Orville Reginbacher

If we'd change one rule to jive more with TE (top 100 as candidates) then why not change the other rule for votes needed? (your response would be your #2, I suppose). Instability can be fun, esp. in TE. I don't foresee it taking power from alliances and giving it to GDI's (gosh darn independents). Only allied people will be able to effectively get enough votes to elect a senator. It may take power from the largest alliances, I admit that could happen. It just seems odd that after a full round of voting, no senator on any color, including me (highest by far vote getter on Yellow, 1 less than highest overall on any color as of yesterday), has the power yet to do anything. You rolling NLON wouldn't necessarily protect you from getting sanctioned if they elected a senator, it would just kill their nations off. It sounds like you already have a reason for doing so if they are gunning for you every round. Instead of rolling them, you could have an understanding/treaty (I know that's a strange concept for the TE as opposed to SE, but NDO has had treaties). I've never heard of unnecessary drama :popcorn: . In this case, it's just spicing up the status quo a little and, more importantly, giving meaning to, and making adjustments to, the senate system so that it makes even just a little sense in the TE world. Otherwise, let's just drop it entirely in TE, right? What would be the harm in that, other than causing final days drama between the largest alliances on the same color?

This is the first time you responded to the ideas, so I will respond to this. You can't honestly claim I attacked you personally, the only mention of you is a criticism of your posts not contributing to the discussion. I said if you don't want to discuss the ideas, and simply want to argue for the sake of arguing, I'm going to ignore you. 1. Yes, one idea is to eliminate the bar, that is an idea which you have criticized. This would allow anyone elected senator to issue sanctions or send team messages. You and others criticized it because it would allow anyone to jump to a color, take over senate, and sanction. Two possible solutions, require someone to be on a color for 5 days before they can vote, or go to the other options below: 2. Allow those elected senator after 5 days OF VOTING (see the first post I mentioned it in--I said the sanctions can be issued by those senators clearly elected after 5 days of voting). You are purposefully misrepresenting what I said. So far I don't see the downside of this one. If after 5 days you are a senator, odds are you will be one 10 days, and 15 days, later. It allows people on small colors to coordinate their votes before their color is taken over by someone else (which I'm not so sure is a big problem if people wanted to do that anyways). 3. Not practically the same thing, requires a MINIMUM of 10% or 15% of active nations on the color to have voted for you and you still to be elected as a Senator (wherever makes sense). You still need to be in the top 3 to be a senator, too. I could have made that more clear, that is my bad. It's a two part checklist. Haven't seen criticism here yet. 4. Eliminate the senate entirely because according to what others have posted in this thread, it really doesn't do anything other than that on the super populated cover it can be used to knock out the competition for an award at the end of the round. Finally, do you see the irony of you accusing me of attacking you personally (please find where I made an ad hominem attack) and the repeated theme and language of your posts stating that I am "whining," that my posts are "whiny," that I am "ranting" and that you paraphrase my idea as "waaaa?" That's it, I simply won't be responding to your future posts. Every post I've ever made in a suggestion thread you have simply poopoo'ed the ideas. My job isn't to appease you, I'm trying to offer multiple ideas to make a common sense change to a TE mechanic that doesn't make sense due to the lack of nations playing TE.

I've actually offered various ideas (technically 4) for solving this problem (dropping the number entirely and allowing all senators to sanction;, tying votes needed to a percentage of active color nations instead of a hard number; make it available to those who are senators after the first 5 days of voting; eliminating senators entirely from TE). That's 4 different ideas to solve the problem, not just whining. But I understand you just want an argument, whether or not its on the merit of the ideas. Instead of offering any ideas or discussing what might work, you have simply poopoo'ed all the ideas, contributing none of your own. I suppose that is the easiest position to take, just criticize everyone else and contribute nothing of your own. That is what you have been doing in other suggestion threads, as well. I get it, you just want to argue with someone. I understand that, but if that is all you are going to do, I'm not going to consider your opinions. I've posited a few ideas. You have made no response as to why at least 2 of the 4 would be bad. You just don't like anything I say. If you want to debate about the options, and discuss positive and negative aspects of them, great. If you just want to argue, I'm ignoring your posts.

I wrote it, therefore it is exactly what I am saying, right? I could copy it here again if it would help. In the words of great hartfw: Senators should be senators and should have the power of senators. No one else on yellow will have as many votes as I will in these first 20 days (first 5 don't count, couldn't vote then). Even so, even though I get the clear supermajority of the votes, and am clearly wanted by Yellow to be a senator, I may not be able to have any powers to do anything. Does that make sense to you? If so, please tell me how. No one on some other colors will ever have a senator with any ability to do anything. Does that make sense to you? Either allow the clearly elected senators (after 5 days) to be able to do something, or get rid of a (according to Samwise and others) useless game mechanism. As it stands, certain colors, even if everyone voted as often as they could, could never have senators with any powers. That doesn't really concern you unless you are on those colors. Additionally, in any larger color (e.g. Black), this doesn't create risks that you need to worry about, because the same people that belong to the same large alliances will get the same senate seats as they otherwise would in the first 5, 10, and 15 days. It's a common sense change for TE due to the low number of nations participating.

