Yerushalayim

Xavier, it was brought up in the PMs and in the IRC while you were present, and Celtiberia hasn't had those chunks of territory (Portugal and southern Spain) since the second iteration of the map, when the GMs caught that Mogar had give you more land than you'd had in RP2. Not sure why or how the wires got crossed.

Ambassador Nicodemus Katsaros finished the last of his cup of coffee, which he handed off to one of his aids, before he rose and stretched. It was nearly time for his appointment with the Northlander, and while he was tempted to remain and continue to indulge himself, he had no desire to put forth a bad showing for his nation by being late. He'd wanted a scenic breakfast, but he was glad he had allowed one of his bodyguards to talk him into stopping at a cafe that was much closer to his meeting. “Well, what are you waiting for,” he growled at the men and women around him. The younger aids looked startled and began to rush around, collecting their things in a flurry of activity. The guards, and the senior staff, were more calm and collected, unfooled by his grim demeanour. It took less time than he'd expected, but Nicodemus' party was soon packed and paid, and on their way. The majority of the diplomatic team broke off and made their way back to the embassy, which they were continuing to make into their home. Nicodemus, a senior aid, and two guards continued on foot to the Northlander meeting place. The guards checked their weapons with security and took seats outside the meeting room. Nicodemus and his aid stepped into the room, where he sketched a slight bow to the man facing him. “Lord Timmermans,” he growled in the dialect of the Northlands, “Ambassador Katsaros,” he gestured to himself, then to his companion, “Mister Leventis. Greece greets the Northlands warmly.”

“Well, at the moment,” Aletea let out a soft laugh, “there are no other Eastern Mediterranean nations. If nations were to rise in Albania, Turkey, the Holy Land, or Egypt, they would be able to join and gain the advantages of a stable region. For now, though, it would be just Greece and Yugoslavia, as the only existing nations in the region.”

Ambassador Remis requested a cup of coffee, which she took black, and sipped gratefully on it. She made a soft appreciative noise before setting down the cup and continuing, “Thank you. In addition to this line of communication, Greece proposes a formal relationship between Yugolsavia and ourselves in the form of the Eastern Mediterranean Community. This would be in the form of open trade and non aggression pacts, and commitments to resorting to diplomatic measures first and foremost in case of any conflict of interest.”

“I think a basic defensive treaty would suffice. Greece and Malta agree to come to the aid of the other should either be attacked. We agree to allow the military vessels of each to move through our national waters freely. Ships are allowed to refuel as needed at Greek and Maltese ports. Greece agrees to allow Maltese ships through the Bosporus without the normal tax. Malta lowers its own taxes and tariffs on Greek shipping and business. The basics.”

Aletea settled into her seat, placing a small folio on the table in front of her. “Kralj,” she spoke the language of Yugoslavia, though with a clear Greek accent, “it's been too long since I visited your nation. Not since before the war. It's good to see that your rebuilding efforts are going well.” She flipped open her folio and glanced down at her notes within. “As we all rebuild, and the world returns to normalcy, it is imperative that lines of communication remain open, most especially between neighbours. To this end, Greece proposes a dedicated telephone line between your office and that of our Prime Minister, so that red tape and bureaucracy cannot interfere with any communications that are of utmost importance for our nations.”

