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More updated back history:

Due to multiple complaints, updated to include the preceding micro conflict before this war started:

War Chart atm:

Probably saving attacks for the quad, but knowing that a slot on rey was worth grabbing when available? We will see tonight. Worth noting that so far Argent has entered on an Od, while TPF is not yet in on their Md.

Rumor has it that Janax has an outside shot also.

It has begun -- http://www.cybernations.net/war_information.asp?ID=792659 Discuss.

Has anyone contacted Argent?

Logs so real, even Myth doesn't deny them. (R)

Your alliance has agreed the logs are real. Might want to get with the program.

And we are back to denial. That brief interlude with truth was more than mi6's shame could handle.

Excellent, so we are past the playing dumb part and we are all on the same page. Mi6 explicitly tried to ally an alliance while planning war on them with the idea of screwing over and making their other allies work harder in a war. However, they don't actually see this as dishonorable. Oh, and their plight is caused by others.

I appreciate Mi6's full throttle attempt to follow their lack of integrity to the bottom of wherever it takes them.

And so much for deny deny deny PR attempt of a non-member. It was always going to be hard with multiple government members confirming the validity of the logs in two separate threads, but it was still fun while it lasted.

I would love to hear how this jives with the concept of allying Aztec while planning on a war on Aztec so your existing allies before then face more of the burden. Cause it doesn't.

I feel like there is a good amount of hindsight coloring this view. Sengoku fought on the TOP&Co side in disorder (although only became aware of coalition boards/channels/planning/anything after shots hit an ally) and upgraded a strong TOP ally in DoD around the time that Umbrella formalized their longstanding relationships with Aztec aa's. I would say more, and have in the past, but since it doesn't really relate to mi6's honor so I will just leave it at that.

I think you are not understanding his point. From Aztec's side there wasn't going to be a war between Aztec and those other parties, and indeed there was a reasonable reason to expect much much closer ties going forward. Indeed, several concrete moves had already happened on Aztec's side in that direction. The idea of an overt plan to fight us, and requiring a response and a drawing up of sides was not on the agenda in any way. It took a vast amount of foolishness and shortsighted blunders by certain alliances/individuals to create the situation that unfolded, and all of it that I am aware of occurred after those treaties were signed. Umbrella my understanding is also saw the possibility of closer working ties amongst all parties, versus a war inevitably being instigated by those that would then lose it and need to be abandoned. It was the logic FA development, and I'm still a little surprised an agenda against it ultimately was pushed so hard that the resulting war did happen instead. (Maybe mi6 can chime in here, as they referenced a talk between Top and sparta about rolling Aztec earlier, but didn't provide details as to when that was. And after all it is an mi6 thread.)

You missed a big one. If Mi6 wants a topic on honor, instead of Myth shitposting or continued fretting over 1 drunken failed spy op, maybe mi6 should address it. Instead after denying it initially, mi6 government has left the building. Then again, if that was my building, I would probably leave it too.

Maybe you are being forgetful, but I'm referring to the logs you deleted off mi6's forum (still available elsewhere), the ones you didn't want posted and afterwards said These allegations come from those logs of you, talking to mi6 leadership and not some other alliance, and detailing your goal to get a coalition to attack DBDC/IRON/Aztec and then within 3 minutes discussing your efforts to get an Aztec and a Sengoku treaty. The purpose of those treaty efforts was explicitly discussed as to make the war easier for mi6 in terms of direct counters only on mi6. Although as your government agreed, it would provide no help to your allies. Such a noble alliance. Such honor. If it were someone else, I would be surprised by the lack of integrity even now.

I'm starting to see why Petro could find no intelligence in his spy op. The question was has Mi6 ever tried to ally an alliance while planning to roll them. That you failed to achieve your duplicitous goal doesn't make your alliance less of a shady honor-less character, just one without skill as well.

Edit: Forgot Myth is not in Mi6. Looking forward to mi6's response in thread.

Has Mi6 ever tried to ally an alliance as part of an active plan to roll that alliance and that (not mi6 for those still using crayons and struggling with sentence structure, grammar and pronouns) alliance's allies and blocmates? So much talk about honor from mi6, and yet when the actual hard question gets asked about their actions, they hide.

When faced with an uncomfortable past, best to hide from it and pretend to be dumb. (myth excluded)

Is grammar this hard for mi6? Just to be clear, at no time in Sengoku's history have we offered a treaty to an alliance to make it easier to roll their bloc mates. It is pretty amazing that such bright FA minds cannot understand the pronouns *their* versus what would have to be *our* based upon your inability to understand.

Just to be clear, at no time in Sengoku's history have we offered a treaty to an alliance to make it easier to roll their bloc mates. I know for a fact mi6 cannot say that, and to me, that would be a serious honor issue that hopefully mi6 has recovered from.

Congrats both