Hiro Nakara

41 votes for most hated player, I obviously never campaigned hard enough leading up to this, ohh well I beat Alterego and D34th and equal with Xiph. I'm impressed.

[quote name='Ernesto Che Guevara' timestamp='1358371809' post='3077677'] For those who care to see what I was welcomed to, here is my last set of logs from our gov channel. Session Start: Mon Jan 14 13:12:33 2013 Session Ident: #bloodforgov 03[13:12] * Now talking in #bloodforgov 03[13:12] * Topic is 'Official channel for BFF Member Alliances Government | Margi[NEW] Deebo sucks, long live the new Deebo! | Canik: MIA, presumed nation perma-dead' 03[13:12] * Set by Turetel[BFF] on Sun Dec 09 07:53:44 03[13:12] * ChanServ sets mode: +oa Chax[BFF] Chax[BFF] 03[13:13] * Turetel[BFF] (pollster.u@coldfront-C42767C0.dhcp-bl.indiana.edu) has joined #bloodforgov 03[13:13] * ChanServ sets mode: +oa Turetel[BFF] Turetel[BFF] 01[13:13] <&Chax[BFF]> Really now? 01[13:13] <&Chax[BFF]> I can't even see what I'm on trial for? [13:14] <%Ovidsidios> [url="http://bff.cnfear.com/index.php?topic=1021.0"]http://bff.cnfear.co...hp?topic=1021.0[/url] 01[13:14] <&Chax[BFF]> Yeah, I'm demasked [13:15] <%Ovidsidios> [url="http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=114761&st=0"]http://forums.cybern...pic=114761&st=0[/url] [13:15] <@SniperJoe> Ugh [13:15] <@SniperJoe> Boris probably [13:15] <@SniperJoe> Oh yeah, the trail !@#$ 01[13:20] <&Chax[BFF]> Sooooo [b]01[13:21] <&Chax[BFF]> Are we going to discuss this, or am I just kicked out, thrown into the mud and done?[/b] [b][13:21] <@SniperJoe> We're going to discuss it.[/b] [b][13:21] <@SniperJoe> I don't want to kick you out.[/b] [b][13:21] <@SniperJoe> And if anyone else does they can $%&@ off.[/b] [b][13:21] <%Ovidsidios> but you better have a damn good explanation[/b] [b][13:22] <@DarkFox> If there is any evidence to begin with[/b] [b]01[13:22] <&Chax[BFF]> I provided logs for you[/b] [13:22] <@DarkFox> Facebook chat is hardly consistent 01[13:22] <&Chax[BFF]> and I'm kicked out 01[13:22] <&Chax[BFF]> that's my explanation 01[13:22] <&Chax[BFF]> Exactly what Fox said [13:22] <%Ovidsidios> well then, we're just gonna have to wait for the trial 01[13:22] <&Chax[BFF]> Fox know sme IRL 01[13:23] <&Chax[BFF]> In the meantime, my name is dragged through the mud, my reputation irreparibly damaged, and our entire alliance made to look awful [13:23] <@SniperJoe> Why do the pictures look edited? 01[13:23] <&Chax[BFF]> a trial I can't even take part in, so nevermind justice [13:23] <@SniperJoe> Nevermind, not the place to discuss it. 01[13:23] <&Chax[BFF]> They don't? [13:23] <@SniperJoe> Relax. 01[13:23] <&Chax[BFF]> Relax? 01[13:23] <&Chax[BFF]> hah. 01[13:23] <&Chax[BFF]> $%&@ that. [13:23] <@SniperJoe> Boris took the limited access thing to remove your access to everything aparently 01[13:23] <&Chax[BFF]> This is my payment for all the hours I put in for this alliance? [13:23] <@SniperJoe> We have to create a new subforum for this !@#$ [13:24] <@SniperJoe> Dude, this is not gonna help. 01[13:26] <&Chax[BFF]> And you think throwing me under the bus will? 01[13:26] <&Chax[BFF]> You could have said "We are discussing something involving the NEW matter, blah blah blah" 01[13:26] <&Chax[BFF]> instead of coming out and saying that I'd committed a crime before it's even been decided [13:26] <@SniperJoe> Then Robster leaks everything [13:26] <@SniperJoe> Spins it however he wants 01[13:26] <&Chax[BFF]> And we say we're discussing it! [13:26] <@SniperJoe> The jackals jump all over it 01[13:26] <&Chax[BFF]> Nobody listens to Robster anyway [13:26] <@SniperJoe> It ends up way worse [13:26] <@SniperJoe> !@#$%^&*,t hey listen to anyone [13:27] <@DarkFox> off topic but I think I just secured us some sellers! [13:27] <@SniperJoe> LOL [13:28] <@SniperJoe> Well done DarkFox. 04[13:28] <@DarkFox> GPF said there is a good chance. So its mostly Chax's doing [13:28] <@DarkFox> I just need to sweet talk them [13:30] <@SniperJoe> Alright 01[13:30] <&Chax[BFF]> GPF probably won't sell to us, I lied, right? [13:30] <@DarkFox> I'll let you know when you lie. [13:30] <@DarkFox> Until then $%&@ it [b]01[13:31] <&Chax[BFF]> Fox, have I ever lied to you IRL?