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Military -The Army- -Hellenic National Defense General Staff- Commander In Chief: President Melantha Stamatis Minister of Defense: General Kazilieris Chief of the HNDGS: Air Chief Marshall Hypatia Vitalis Commander of Army: General Eris Drakos Commander of Air Force: Air Marshall Timon Teresi Commander of Navy: Admiral Thyra Xenakis -Numbers- Total Soldiers: Active Soldiers: Reserves: Total Tanks: Total Helicopters: Total Artillery: -Soldiers- Size of Brigade: Size of Division: Size of Corps: Number of Brigades: Number of Divisions: Number of Corps: -Soldier Equipment- Body Armour: Assault Rifle: Battle Rifle: Sniper Rifle: Anti-Material Rifle: Machine Gun: Sub Machine Gun: Shotgun: Pistol: Frag Grenade: Incendiary Grenade: Blast Grenade: Mortar: Rocket Launcher: -Mechanized- Size of Brigade: Size of Division: Size of Corps: Number of Brigades: Number of Divisions: Number of Corps: -Mechanized Equipment- Armoured Personnel Carrier: -Armoured- Size of Brigade: Size of Division: Size of Corps: Number of Brigades: Number of Divisions: Number of Corps: -Armoured Equipment- Main Battle Tank: -Artillery- Size of Brigade: Size of Division: Size of Corps: Number of Brigades: Number of Divisions: Number of Corps: -Artillery Equipment- Anti-Tank Gun: Static Artillery: Mobile Artillery: Anti-Air Defense: -The Air Force- -Numbers- Fighters: Bombers: Transport Helicopters: Support Craft: -Fixed Wing Aircraft- Fighters: Bombers: Attack Aircraft: Multi-Role: Naval: Drones: -Helicopters- Attack Helicopters: Transport Helicopters: Observation Helicopters: Maritime Helicopters: -The Navy- -Numbers- Aircraft Carriers: 3 Landing Ships: 3 Battleships: 0 Cruisers: 0 Destroyers: 30 Frigates: 42 Corvettes: 36 Nuclear Submarines: 0 Diesel Submarines: 12 [b]-Naval Equipment-[/b] Carriers: Nimitz Class [3] Landing Ships: Wasp Class [3] Battleships: Unavailable [0] Cruisers: Unavailable [0] Destroyers: Arleigh-Burke Class [30] Frigates: Alvara de Bazan Class [21], Fridtjof Nansen Class [21] Corvettes: LCS Freedom Class [18], LCS Independence Class [18] Nuclear Subs: Unavailable [0] Diesel Subs: Type 212 Class [12]

Cast Prime Minister Arista Pappadopolous: General Kazilieris:

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[center][b][u]Greek National Information[/u][/b][/center] [b][u]-General Information-[/u][/b] Official Name: The Hellenic Republic Official Demonym: Greek Informal Names: Greece National Language: Greek National Anthem: [url=]Hymn to Liberty[/url] Population: 34,915,891 [b][u]-Government-[/u][/b] Form of Government: Parliamentary Republic [b]-Ruling Personnel-[/b] Head of State: President Melantha Stamatis Head of Government: Prime Minister Arista Pappadopolous Minister of Internal Affairs: Minister Teodor Priscos Minister of Foreign Affairs: Minister Thea Garis Minister of Defense: General Kazilieris Minister of Economy: Minister Iksander Liakos [b][u]-Economy-[/u][/b] Form of Economy: Market Socialism National Currency: Drachma GDP PPP: $2,492,820,037,945 GDP Per Capita: $71,395 Primary Exports: Petroleum Oils, Pharmaceuticals, Aluminium, Iron & Steel, Electronics Primary Imports: Crude Oil, Plastics, Automobiles, Machinery [b][u]-Culture-[/u][/b] Dominant Ethnic Group: Greek Minority Ethnic Groups: Albanian, Bulgarian, Turkish Minority Languages: Turkish, Albanian, Bulgarian, English, Serbo-Croatian Dominant Religion: Eastern Orthodox Christianity Minority Religions: Islam, Judaism Cultural Stance on Foreigners: Friendly Cultural Ideals: Solidarity, Prosperity, Humanitarianism [b][u]-The Land-[/u][/b] Land Area: 211,687 km2 Capital City: Constantinople Largest City: Constantinople Land Features of Note: [b][u]-Foreign Affairs-[/u][/b] Treaty Blocs: EMU, ESP Mutual Defense Pacts: Malta, Northlands Mutual Aggression Pacts: None Optional Defense Pacts: Russia, Alvonia Optional Aggression Pacts: None Non Aggression Pacts: EMU, Alvonia Trade Agreements: Malta, Northlands, EMU, Russia, Alvonia Research Agreements: None Protectorates: Suez Region, Bulgaria (Contested with Yugoslavia) Bosporus Tax Exemptions: Malta, Northlands, Alvonia (partial)

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The Greek Minister quietly signed the White Cross document when it came to her, then let it pass to others. She remained silent on the issue of nuclear weapons.

“Now would be an ideal time to gather allies for this coalition, I agree. So many are already here for the conference. Before we do, though, I think Greece and Malta would be well served by having a more individual agreement as well. An agreement to lower trade barriers between our nations, and an agreement to defend one another, would go a long way toward ensuring that the central and eastern Mediterranean remain stable.”

“Make no mistake, Greece also prefers diplomacy. Conflict is a last resort of politics, and not something to be undertaken lightly. We would be more than willing to cooperate with the Spanish to ensure that Gibraltar is held by its rightful owners, and the Mediterranean stays open to us all. We have no wish to take new territories for ourselves, or to deny others their rightful holdings. A coalition presence in Gibraltar, and in North Africa, should ensure that the trade routes remain free and open. We can agree to this plan.”

