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[quote name='goony' timestamp='1301438184' post='2680187'] apologies for that gentlemen. It was only a couple months ago but I had no knowledge on CN polotics and stuff so a surrender didn't look that bad. I was previously a nation that would just collect taxes and buy infastructure, nothing more. I already took heavy damages and was about to get nuked, a surrender looked very appealing in this situation. Again I am sorry, I left like a coward and it was wrong of me to do so. I am far more knowledgable than I was back then and I definately won't make the same mistakes. [/quote] I'm most interested in what our leadership thinks of this considering that they just let a guy back into our AA the other day when he basically said "I didn't know any better" just as you have said here. [quote name='legion-x' timestamp='1301434261' post='2680151'] yeah thats him... i was pretty embarrassed to tell you that we had a guy surrender, as MoD i knew you expected more from the military than people running when the going gets tough. [/quote] Fragger55

*Awaits GOONS DoW* Congratulations on your existence and good luck.

Ah so that's what happened. Thanks for the heads up guys.

Guys Anathema disbanded a week ago... Is there really anything left to discuss regarding their disbandment?

It's probably been said before in the last 80+ pages but I'll go ahead and mention that arguing that you are on a different path than the old hegemonic regime doesn't hold water when you are mimicking the actions of that very regime. I remember back when the NPO used the same justification as you are using now to keep GATO at war, they said that there would be no peace for them until their peace mode large nations came out and fought. If you really want to fight them then how about asking all of your allies and all of NPO's allies to agree to a cease fire and going one on one with the NPO, winner take all? The NPO member who posted that they should ride it out is right. They have nothing to lose and can keep you guys frustrated for quite some time by continuing to do as they are doing.

[quote name='Kharcoff' timestamp='1300251440' post='2666228'] Aluminum and Rubber here... http://www.cybernations.net/nation_drill_display.asp?Nation_ID=284773 [/quote] Added. I've already contacted the other members of the circle and given them the link to your nation. As soon as you can clear your trade slots they'll either accept trade offers from you or send out offers for you to accept.

[quote name='Sarmatian Empire' timestamp='1300239499' post='2666013'] I'll agree...noobs wasnt the best term, little nation would of been better [/quote] Lol yeah we do have a lot more small nations than big ones.

This is a long term (read: permanent) trade circle and we need a replacement for our Aluminum/Rubber trade since they were deleted for inactivity. Here's a list of the resources, bonuses and the economic and military effects of the circle plus a list of the members: [quote]Resource list: - Aluminum- Kharcoff - Cattle- Cynic - Coal- Pretoors - Gold- apiwattu67 - Iron- xShadow - Lead - rmpkatz - Lumber- xShadow - Marble- apiwattu67 - Oil- Cynic - Rubber- Kharcoff - Uranium- rmpkatz - Water- Pretoors Economic effect: Income: +$13.5 Citizens: +5% Happiness: +8 Infra cost: -35.2% Tech cost: -12.6% Land cost: -19% Land bonus: +38% Environment: +2 Env. Penalty: -50% Bill effect: Infra UpK: -23.7% Soldier UpK: -$0.5 Tank UpK: -16.97% Nuke UpK: -60% Navy UpK: -38.44% Aircraft UpK: -25% Military effect: Soldier eff.: +42.56% Soldier cost: -$6 CM cost: -20% Nukes cost: -20% Tanks cost: -8% Navy Cost: -27.33% Aircraft Cost: -15.21% Aircraft Limit: +10[/quote] Bonus Resources are Construction, Asphalt, Automobiles, Steel, Radiation Cleanup, microchips, and Scholars. Please if you have Rubber and Aluminum and either are on the black team or willing to switch to black team either post in this thread or contact me in game. Thanks.

What's disappointing to me in this thread is that the Legacy nations that I fought during the war were honorable opponents that I share a mutual respect with, yet the only comments that we see from Legacy lately are the bile that is being spewed from the mouth of Sarmatian Empire. You do a grave disservice to your alliance by taunting like an idiot when your comrades have so much class. You can call us an alliance of 'noobs' if you want but remember we were engaged on multiple fronts, Legacy was not. Next time try coming at us with even odds and you'll see just how wrong you are about these 'noobs'.

I was going to say something about redundancy but since TIO are such awesome people I'm going to hail this instead. o/ TIO! o/ LoSS!

The terms are much more reasonable than I would have expected. Congratulations on peace to all involved.

[quote name='AAAAAAAAAAGGGG' timestamp='1300037882' post='2663061'] By the way, if you think this idea is a really good one, you could always get the people together and redo it, without Kev. [/quote] This man has a point... If Kev was the only one plotting up the spy ring (and there's no evidence that any other members were involved) then if the original founders still feel that they can make the difference that they wanted to make then you all could always try it again.

[quote name='Schattenmann' timestamp='1299986077' post='2662227'] I don't know what Incitatus will or will not do, nor why or why not. Don't you think it's rather odd that your name is Cynic yet you're so happily swallowing every word from those arrayed to attack your protectorate? I think it's sort of cute; I love irony, it's the highest form of comedy. [/quote] You would have a point if Incitatus had not already openly agreed that the logs that those who are arrayed against him produced as evidence are not falsified nor inaccurate. I am not "happily swallowing every word" from anyone as what has been presented doesn't have two sides as Incitatus' only defense so far has been "yeah those logs are real, no they'rre not falsified or altered and even though the logs show that I was expecting a report from a spy(which another Anathema government member asked for according to them to use as evidence to remove Incitatus from power and salvage the alliance) we weren't spying."

[quote name='Heft' timestamp='1300016231' post='2662819'] There was someone criticizing him in the "clarification" thread about him not being able to take responsibility for his failures (was it CJ? I can't be bothered to look it up).[/quote] Heh, actually there were a couple of us being critical of him for that. On topic: This announcement was expected, although who it was issued by wasn't.

[quote name='Schattenmann' timestamp='1299984602' post='2662206'] The logs show no reaction, they end abruptly. [/quote] Correct however do you not agree that had there been such a reaction that he would have already stated it in his defense and if logs exist showing his reaction that he would have provided them himself?