[/b] [b]01[13:31] <&Chax[BFF]> Hell, I worked for your family.[/b] [b]01[13:31] <&Chax[BFF]> I handled money on a daily basis. Have I ever lied?[/b] [13:32] <@SniperJoe> You can prove us all wrong later. 01[13:32] <&Chax[BFF]> And when I do, I want a full written apology from all of you sharks on the OWF 01[13:32] <&Chax[BFF]> as well as BOris's resignation [13:33] <@SniperJoe> Whoa now [b][13:33] <%Ovidsidios> You will get nothing more than what is written in our charter[/b] [b]04[13:33] <@DarkFox> No Chax. I cant say you ever lied to me.[/b] [13:34] <@SniperJoe> Chill Ovid 01[13:34] <&Chax[BFF]> Yeah, Ovid, with all due respect, go $%&@ yourself. [b]04[13:35] <@johnap88[BFF|DoD]> you go $%&@ urself chax[/b] 01[13:35] <&Chax[BFF]> Wow John, that's kind of you [13:35] <@DarkFox> John go take a walk [13:35] <@johnap88[BFF|DoD]> no 01[13:35] <&Chax[BFF]> Yo've been stabbing people in the back for a week now [b][13:35] <@johnap88[BFF|DoD]> your not my boss[/b] 01[13:35] <&Chax[BFF]> like leaking Joe and Fox's logs to Deebo 01[13:35] <&Chax[BFF]> They trusted you and you sold them out to get elected next term [b][13:36] <@johnap88[BFF|DoD]> like hell i am running[/b] [b][13:36] <@johnap88[BFF|DoD]> i rather deal with reform instead[/b] 04[13:36] <%Ovidsidios> Chax[BFF]: we are ruled by our charter [b][13:36] <@johnap88[BFF|DoD]> so cut the sociopath theatrics [/b] [13:37] <@SniperJoe> All of you go take a walk. [13:37] <@SniperJoe> John, don't og there. 01[13:37] <&Chax[BFF]> Yeah, our charter calls for a free trial [13:37] <@SniperJoe> There will be one. 01[13:37] <&Chax[BFF]> Magicninja has my back more than my own allies [13:39] <%Ovidsidios> SniperJoe: keeps telling you there will be a trial [13:39] <%Ovidsidios> and you make us out to be inquisitors 01[13:39] <&Chax[BFF]> Usually there's a trial before they release the verdic, bud. 01[13:39] <&Chax[BFF]> Innocent until proven guilty [b][13:39] <%Ovidsidios> there is no verdict[/b] [b]01[13:39] <&Chax[BFF]> This is the opposite[/b] [b]01[13:40] <&Chax[BFF]> Its on the OWF, champ[/b] [b]01[13:40] <&Chax[BFF]> THat's a verdic[/b] [b]01[13:40] <&Chax[BFF]> it doesn't say "We're investigating this"[/b] [b]01[13:40] <&Chax[BFF]> it says "He played us"[/b] [b][13:40] <%Ovidsidios> I respectively diagree[/b] 01[13:40] <&Chax[BFF]> things like that [13:40] <%Ovidsidios> the evidense proves this [13:40] <@SniperJoe> Uh [13:40] <@SniperJoe> It actually says that we're going to have a trial [13:40] <%Ovidsidios> ^^^^^ 01[13:40] <&Chax[BFF]> Okay, keep thinking that. [b]01[13:40] <&Chax[BFF]> But the OWF post clearly doesn't have an air of neutrality[/b] [13:41] <@SniperJoe> Dude. [b][13:41] <%Ovidsidios> That's just media[/b] [13:41] <@SniperJoe> I did what was best for BFF. 01[13:41] <&Chax[BFF]> That's just media, ovid? 01[13:41] <&Chax[BFF]> This whole game is media [13:42] <%Ovidsidios> even the thoughts within an alliance? [13:42] <%Ovidsidios> what they think and what we know [13:42] <@DarkFox> Did anyone make a tech seller mask for me? [13:42] <%Ovidsidios> are not the same [13:42] <@DarkFox> Need one of those and a moderator mask for GPF 01[13:42] <&Chax[BFF]> Well Ovid, if I could see the trial, or at least the forums to discuss it, that'd be different 01[13:42] <&Chax[BFF]> but I can't. [13:43] <%Ovidsidios> because that's in our charter, the trial wont start without you [13:43] <%Ovidsidios> so you needn't worry about this trial happening just yet [13:43] <%Ovidsidios> as it hasn't [13:43] <@SniperJoe> ffs [13:43] <@DarkFox> Was the Ombudsman contacted? [13:43] <@SniperJoe> Boris changed your mask [13:43] <@SniperJoe> subforum hasn't been created [13:43] <@SniperJoe> chill [13:44] <%Ovidsidios> in accordance with our charter 01[13:44] <&Chax[BFF]> The charter doesn't say anything about posting on the OWF first. 