“The Spanish will likely try to claim the territory as their own, yes. I suppose there are two options in such a scenario: We either secure their cooperation through negotiation, or we gather a fleet large enough to make their objections moot. If the Spanish cannot concede to cooperate in a project to maintain the openness and prosperity of the Mediterranean, then they will have made themselves into a threat to all peaceful Mediterranean nations, unfortunate though this situation would be.”

“I would hope it would, yes. It will be important to watch and see which of the nations can be trusted to cooperate in such a coalition. I think that this League offers an excellent point from which to observe the behavior of attendants. We can clearly see those that have an interest in cooperation, and those that do not.”

The Minister gave a short nod to the King's words. “There are three points of entry into the Mediterranean; Greece already controls the Bosporus, but the Suez and Gibraltar are in the hands of anarchy. If we are to ensure that the Mediterranean stays open to us all, those must be secured. Greece already has a strong position in the Eastern Mediterranean, while Malta has a central position. If you were to ensure the protection of the Suez, and we the protection of Gibraltar, this would ensure that we both have safe harbours for our ships to move freely though the Med, while also ensuring that trade to the outside world remains free. This would work best, I think, if Malta and Greece were to sign an agreement giving freedom of movement to each other's ships, and creating a framework for cooperation on a military level to guarantee that the sea remains open.”

Thea settled herself in the chair the King had held for her, murmuring a soft thanks. “I think,” she said after the King had seated himself, “that we can help each other. Malta and Greece share a humanitarian outlook, and I'm certain that our efforts will be productive. As we are successful, though, more nations will rise along the Mediterranean, which will increase the risk of instability and strife in our region of the world. Such conflict would not be in the interests of either of our nations. We are interested in a working relationship with Malta to foster stability and prosperity in the Mediterranean.”

Foreign Affairs Minister Thea Garis hung behind after the meeting of the League of Nations broke apart. She gestured away one of her aids who had tried to approach her, a frown creasing her features briefly. The young man slunk away and Thea stepped quietly over to the Maltese King and fixed a smile to her face. “Majesty,” she dipped her head in polite greeting, “If you would be so kind, I'd like to discuss the future relationship of our nations.”

Ambassador Aletea Remis hadn't been to Yugoslavia since before the great war. The fighting had clearly taken a toll on the country, and though rebuilding was well under way, the scars of war took time to heal. She supposed that a similar image would be found in Greece, for those who had not visited in some time. Aletea gave a small mental shrug and braced herself. She pushed through the doors into the meeting room, gave a nod to the Yugoslavian who was waiting for her, and introduced herself with the decorum that was appropriate to her position.

The Greek representative, George Pappodopolous, had arrived quietly and made his way into the meeting. He was an unremarkable man, easy to miss until he spoke. He had waited quietly while the first few outbursts of grandstanding came, and he shook his head slightly at the antics of the other representatives. He jotted a few notes on the pad he'd brought with him, but otherwise remained silent so as to better observe the dynamic that would form with this new organization.

The Greek fleet, consisting of five Arleigh-Burke class destroyers, three Alvaro de Bazan class frigates, three Fridtjof Nansen class frigates, a Wasp class landing ship, a cargo ship with aid supplies, and a pre-war luxury cruiser converted into a mobile coordination and command center for the Greek staff, as well as possessing a hospital wing, made rendezvous with the aid fleet prior to its arrival in Benghazi.

Letum's correct. Farrin haggled pretty hard, and the talks went on for a while, before he finally agreed. Considering the situation at the time, it's inaccurate to take a shot at him for being weak willed.

Right now there's nothing in the rules to indicate that people have to build up. It's shoddy RP to appear out of nowhere with a fully functional and max-tech military, but nothing says it can't happen. I've always been of the opinion that nations should start off with the basics. They have forces that can defend them, a reasonable amount of defenses (e.g.: artillery positions, patrols, etc), but nothing really fancy. If you want elite troops, or bunker networks, or anything that's not directly covered by IG-> IC conversions, RP for it. Not everyone likes doing the RP that's involved in building up from scratch, and we shouldn't require that sort of play just to avoid being rolled. On the flip side, if someone does go above and beyond to get their fancy (but legal) toys, then they should definitely have those things.