SnowCrash

sign me up, Marble/Rubber.

Talk about getting one's hopes up and then dashing them. Seriously, take your own advice. Do us all a favor and end it. While you're at it take the Rectum Invicta or whatever with you. Nobody likes a tease.

Congrats arexes!

I'm taking your Holy Hand grenade.

[quote name='Legend' date='10 March 2010 - 12:48 PM' timestamp='1268243616' post='2221053'] Guess what dude, the Wiki is not the most official and credible information source. Just imagine if I am to erase NADC and RE's wiki, does it mean PC or any other tech raiding alliance is allowed to raid our protectorate, RE? [/quote] If you erased it and erased it from your public treaty list, you just created a case of entrapment. Which would nullify any potential compensation. Edit: reading comprehension ftw.

[quote name='Poyplemonkeys' date='10 March 2010 - 12:09 PM' timestamp='1268241297' post='2221009'] Echelon's public treaty list was up to date. Echelon's wikipedia was up to date. There was no OWF posting of SBA's disbandment. There was no OWF posting of an SBA merge into Echelon. There was no OWF posting of a protectorate cancellation between Echelon and SBA. The only sources they had were the wiki of SBA, which can and will be edited by anyone. Hell I just checked Nemesis' because last I checked it was horrendously out of date. Someone has updated it, no idea who. Locke has updated Nemesis' wiki in the past (a flag update iirc) and he has nothing to do with Nemesis and never has. Anyone claiming the wikipedia should be a valid source of information rather than a reference point before you go on to look at various other far more reliable sources is talking out of their arse. [/quote] Uhuh, you know these were up to date because you checked them before the raid took place right? PC has been around the block a few times, this isn't their first rodeo. They know what to do and how to do it. The wiki is a valid reference point, however it has already been made clear that PC took additional steps to find out the disposition of SBA's situation. They came to the conclusion that SBA had disbanded and they were a legitimate raid target. What this boils down to is Echelon doesn't want to accept the responsibility of keeping things up to date. They knowingly tried to cover up their mistakes by editing the wiki and erasing SBA's disbandment. They failed as a protector. I would feel the same way, if Athens did not update our wiki or public treaty list, letting the world know who we were protecting. This affair should be a lesson to everyone who maintains protectorates to keep their wiki & public treaty lists current. It is no great feat of effort to do these simple things, which would help to mitigate circumstances such as these. Edit: spelling is my friend.

[quote name='Ruggerdawg' date='10 March 2010 - 10:23 AM' timestamp='1268234922' post='2220940'] The last [b][i]public[/i][/b] link is dated October. If you had a member mask, you'd see more recent posts. [/quote] Maybe you should take 5 mins and update the public list? I mean your members took the time to update the wiki after the raids occurred. It is no secret that raiding alliances use the wiki, the OWF and alliance forums to figure out who is protected and who isn't. Nation bios have never been considered a credible source and to argue it is, is ludicrous. It is Echelon's fault for not keeping their Wiki and the public treaty list up to date, as a result of your failures, you should be culpable for any damages to your protectorate.

NUTS!

Congrats Kings, welcome to the family! o/ Kings o/ Athens

excellent to see, let the flood begin.

I have spent a fair amount of time (lies) thinking about this latest conflagration that has recently beset Planet Bob and I have come to a singular conclusion. Anarchy is the new pink. Folks, pink is out, anarchy is in. I'm not just talking about your nation burning like a roman candle on crack, but politics, friendship, morality, the whole kitten caboodle! This is where you all strip down, burn your clothes and dance in a shower of yoo-hoo. Seriously though, this war is both awesome and completely asinine. I nominate TOP/IRON for the first ever group award named for that one guy who came up with gene pool cleansing. Really, a pre-emptive strike? That was your grand plan? Pretty ballsy for IRON to go along with that kind of plan, with their previous membership in the coalition of cowards. They've come a long way from "NPO screwed us, so let's mass cancel!" to "OMG C&G will hit us if we roll the hard six and support NpO, let's hit them instead!" This right here is why you don't drink and CN at the same time. It is never a good idea, ever. Then of course there is the horde. I mean all the gum flappers who repeat the same crap over and over again. 'It was pre-emptive', 'CnG was planing our destruction', 'Kitten calenders, kitten calenders, kitten calenders', 'I know the facts because I heard it from someone who knows someone who knows a guy who cracked a evil communique with a drogans decoder ring'. OK so a couple were ridiculous, but it fits. You can't argue a negative no matter how hard you try, you will always come out looking paranoid or stupid. The best course of action for something like this is to just say 'We're doing it because we can.' That is much more simple and neat than actually trying to find some kind of justification for acting rashly and without cause. If the coin was reversed the same people who are currently trying to justify a negative would be howling like no tomorrow against it. Yes, you people are that predictable. The same goes for propaganda, laying out the facts as a person see's it is not propaganda. Each side has an element screaming propaganda as soon as a post goes up laying out facts or observations. It is as if some ripped a page out of the Pavlov's Dogs play book. If you read it you MIGHT be influenced, oh the horror! Each side has its path set, it is rather unlikely any alliance is going to go 'Oops we made a mistake and supported the wrong side, our bad.' Tin foil hats and hockey helmets are available for a nominal fee. TOP/IRON had a prepackaged excuse put together before they declared. Their allies ate it up, it tasted so sweet, because if you look at the sides, this is ALMOST Karma part deux. 'CnG is gonna hit us if we support NpO, so we're gonna hit them first, cool?' You don't normally see a group of alliances who are considered to be rather astute, initiate their own curb stomp. It kind of goes against rational thinking, since the SOP on PB is to figure out a way to isolate then destroy. I think the go code was given when they got Uncle Grub's blessing, thinking that NpO would come in support or stay neutral, as their ace in the hole. We all know how that turned out. I can't really blame Grub for screwing over another group of allies. I mean the first time is always hardest, after that it just gets easier. Kind of like the assurances TOP gave during the events leading up to the Karma war. There you had a side thinking they had TOP locked up as either on their side or neutral. That didn't happen either. It would be so boring if no one screwed anyone over, that would wipe out 95% of the grudges many have been holding for 3+ years. In the end... I'm all for burning pixels, I support Planet Bob becoming one giant flame trench till the end of time. With any luck you'll only need to be a 15k NS nation to make the 5% club and buy nukes! How sweet would that be? This war could be a time machine! Turning the clock back, death to the pixel hoarders and stats lovers. The thought is orgasmic, going back to our roots, when the world was fluid. If we're lucky admin will give us the H-Bomb, when combined with a WRC the pain inflicted makes re-rolling for better resources a good idea.

Yuengling is quite tasty.

Marble/rubber and willing to switch