01[13:44] <&Chax[BFF]> The charter doesn't say anything about throwing me in a metaphorical prison and then deciding who is right and who is wrong [13:45] <%Ovidsidios> Article IV: Rage 4.1)"...If approved by any one member of the Neapolitan Council or the Ombudsman, the member will then be placed on a restricted access level and given three days and a private section of the forum to plead their case." [13:45] <%Ovidsidios> three days have not even begun [13:45] <%Ovidsidios> nor the private section created [b]01[13:45] <&Chax[BFF]> so why do we post on the OWF?[/b] [b]01[13:45] <&Chax[BFF]> instead of saying !@#$ is underway, why am I being called guilty?[/b] [b][13:46] <@SniperJoe> Because it was the right thing to do for BFF.[/b] [b][13:46] <%Ovidsidios> SniperJoe: has already mentioned time and time again to avoid further damage to our already delicate alliance[/b] [b][13:46] <%Ovidsidios> further the opinions of others will bear no input on the trial[/b] 01[13:46] <&Chax[BFF]> Okay. Well, if I'm innocent, there are going to be some massive, massive changes. [13:46] <%Ovidsidios> yes [13:46] <%Ovidsidios> indeed there will be 01[13:46] <&Chax[BFF]> and some goddamned good apologies. [13:49] <@SniperJoe> EVERY LITTLE THING [13:49] <@SniperJoe> IS GONNA BE ALRIGHT 01[13:50] <&Chax[BFF]> I'm going to clear my name and then I'm probably leaving BFF and CN 01[13:50] <&Chax[BFF]> $%&@ you guys if this is my payment 02[14:04] * &Turetel[BFF] (pollster.u@coldfront-C42767C0.dhcp-bl.indiana.edu) Quit (Quit: ) 01[14:07] <&Chax[BFF]> So what makes more sense here? That I'd fabricate logs to create stress for Joe and I, or that NEW/Kaskus would fabricate them to clear their names? [14:07] <@SniperJoe> Both explanations make no goddamn sense to me. [14:07] <%Ovidsidios> we are not speculating anything until the trial [14:07] <%Ovidsidios> this is not the place for that kind of discussion [[b]14:08] <@DarkFox> Should not even be a trial without the Ombudsman [/b] [b]04[14:08] <@DarkFox> should not have even demasked Chax before MoSW was constacted[/b] [b][14:08] <@DarkFox> contacted'[/b] [b][14:09] <@DarkFox> for that matter a member of the NC being put on trial was not even covered in our charter[/b] [b][14:10] <%Ovidsidios> but the Ombudsman clause would cover that[/b] [b][14:10] <@DarkFox> So all of this was premature since I don't see MoSW and there obviously wasn't a talk to the complete government since Deebo and I weren't here.[/b] [b][14:11] <@SniperJoe> Read section 4.1[/b] [b][14:11] <@DarkFox> Yes only one member of the NC can start the trial[/b] [b][14:12] <@DarkFox> but now we are running with only 2 NC[/b] [14:14] <@SniperJoe> Huh? [14:19] <@DarkFox> what I am getting at is it maybe fully legal, but that doesnt make it right [14:20] <%Ovidsidios> those are two incomparable words in this situation as neither what is legal need be right nor what is right need be legal [14:20] <@DarkFox> I agree [14:20] <@DarkFox> we didnt plan for this though [14:20] <@DarkFox> and how could we? [14:20] <@DarkFox> Mistrust among the NC? [14:20] <%Ovidsidios> ^indeed [14:20] <%Ovidsidios> ^allegedly [14:20] <%Ovidsidios> we needn't jump to conclusions yet [14:20] <@DarkFox> Tell me a week ago this would have happened and I would have thought that you lost it 01[14:21] <&Chax[BFF]> lol jumping to conclusions 01[14:21] <&Chax[BFF]> glad we haven't done that today [14:21] <%Ovidsidios> well those in charge haven't [14:21] <@DarkFox> in any case we need an acting NC 04[14:21] <@DarkFox> while Chax is detained [14:21] <@SniperJoe> Boris and I are the NC. [14:22] <@SniperJoe> It doesn't say anything about an emergency election or anything. [14:22] <%Ovidsidios> our charter does not accommodate such a revision of our NC [14:22] <%Ovidsidios> the ombudsman will be enough to handle things from here on out [14:23] <@SniperJoe> Puh [14:23] <@DarkFox> he just logged on [14:23] <@DarkFox> give him access to the govt channel and I will get him in [14:24] <@SniperJoe> Nick? [14:24] <@DarkFox> minister_of_silly_walks|bff [14:25] <@DarkFox> he needs access to both here and the private channel [14:25] <%Ovidsidios> which he needs to register his name [14:25] <%Ovidsidios> because it's been longer than 30 days [14:25] <%Ovidsidios> (maybe) [14:26] <@DarkFox> it is registered [14:28] <%Ovidsidios> then someone send him an invite [14:28] <@SniperJoe> Someone add him, I' dealign with everyone in this !