Either being a senator matters or it doesn't. If it matters, then keep it and make it so that duly elected senators (after 5 days of voting, maybe) have the power to sanction regardless of amount of votes. If being a senator doesn't matter, then just get rid of it, that's all I'm saying. It's as simple as A or B. I have the CN:TE equivilent of caerulei testes here.

To respond to your questions. 1. This nation has stayed on Yellow. 2. DO you mean vote 3 times in one election cycle? If so, ok, but I still have to wait forever, and this can cause problems like an outgoing angry senator hurting his alliance and then not being able to rectify that until later. 3. That's why the status quo is a bad idea, like I just said. 4. So it does happen and does work, is what you are saying.

Moreso concern for those that spy on guides, etc. in the fora of other alliances.

While I appreciate your snark in your response (despite you being wrong on the number of votes needed for sanctioning), there are, at most, 3 senators per team. The only powers a senator has (and thus the only reason to have senators) is to send team messages, or to sanction. In many of the current colors, the senators will not be permitted to do either. If you don't think this is a problem, fine. If you agree this seems odd, some sort of modification of my idea would be nice. Otherwise, you are just wasting our time :D If you are elected to senate in a color, why shouldn't you be able to do either of the things that the senator could do? While I appreciate the title, either get rid of the senator position entirely in TE, or change the numbers so the senators can actually do something. This isn't SE, there aren't enough nations playing to make these limits workable.

You are wrong, you need 30. Here is the quote "You do not have enough votes from your team to place sanctions at this time. You need at least 30 votes." Are you saying that people who are on colors with less than 25 nations or 25 active nations have not legitimate reason to sanction and should not be able to do anything? Because it looks to me like, according to the senate seat election numbers, no one can currently sanction. There is a good reason to do so to the person that I've been asked to sanction.

I think you missed the point in the first part of my post, the "why" you couldn't cause too much damage to an entire color. It's a big issue for a single nation on Yellow. Also, yes, the senate positions are entirely meaningless and powerless without the ability to do what a senator can do.

You couldn't do that much damage--you going to a small color to screw with them only affects about 10 people tops. And a color with 30 nations in TE isn't that small. I'd rather the limit be lowered to a percentage of the active color nations, like 10%, so you need a minimum of 10% of the active nation votes to be able to sanction, or maybe 15%. For a color with 20 active nations, you just need 2 or 3 votes minimum to be able to sanction. Or make it 20% and combine with allowing only 2 team senators in TE. Right now I am powerless to sanction nuclear rogues, spies, etc. I could get every one of the active nation votes on Yellow, not a small color, be elected to the Senate, but have none of the Senator powers.

That's fine, but as it stands no color could actually have 3 senators with sanction power, at most 2. Maroon, Red, Aqua, Orange, and now Yellow senators are not permitted to do any sanctions.

I am a recently elected senator on the Yellow Team, from NDO. I noticed that there are vote requirements for sanctioning/team messages. 25 for team messages, 30 for sanctioning, if I am not mistaken. The problem is there are only 30 yellow nations total, and there are many colors which do not have enough numbers to ever meet that requirements. With three senators per team, it would be impossible for any color (largest hast just over 80 nations) to have three senators who could sanction. I would suggest that we eliminate the number requirement entirely for TE, just that you have to be on of the elected senators, maybe with at least two votes, or something similar? There just aren't enough nations playing to make it work. As it stands right now, I could never sanction because there are a handful of inactives already and the person I would sanction would not vote for me. It would be impossible to get the votes needed.

Same thing happened to me, I had 4 events up until one expired on the 17th, I believe. Didn't know there was a supposed limit. I assume the 0% is actually something slightly more than 0%, like a fraction of 1% maybe?

Only I have access to my finest popping corn. I have not given it out yet. It's aging in an oak barrel for now. Something that I cannot contemplate based on the current facts must have happened,I have no idea how terms like this happen.

Really this misunderstanding is my fault for questioning Berbers' prowess, or experience as a train conductor.

Not sure what about three DBDC folks attacking two or three Polars makes this a train. I'm pretty sure those attacked have not peaced out, and a few nukes have been launched and eaten. I would question your experience as a conductor (or adventurous college student, depending on the type of "train" referred to), this is not how trains are run. There could only be two DBDCers involved for this to qualify as a train.

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No complaints here, after update and today's attacks, I've inflicted much more damage than I've taken. Gotta love it. :popcorn:

Congrats on this, you two.

o/ OcUK and BLEU. Although the announcement of BLEU's comeback was a bit cheesy. :awesome:

But think of all the new nations we could have developing here on Bob with NSA folks infiltrating our alliances and starting new nations. I say we request $6 mill and 100 tech from them. /sarcasm.

Well it doesn't involve polar because we don't worry about rains or anything other than blizzards and rabid penguins. This could be anything, such as a former, old alliance who's members split up and went incognito in a bunch of different alliances? Ok.

Apparently JesusKitten and I exchanged...uh...pleasantries today. Remember the one beatitude "blessed are the glowing green Lawyeria soldiers, for they shall be a light unto the world."

I think my finger might slip on the nuke button and accidentally launch at update...