Brotherington

Actualy I would describe myself as a realist. We can't make them die and we can't expect them not to bide their time and come after us. I support making their recovery as difficult as possible.

I'm sure if you thought before posting you would realise, MK is dealing with TPFs surrender terms, not NPOs and certainly not Echelons (this isnt to say I disagree with the terms they have been presented with, its just not our call). I don't know how much influence Archon has over surrender terms on other fronts but his signature isn't going to be on them. Only 16%? Not enough if you ask me. It perplexes me that you people think I would care about the well being of an organisation that has been a source of misery for so many for so long. Personally I will be happy if the New Pacific Order is nothing but a bad memory. I love reading all the !@#$ you guys spew about hypocracy, I'ts not not our (the alliance still fighting for Karma) fualt that the entire anti-NPO movement got hijacked by idealistic pansies who thought they could make a better world without breaking a few eggs.

What the christ.

Our war was a hell of alot shorter because MK actually fought rather than trying to hide most of our large nations in peacemode. Also it was 82,000 technology. You mentioned earlier the body republic was right behind the leadership in rejecting the terms, well to me that is more evidence your leaders are reckless and stupid. General membership are always objecting to surrender. Both times MK accepted preposterously harsh peace terms (UjW and NoCB) I was dead against them and considered leaving, but both times my level-headed leaders ignored my sentiment negotiated, held out for the best terms they were expecting to get and signed them against my wishes. As a result MK is now stronger both statistically and politically than ever before. Looks like they were right and I was wrong.

I thought about making an alliance called ANT COLONY where every member must role play as a worker ant at all times. Couldn't get anyone else interested unfortunately.

Wrap it up karmailures.

Who says I don't know GGA? The fact you don't consider then a bad joke says to me that you either you don't know them (or anything about their role in cn politics since GW3) or I have an astonomically higher standard for what makes a respectable alliance. You better beleive it because I'm not crawling anywhere. I'd say theres nothing classier than calling a spade a spade. IAA isn't so hot either, pity the disbandment didn't stick.

hahahaha what!? Sad to see anyone treatying GGA, then again MASH arn't so great either...

No, they arn't claiming revenge for GATO, they just want to destroy what remains of your strength using methods first attempted by your own leaders. GATO's non involvement is irrelevant and apologising does not roll back the precedent you have set. I'm begining to beleive that the ridiculous apologies Moo has posted these last few months have been aimed at convincing his own membership that they don't deserve every ounce of retribution they are currently receiving, because noone else could be expected to take them seriously.

They put it to good use destroying Pacifican infrastructure, they can consider it a gift.

Thanks for reminding me why I hate your alliance.

Everyone can have their new era of fairness after the criminals who have pushed the bounds of cruelty for the last 3 years have been adequatly crippled. I for one and grateful towards the alliances who are shouldering the burden of seeing the job through to the end.

of course, otherwise you are just as bad as the theif and therefore a hypocrit.

Feel free to compile such a list yourself, I don't really see why you think we would want to exact revenge upon ourselves? It would be very short regardless.

It's good to see at least one alliance answering for their past.

why is TORN shrinking?

I don't get everyone crying over the poor neutrals. They never did anything for anyone, and now they're reaping the benefit of having noone to back them up. All this bluster is a joke anyway, we all know they would never dare endanger their infrastructure or ridiculously bloated member counts, even if it looks like an easy win.

At least he leaked a brilliant screenshot.

Thats a pity, I like you. Hopefully you will find enough to occupy yourself that you don't return.

From what I understand Chill caused alot of trouble for karma. Don't know any details though.

Scorched earth surrender terms please.

Lieing has never been a problem for them, just look at all their posts claiming their terms are impossible.

All of GGAs gov.

What this tread boils down to is NPO members pretending that they think the terms are unfullfilable in order to justify their refusal to accept them and convince karma to give them easier terms. These terms are no more impossible than the terms offered to and accepted by other alliances over the years, and the NPO itself set the trend of constantly escalating the norm for peaceterms. You never showed a scrap of mercy during your time at the top, and so far you have received more than you are due. Accept the terms. If you cannot find the capacity to meet them, ss they are, in reality, well within the reals of possibilty, then you do not deserve to exist as an alliance.

I'm just going to chip in here to inform you that NPO members are about the only people who still cling to the assertion that the second attack upon FAN was justified. It was a disgusting abuse of power and trust on the part of your leaders.