@#$@#$ ame 01[14:29] <&Chax[BFF]> So when is this trial starting? 01[14:29] <&Chax[BFF]> After 12 hours of slander? 01[14:29] <&Chax[BFF]> or the full 24? [14:29] <@DarkFox> I dont know the command to give access [14:31] <%Ovidsidios> same [14:32] <@SniperJoe> ./cs access #channel nick level [14:32] <@SniperJoe> 30 for voice and I think any of you could add him at that level 01[14:32] <&Chax[BFF]> I like how my guilt is hinging on whether or not I let somebody from CN have access to my computer 01[14:33] <&Chax[BFF]> I don't even let my best friends IRL onto my computer 01[14:33] <&Chax[BFF]> Fox knows this. I leave the table for 30 seconds and I lock it 05[14:34] -frozen.coldfront.net:@#bloodforgov- DarkFox invited Minister_of_Silly_Walks|BFF into the channel. 03[14:34] * Minister_of_Silly_Walks|BFF (chatzilla@coldfront-5352DD42.satx.res.rr.com) has joined #bloodforgov 03[14:34] * ChanServ sets mode: +v Minister_of_Silly_Walks|BFF [14:34] <@DarkFox> there we !@#$@#$ go [14:34] <+Minister_of_Silly_Walks|BFF> !@#$@#$ finall [14:34] <+Minister_of_Silly_Walks|BFF> y 01[14:34] <&Chax[BFF]> welcome to the trial. [14:35] <+Minister_of_Silly_Walks|BFF> Things people have never said to me before... 01[14:35] <&Chax[BFF]> Before we begin, I'd like to remind the ombudsman of the rules here; we are following the guidelines put in place by Joseph Stalin, so keep that in mind. 01[14:35] <&Chax[BFF]> This trial shall follow a similar route to those he has held, with as much consideration for the accused as was affored in the aforementioned trials. 01[14:36] <&Chax[BFF]> ITS FUNNY BECAUSE I'M GETTING SHAFTED [14:36] <%Ovidsidios> this channel is not the location of the trial 01[14:36] <&Chax[BFF]> it's a joke, Ovid [14:36] <%Ovidsidios> not the time or the place 01[14:36] <&Chax[BFF]> I'm comparing BFF's legal system to that of the former soviet union [14:37] <@SniperJoe> My name is Joe... [14:37] <+Minister_of_Silly_Walks|BFF> ...and you are an alcoholic? [b]03[14:38] * Chax[BFF] is now known as Leon_Trotsky|BFF [/b](Edit: Bolded to show when my nick changed) [14:38] <@SniperJoe> No, I am literally Stalin 01[14:38] <&Leon_Trotsky|BFF> More fitting imo 01[14:38] <&Leon_Trotsky|BFF> (not you, joe. lol) [14:39] <@SniperJoe> I know, just making a joke [14:39] <@DarkFox> I blame one person for this joke. [14:39] <+Minister_of_Silly_Walks|BFF> Jokes have been forbidden by the Justice Tribunal of Justice [14:39] <@DarkFox> and I don't mean the attempts of humor here 01[14:39] <&Leon_Trotsky|BFF> "justice" 01[14:39] <&Leon_Trotsky|BFF> If the glove don't fit, throw him in jail anyway [14:41] <@DarkFox> and yet the blocks still fall from the sky 03[14:41] * Wolfprince (tiramisu@coldfront-3607244F.ctvea.net) has joined #bloodforgov 03[14:41] * ChanServ sets mode: +b *!tiramisu@*.ctvea.net 03[14:41] * Wolfprince was kicked by ChanServ (You are not permitted to be on this channel.) [14:42] <@SniperJoe> Someone add WP [14:44] <@DarkFox> done 05[14:44] -snow.coldfront.net:@#bloodforgov- DarkFox invited Wolfprince into the channel. 03[14:44] * Wolfprince (tiramisu@coldfront-3607244F.ctvea.net) has joined #bloodforgov 03[14:44] * ChanServ sets mode: +v Wolfprince [14:44] <+Wolfprince> well activity is up [14:45] <+Minister_of_Silly_Walks|BFF> lol 01[14:45] <&Leon_Trotsky|BFF> all I wanted to do was wake up, go to class, come back and talk to Sniperjoe while i masturbate 01[14:45] <&Leon_Trotsky|BFF> now I've got this $%&@ign icepick in my back to deal with [14:45] <@SniperJoe> Dude [14:45] <@SniperJoe> I had a !@#$@#$ awesome day [14:45] <@SniperJoe> And I wanted to talk to you about it too [14:45] <@SniperJoe> Now I have a headache. 