without me realizing it. TOP MADE ME DO IT! I SWEAR! o/ TOP o/ TOP o/ TOP ...must ...stop... thinking... on..my....own. must... obey.. obey obey... obey.. o/ TOP o/ TOP o/ TOP Hail the new orange masters of CN. And yes, in case there is anything unclear about it: Everyone disagreeing with TOP or refusing to hail them will be ZI'd. Beware! RV already uncovered that plot! BC and VOX should stop disbanding and target a new enemy: TOP!

The fact that you know nothing about how internal decisions are made within TOP also speaks volumes as well. You can be sure we (Gre, Umb, FCC) are already taunting them engough for moving at TOP-Speed all day long, but thats just them. If you want to suggest that they waited that long *intentionally* to be on the winning side and profit from that war, I attest you that you know *NOTHING* about TOP and their members at all.

lol. TOP pressuring GRE Gov into something we do not want? Hah, I want to see that happen. You obviously have never seen a debate between TOP and GRE senior/gov membership. If anything, we give in to something if we agree with the arguments TOP brings to a certain degree. But in the moment TOP tries to put 'pressure' on us we enter "stubborn-mode" and challenge Crymson/Saber/Bodvar & Co to a 30-page-fingerpointing-festival at the Citadel Boards.

Well, sad but nessessary. I am sooo tired as well to see everytime an opponent is defeated and wants to surrender that this is not enough for someone. No, they must come out of their holes and cry for 'reparations' and 'terms'. Its disgusting. And even more disgusting is the 'moral pressure' these people put onto everyone who does not want to back their claims up. "You MUST support our demands! Else you are a BAD ALLY and are ABANDONING US!". Go home whiners. I wish more alliances would refuse to keep firing on already beaten opponents only because some individuals want to enforce stupid terms.

The fact that no one (including you) could see anything for 3 years just proves that everything went absolutely smooth without any leaks because the few persons involved were 100% trustworthy, stuff was never written down and intentionally no one of importance or insight cooperated with groups like BC and Vox, attention whores and egomaniacs with grudges are an ultimate plan-killer. But on the other side, it made you a good decoy.

lol, this party of global chess started long before VOX or BC even existed on paper. The only thing both can claim is to draw the intention away from the real players to themselves, which made it a bit more easy for those actually *doing* something. So, thanks to the Clowns, you kept busy the guards quite well. But stop claiming you have "arranged" or "engineered" anything. The plans, preparations and decisions begun long long before you even existed and your impact on the outcome of this war is rather small.

so much diplomatic mess for so little gain. not demanding reps for sure has deeper reasons than just moral ones. it saves a lot of trouble, grudges, long-term-fallout. worth more than any cash/tech-amount you can demand in my opinion. with that, I hope all that unnessessary !@#$%*ing about IRONs terms finally ends and everyone learns his lesson.

This is getting old. If you beat up a grandma as a gang to get her purse, you can't argue that someone else has done the first hit and because you have said "I will follow you through thick and thin" you are suddenly the "good guy". "Following your word" does not automatically make you "honourable". That is why MADP's generally are a stupid idea.

You're lost. That means, if we are obligated to defend someone, we come, no questions asked. If we ATTACK someone via non-mandatory clauses (oA like in IRONs case), there has to be a rough outline about what we fight for, who is participating and at which point we stop shooting. And should one of the other parties in this joint operation begin to "push for things" we have not agreed on, we leave the party. And everyone can be damn sure if the Reps had not been lowered, Grämlins had peaced out IRON with white peace unilaterally by now. We fight to ensure the opponent is going down. Not to enforce anyones demands.

Not really, you know, once you are down in tech, to lets say... 0.01, you can cheapy buy fresh tech to send it away. So, whatever problem there will be, it will have to do little with the "numbers".

SA BO TEUR!!! Disabling Grämlins Tech ftl! I even tried to drug him with uber Caipirinhas, but somehow Paradoxians seem to be immune to alcohol. I suppose that is because they are drunk all the time anyway!

Yeah, these penguins were all skin and bones, but I hear they have significantly improved since then ;P

o/ IRON That was some cool battles, really. Reminds me to fire my SDI engineers, that thing just doesn't work. Special kudos to Matt Miller, who was, just like Grub in the Polar war, an extremely worthy opponent. Welcome Back in the Top10 in a few days . o/ IRON

Don't worry. If we drop below 20 members something is going on. I rather lose 5 guys over an disagreement who maybe come back later or try their own thing but staying friends, than gaining 5 guys for the sake of keeping the membercount up.

hollow claims! thats all legend and myth! show proof!

No, thats a TOP "Tank". They have quite a lot of these! Also notice the small watering can they carry with them. Thats standard equipment with two types of attack: Primary attack is 'Acid Rain' which they bring over your nation if you mess with TOP, as secondary function they can spill a bit of water on a Grämlin who is nearby, which then turns into a bloodrage-monster. Pretty scary battle beasts!

wow, as someone who has worked with TOP for many years, I can say that this must have been an incredibly hard decision. Sorry to see you in that position. And how about staying on topic everyone?

First: You fail again. I don't "admit" anything because there is nothing to "admit". Second: What you claim to know or think you know is totally irrelevant because it is nothing but hollow words. Because I was present during some of these talks and actually have done some talking in there, my word beats yours by far. Because I know things, and you assume things. Third: You judge an action "by default" without looking behind the way this action was done nor the reasons why it was done. Doing so is superficial and will lead to misinterpretation, wrong assumptions, saying stupid things in public and making me come to the thread making you look terribly stupid. Don't make yourself looking terribly stupid! A friendly advice from someone who has just a lot more insight in what happened than you.

First: We were "Allies" the last time while in Q. The treaty we had was a ToA with no military ties. Second: We met before the DoWs with IRON Gov and explained the mutual stances, both sides understood each others point and it was decided (mutually!) to even waive the cancellation period to handle things calm, quick and professionally. Third: Everyone uninvolved trying to "accuse" us of anything about it makes himself look terribly stupid because he makes me come into the thread, making clear that he has absolutely no idea about the GRE-IRON relations, does not know what he talks about and actually forces me to make him look terribly stupid. Don't make yourself looking terribly stupid! A friendly advice from a Gre Senior Member.