Cao Pai

Sad to see you guys go, hopefully things turn around once the move to Avalanche is complete.

Congrats to the new/returning gov. Especially Blackrose

[quote name='RandomInterrupt' timestamp='1314845240' post='2791922'] I guess you missed the point (that was made at least three times) that Tyga had literally all of the evidence. Unless of course logs are not evidence which would make a text-based world a tad difficult. [/quote] He needs to work on his interpretation skills a little then, or stop being influenced by NpO so much, because the claims he drew from the evidence were a bit far fetched. But that's cool, too.

Congrats to both.

[quote name='Tygaland' timestamp='1314671022' post='2790762'] The difference being I provided evidence to support my opinion. [/quote] Nearly everything you provided was hear-say, seemingly made up, or completely wrong, and I believe Stagger has pointed that out quite well enough. Having no evidence is sometimes better than having false evidence.

I don't know how/why I quoted myself, and it won't let me edit either post. My apologies for the double post.

[quote name='Cao Pai' timestamp='1314661095' post='2790665'] He's only speaking of you in a similar fashion to which you were speaking of us. Don't get your panties in a wad if someone gets something wrong about you, because you sure got some things wrong about us on this one. [/quote]

[quote name='Tygaland' timestamp='1314584722' post='2790313'] I have no feelings either way for TIO. As the protector of the original incarnation of TIO and the provider of a home for many of the people who set up the current incarnation of TIO I am surpriseed you think this is the case. The reformation of TIO wasn't an issue for the STA and while we declined to protect the current incarnation on their formation (laregly due to our policy of not taking on protectorates at a time when we wer recovering from a large war) there was no ill-feelings, at least not from my side of things. But, do continue to speak on my behalf. [/quote] He's only speaking of you in a similar fashion to which you were speaking of us. Don't get your panties in a wad if someone gets something wrong about you, because you sure got some things wrong about this one.

[quote name='Schattenmann' timestamp='1314113446' post='2786853'] I don't understand why TIO remains so confused about this at this point. You tld NpO you didn't want a compulsory ("mutual") treaty anymore, but you were ok with an optional treaty. Polaris doesn't do optional treaties, or didn't want an optional treaty with TIO. You keep saying that if they rejected the downgrade-to-optional "option" then you would go back to the drawing board, but there's nothing between O's and M's. There's no reason for TIO to feel slighted here, you didn't want to be forced to defend Polaris anymore, and now you aren't. [/quote] This has nothing to do with wanting to defend Polaris or not, we simply didn't believe that we had enough contact with them (a fault shared equally between us) to be obligated to defend them. Does this mean we wouldn't have defended them had we gotten the ODP? No. It simply means that with the wavering communication from both sides, we did not believe that Polar should be obligated to defend us, and we should be obligated to defend them. The motion to downgrade was in the best interest of both alliances. It didn't make sense to have an MDoAP with that level of communication for any party involved. And I speak for us (TIO) all when I say no one has a feeling of being slighted, we provided Polaris with information that we had voted on discussing a downgrade and they acted upon it in this manner. What happened happened, and the only two options we have now is go our separate ways, or rebuild a base of contact and friendship. Only time will tell.

[quote name='Charles Stuart' timestamp='1314090348' post='2786745'] Why does this always happen to polar? [/quote] Because our treaty didn't have a clause for a downgrade and therefore a downgrade is impossible, duh. Anyways, good luck Polar.

[quote name='USMC123' timestamp='1313691427' post='2784008'] Another thing people are forgetting about was UINE was still in war. No !@#$ they didn't have a reentry clause, they were still in it. We left because we were only filling a very small number of UINE's slots because they got all filled up by others. As far as saying we surrendered, yeah keep telling yourself that, 1) MCXA surrendering to us, and 2) GDA agreeing to the EXACT SAME TERMS we did, is surrendering. If they GDA, UINE, MCXA coalition against Tetris had such an upper hand, they should have been able to make us surrender. [/quote] Looking at who UINE had to fight, you got off pretty easy.

[quote name='MitchellBade' timestamp='1313700629' post='2784093'] And here I was hoping for something else [/quote] I have a feeling you and I were hoping for the same thing.

[quote name='JWConner' timestamp='1313449486' post='2781777'] Basically what Boskos said was the affect they would have had. Since our war strategy was to keep the upper tiers in PM and the lower tiers fighting, VA would have helped quite a bit....in theory. If you're inferring that their military competence wouldn't have led to much assistance, then I'd have to agree with you. [/quote] I was inferring the latter.

In all honesty, however, VA being involved in the last war probably wouldn't have helped TPF at all.

o/ To UINE o/ To TIO Great to see this happen, finally.

Too many left leaning alliances. Good luck though.

I feel sorry for DB4D, they're actually good people. Congrats and whatnot.

http://www.cybernations.net/nation_drill_display.asp?Nation_ID=406691 Aluminum and Wine.

FOR THE SAKE OF YOUR OWN NATION!

[quote name='DrummerMike' timestamp='1312060964' post='2767816'] So recruiting from AcTi would not be considered poaching? [/quote] I think it would be considered a favor at this point.

Still looking for someone.

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[quote name='xoindotnler' timestamp='1311656724' post='2763918'] I'm not rebuilding, maybe you got me confused with someone else? [/quote] [s] Nope, pretty sure I didn't get you confused with an[/s] Well. Your signature and whatnot mislead me, I thought you were in AcTi. My bad.

[quote name='xoindotnler' timestamp='1311655790' post='2763895'] Why even bother rebuilding? [/quote] The same could be asked of you.

Congrats on the milestone NSO.