02[14:45] * +Wolfprince (tiramisu@coldfront-3607244F.ctvea.net) Quit (Client exited) [14:46] <@DarkFox> I too had a wonderful day. One of my close friends getting $%&@ed. Great times. [14:47] <%Ovidsidios> I've had a miserable morning, and now an even !@#$tier day [14:47] <%Ovidsidios> let's get that private subforum up [14:47] <%Ovidsidios> this trial over with [14:47] <%Ovidsidios> and back to !@#$@#$ nothing [14:47] <%Ovidsidios> cause this over activity [14:47] <%Ovidsidios> is straight up dumb 01[14:47] <&Leon_Trotsky|BFF> Joe, all I wanted to do was masturbate and talk to you [14:48] <@DarkFox> masturbate "while" talking with you [14:48] <@SniperJoe> lol 03[14:52] * SniperJoe sets mode: -b *!tiramisu@*.ctvea.net 01[14:52] <&Leon_Trotsky|BFF> Well yeah 01[14:52] <&Leon_Trotsky|BFF> how else will I cum? 05[14:52] -snow.coldfront.net:@#bloodforgov- SniperJoe invited Wolfprince into the channel. 03[14:52] * Wolfprince (tiramisu@coldfront-3607244F.ctvea.net) has joined #bloodforgov 03[14:52] * ChanServ sets mode: +h Wolfprince 01[14:52] <&Leon_Trotsky|BFF> WHo put boris on trial? [14:52] <%Wolfprince> Howl!! [14:53] <@SniperJoe> What? [14:53] <@SniperJoe> Jesus $%&@ [14:53] <@SniperJoe> You're all demons and this is hell. 01[14:53] <&Leon_Trotsky|BFF> so 01[14:53] <&Leon_Trotsky|BFF> I read that as "You're all deinos and this is hell" [14:55] <+Minister_of_Silly_Walks|BFF> You play CN too much 01[14:55] <&Leon_Trotsky|BFF> lol 02[14:55] * %Wolfprince (tiramisu@coldfront-3607244F.ctvea.net) Quit (Client exited) [14:56] <@SniperJoe> Story of my life [14:56] <@DarkFox> lol para 03[14:59] * @SniperJoe (SniperJoe@coldfront-8174244A.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net) has left #bloodforgov 03[15:01] * SniperJoe (SniperJoe@coldfront-8174244A.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net) has joined #bloodforgov 03[15:01] * ChanServ sets mode: +o SniperJoe 02[15:04] * @DarkFox (Mibbit@coldfront-77D0A4F5.or.wavecable.com) Quit (Quit: [url="http://www.mibbit.com"]http://www.mibbit.com[/url] ajax IRC Client) 03[15:15] * Wolfprince (WebGuest26@coldfront-3607244F.ctvea.net) has joined #bloodforgov 03[15:15] * ChanServ sets mode: +h Wolfprince 03[15:24] * Lord_Boris|BFF (Lord_Boris@coldfront-30D8CF4A.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com) has joined #bloodforgov 03[15:24] * ChanServ sets mode: +oq Lord_Boris|BFF Lord_Boris|BFF 02[15:25] * ~Lord_Boris|AFK (Lord_Boris@coldfront-30D8CF4A.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com) Quit (Ping timeout) 02[15:25] * ~Lord_Boris|BFF (Lord_Boris@coldfront-30D8CF4A.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com) Quit (Connection reset by peer) 03[15:26] * Lord_Boris|BFF (Lord_Boris@coldfront-30D8CF4A.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com) has joined #bloodforgov 03[15:26] * ChanServ sets mode: +oq Lord_Boris|BFF Lord_Boris|BFF 04[15:32] <%Wolfprince> how is supposed to set up the thread/mask chax so he can defend himself and speak to the alliance?? [15:32] <+Minister_of_Silly_Walks|BFF> Boris I believe has already taken it upon himself to do that [15:32] <%Wolfprince> link don't 03[15:32] * Turetel[BFF] (pollster.u@277B8F40.42DE7F9E.6534539E.IP) has joined #bloodforgov 03[15:32] * ChanServ sets mode: +oa Turetel[BFF] Turetel[BFF] [15:33] <+Minister_of_Silly_Walks|BFF> [url="http://bff.cnfear.com/index.php?topic=1021.0"]http://bff.cnfear.co...hp?topic=1021.0[/url] [b]01[15:33] <&Leon_Trotsky|BFF> I'm going to let a neutral 3rd party remote my desktop[/b] [b]01[15:33] <&Leon_Trotsky|BFF> since that's apparently required in the land of injustice[/b] [15:33] <@SniperJoe> There we go. 04[15:34] <%Wolfprince> Chax cant see that thread can he? [15:34] <+Minister_of_Silly_Walks|BFF> He cannot [15:35] <%Wolfprince> WTF [15:35] <%Wolfprince> There is suppose to be a thread made (which) he can see where we get his side of this cluster$%&@ [15:36] <@SniperJoe> The subforum hasn't been created. [15:36] <@SniperJoe> Everyone !@#$@#$ relax. [15:36] <+Minister_of_Silly_Walks|BFF> The trial is on hold until we re-write a section of the charter [15:36] <%Wolfprince> I will relax when we do right by our member [15:37] <%Wolfprince> He has been accused, He deserves a place to defend himself [15:37] <+Minister_of_Silly_Walks|BFF> Wolf don't worry. he will get it [15:37] <@SniperJoe> No it's not, what are you talking about? [15:38] <+Minister_of_Silly_Walks|BFF> [url="http://bff.cnfear.com/index.php?topic=1028.0"]http://bff.cnfear.co...hp?topic=1028.0[/url] [15:38] <@SniperJoe> Boris help me ;_; [15:39] <%Wolfprince> we are splintering apart over this dumb !@#$ and need to have a thread where he can speak to all members [b]01[15:39] <&Leon_Trotsky|BFF> [15:38] <&Nascar8FanGA> RushSykes|TLR I've seen Chax's desktop[/b] [b]01[15:39] <&Leon_Trotsky|BFF> [15:38] <&Nascar8FanGA> made him refresh to prove he didn't edit the html[/b] [b]01[15:39] <&Leon_Trotsky|BFF> [15:38] <&Nascar8FanGA> he didn't fake them[/b] [b]01[15:39] <&Leon_Trotsky|BFF> you can all call on Nas if you want[/b] [15:39] <@SniperJoe> Are [15:39] <@SniperJoe> you [15:39] <@SniperJoe> !@#$@#$ [15:39] <@SniperJoe> kidding me [15:39] <@SniperJoe> This never ends. [15:40] <@SniperJoe> This is the rest of my life. 01[15:40] <&Leon_Trotsky|BFF> Spergatory 01[15:40] <&Leon_Trotsky|BFF> you earned it 01[15:40] <&Leon_Trotsky|BFF> all that masturbating, bro 01[15:40] <&Leon_Trotsky|BFF> you had to know that sin would sting you [15:41] <@johnap88[BFF|DoD]> Yet Don had skype with vibi and had shown this [url="https://www.dropbox.com/s/2bv2synkmkvaizh/ChaxFiltered.bmp"]https://www.dropbox....haxFiltered.bmp[/url] 03[15:42] * Lord_Boris|AFK (Lord_Boris@coldfront-30D8CF4A.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com) has joined #bloodforgov 03[15:42] * ChanServ sets mode: +oq Lord_Boris|AFK Lord_Boris|AFK 01[15:42] <&Leon_Trotsky|BFF> Cool story Johnap88 01[15:42] <&Leon_Trotsky|BFF> so now we've got even evidence on either side 01[15:42] <&Leon_Trotsky|BFF> and it's my word against Vibi's 01[15:42] <&Leon_Trotsky|BFF> and you're going to take his? [15:43] <@johnap88[BFF|DoD]> seen this last night, right when skype happened 01[15:43] <&Leon_Trotsky|BFF> okay 01[15:44] <&Leon_Trotsky|BFF> well this just happened about 5 minutes ago 02[15:44] * ~Lord_Boris|BFF (Lord_Boris@coldfront-30D8CF4A.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com) Quit (Ping timeout) [b][15:44] <@johnap88[BFF|DoD]> nothing can change my mind right now. its really hard to even argue against this[/b] 01[15:45] <&Leon_Trotsky|BFF> How is that true? 01[15:45] <&Leon_Trotsky|BFF> What makes more sense? That I colluded with Nas to set NEW up so...so Joe and I would have a !@#$storm to deal with? 01[15:45] <&Leon_Trotsky|BFF> Or that NEW is covering their asses with Robster's help so TORN won't leave them for being !@#$bags? [15:45] <@johnap88[BFF|DoD]> oh please 03[15:45] * Lord_Boris (Lord_Boris@coldfront-30D8CF4A.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com) has joined #bloodforgov 03[15:45] * ChanServ sets mode: +oq Lord_Boris Lord_Boris [15:45] <@SniperJoe> Both of them are ridiculous as !@#$. 01[15:45] <&Leon_Trotsky|BFF> John, even when I set Muddog up I didn't lie about it 01[15:46] <&Leon_Trotsky|BFF> I've always been honest 01[15:46] <&Leon_Trotsky|BFF> that was a !@#$storm I had to deal with and I flatout admitted it [15:46] <@johnap88[BFF|DoD]> you came out cuz people had a problem with it 01[15:46] <&Leon_Trotsky|BFF> no, i came out because muddog asked me 01[15:46] <&Leon_Trotsky|BFF> go ahead and query him about it [15:47] <@johnap88[BFF|DoD]> cuz people !@#$%*ed to him 01[15:47] <&Leon_Trotsky|BFF> nobody talked to me before he did 01[15:47] <&Leon_Trotsky|BFF> why are you so dead-set against me, john? 01[15:47] <&Leon_Trotsky|BFF> This is starting to smell like a coup 01[15:47] <&Leon_Trotsky|BFF> and you've admitted you wanted an NC spot [15:47] <@johnap88[BFF|DoD]> oh whatever 01[15:47] <&Leon_Trotsky|BFF> prove it isn't. 02[15:47] * ~Lord_Boris|AFK (Lord_Boris@coldfront-30D8CF4A.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com) Quit (Ping timeout) [15:48] <@johnap88[BFF|DoD]> so anyone who wants to run is 01[15:48] <&Leon_Trotsky|BFF> I'm convinced this is an attempt to grab power. [15:48] <@johnap88[BFF|DoD]> wanting a coup? 01[15:48] <&Leon_Trotsky|BFF> yup [b][15:48] <@johnap88[BFF|DoD]> ur $%&@ed in the head[/b] [b]01[15:48] <&Leon_Trotsky|BFF> am I?[/b] [b][15:48] <@johnap88[BFF|DoD]> HELL YES[/b] [b]01[15:48] <&Leon_Trotsky|BFF> Why are you mad? If you're innocent you shouldn't be mad.[/b] [15:48] <%Wolfprince> children stop the dumb !@#$ 01[15:48] <&Leon_Trotsky|BFF> Let me remote your desktop and prove it isn't a coup. [15:48] <@SniperJoe> If I ever find out that anyone ever causes me this much trouble to seize power in a goddamn internet game I will hunt them down in real life and strangle them to death. [15:48] <@johnap88[BFF|DoD]> i only wanted to run and made it clear that i felt INTERIOR IS NEGLECTED BY ALL OF YOU [15:49] <@johnap88[BFF|DoD]> !@#$@#$ A [b]01[15:49] <&Leon_Trotsky|BFF> and what's my justification for making this up, john?[/b] [b]01[15:49] <&Leon_Trotsky|BFF> It seems you've got more reason to coup me than I have to fake this.[/b] [b][15:49] <@johnap88[BFF|DoD]> Evidence shows you lied[/b] [b][15:49] <@SniperJoe> Let's not get dramatic here.[/b] [b]01[15:49] <&Leon_Trotsky|BFF> Evidence shows I didn't.[/b] [b][15:49] <+Minister_of_Silly_Walks|BFF> Too late[/b] [b][15:49] <@johnap88[BFF|DoD]> YES[/b] 01[15:50] <&Leon_Trotsky|BFF> We have equal evidence on both sides 01[15:50] <&Leon_Trotsky|BFF> [3:48:40 PM] Nascar8FanGA: Also 01[15:50] <&Leon_Trotsky|BFF> [3:48:42 PM] Nascar8FanGA: Bern came to me 01[15:50] <&Leon_Trotsky|BFF> [3:48:48 PM] Chax: lol 01[15:50] <&Leon_Trotsky|BFF> [3:48:49 PM] Nascar8FanGA: saying he agreed with me 01[15:50] <&Leon_Trotsky|BFF> [3:48:58 PM] Nascar8FanGA: and said it was Robster just trying to hurt you [15:50] <%Wolfprince> there will be no more talk of a coup, dont be childish [b][15:50] <@johnap88[BFF|DoD]> anyone can !@#$@#$ say that[/b] [b]01[15:50] <&Leon_Trotsky|BFF> can say what?[/b] [b][15:50] <@johnap88[BFF|DoD]> back his !@#$[/b] [b]01[15:50] <&Leon_Trotsky|BFF> why are you so dead-set against me, dude?[/b] [b]01[15:50] <&Leon_Trotsky|BFF> You haven't even tried to listen to me[/b] [b]01[15:51] <&Leon_Trotsky|BFF> you've been nailing me to the cross since before i even came on today[/b] [b][15:51] <@johnap88[BFF|DoD]> i am sick and tired of the theatrics and ur !@#$%^&*[/b] 01[15:51] <&Leon_Trotsky|BFF> where's the justice there? 01[15:51] <&Leon_Trotsky|BFF> How is this my !@#$%^&*? You didn't even let me talk before you were against me 02[15:51] * ~Lord_Boris (Lord_Boris@coldfront-30D8CF4A.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com) Quit (Connection reset by peer) 03[15:51] * Lord_Boris (Lord_Boris@coldfront-30D8CF4A.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com) has joined #bloodforgov 03[15:51] * ChanServ sets mode: +oq Lord_Boris Lord_Boris [b][15:52] <@johnap88[BFF|DoD]> why talk? you told us the other side of the story was lies and we found out the truth. why more talk?[/b] 01[15:52] <&Leon_Trotsky|BFF> Did you find the truth? 01[15:52] <&Leon_Trotsky|BFF> Then why have a trial if that's the truth? 01[15:52] <&Leon_Trotsky|BFF> You found a conflicting story, not the truth [b][15:52] <@johnap88[BFF|DoD]> we are gonna have a trial[/b] 01[15:52] <&Leon_Trotsky|BFF> conflict =/= negation 01[15:52] <&Leon_Trotsky|BFF> you've already put the noose around my neck there, bud. [b][15:53] <@johnap88[BFF|DoD]> and you seen a demo of what it is gonna look like[/b] 01[15:53] <&Leon_Trotsky|BFF> What could I possibly say, show or prove that would change your mind? 01[15:53] <&Leon_Trotsky|BFF> Yeah. It's gonna look like you already against me. [b][15:53] <@johnap88[BFF|DoD]> you better get one hell of a lawyer[/b] 01[15:53] <&Leon_Trotsky|BFF> is that what you're saying? [15:53] <@SniperJoe> He has Mogar. [15:53] <@SniperJoe> Also, arguing never solves jack !@#$. 01[15:54] <&Leon_Trotsky|BFF> Minister_of_Silly_Walks|BFF, in your power as ombudsman I hereby request that you censure Johnap88 for the duration of his trial on grounds of insubordination. Further, I humbly request that he be barred from sitting on the jury in my trial. 01[15:54] <&Leon_Trotsky|BFF> *this trial [15:54] <@SniperJoe> Now, see [15:55] <@SniperJoe> This is the kind of !@#$%^&* that just makes things worse. 01[15:55] <&Leon_Trotsky|BFF> This is ridiculous. 01[15:55] <&Leon_Trotsky|BFF> Are you all not even trying to see my perspective here? [15:55] <@SniperJoe> I am. [15:55] <@SniperJoe> I'm also being objective. 01[15:55] <&Leon_Trotsky|BFF> You all had your minds made up before i even came on IRC. Hence the Trotsky nick. 01[15:55] <&Leon_Trotsky|BFF> [15:52] <@johnap88[BFF|DoD]> we are gonna have a trial 01[15:55] <&Leon_Trotsky|BFF> [15:52] <&Leon_Trotsky|BFF> conflict =/= negation 01[15:55] <&Leon_Trotsky|BFF> [15:52] <&Leon_Trotsky|BFF> you've already put the noose around my neck there, bud. 01[15:55] <&Leon_Trotsky|BFF> [15:53] <@johnap88[BFF|DoD]> and you seen a demo of what it is gonna look like 04[15:55] <+Minister_of_Silly_Walks|BFF> I don't have that authority, CHax 01[15:55] <&Leon_Trotsky|BFF> He's stating right there that he is going to be against me 01[15:56] <&Leon_Trotsky|BFF> You do, MoSW. In legal proceedings your word is law. [15:56] <@SniperJoe> No, I didn't. [15:56] <@SniperJoe> That's why I'm asking you to provide more evidence. [15:56] <+Minister_of_Silly_Walks|BFF> On the jury thing yes, on the other thing no 01[15:56] <&Leon_Trotsky|BFF> I have screenshots [15:56] <@SniperJoe> I'm the last !@#$@#$ person who wants you to be guilty of this crap. 01[15:56] <&Leon_Trotsky|BFF> my desktop has been remote accessed 01[15:56] <&Leon_Trotsky|BFF> You have my word as friend and IC companion 03[15:56] * Lord_Boris|AFK (Lord_Boris@coldfront-30D8CF4A.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com) has joined #bloodforgov 03[15:56] * ChanServ sets mode: +oq Lord_Boris|AFK Lord_Boris|AFK 01[15:56] <&Leon_Trotsky|BFF> you have no MO against me 01[15:56] <&Leon_Trotsky|BFF> but the MO is gainst NEW [15:56] <@SniperJoe> vibi has more evidence on his side at this point. 01[15:56] <&Leon_Trotsky|BFF> What more evidence? [15:57] <@SniperJoe> The screenshot of his desktop. 01[15:57] <&Leon_Trotsky|BFF> Nas saw my desktop 01[15:57] <&Leon_Trotsky|BFF> I gave you a screenshot 01[15:57] <&Leon_Trotsky|BFF> Stalin had a $%&@ton of evidence against Trotsky, that doesn't mean he was right. [15:57] <+Minister_of_Silly_Walks|BFF> Guys, none of this decides anything. This isn't the trial [15:57] <@SniperJoe> What you didn't give me is a screenshot of your desktop, and that is what I need. [15:58] <@SniperJoe> And yes, you're right. 01[15:58] <&Leon_Trotsky|BFF> my desktop or the FB message? 02[15:58] * ~Lord_Boris (Lord_Boris@coldfront-30D8CF4A.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com) Quit (Ping timeout) [15:58] <@SniperJoe> Your desktop 01[15:59] <&Leon_Trotsky|BFF> ok...ay. [15:59] <%Wolfprince> can someone explain to me WHY he would fake those logs? [15:59] <@SniperJoe> No, I !@#$@#$ can't. [15:59] <@SniperJoe> None of this makes any sense. [15:59] <%Wolfprince> what is the MO Why would he do it? 01[15:59] <&Leon_Trotsky|BFF> hence the lack of an MO 03[16:02] * Deebo[BFF] (chatzilla@D482FC14.81F41BF6.F28BBE0C.IP) has joined #bloodforgov 03[16:02] * ChanServ sets mode: +o Deebo[BFF] [16:02] <@Deebo[BFF]> o [16:03] <@Deebo[BFF]> whats going on/ [16:03] <+Minister_of_Silly_Walks|BFF> Sup !@#$%* 01[16:03] <&Leon_Trotsky|BFF> [url="http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=114761&st=140"]http://forums.cybern...c=114761&st=140[/url] 01[16:03] <&Leon_Trotsky|BFF> that [16:03] <@Deebo[BFF]> and again why wasn't I told? 01[16:03] <&Leon_Trotsky|BFF> I wasn't either [16:03] <@SniperJoe> Because shti happens rapidly. [16:03] <@Deebo[BFF]> who is leon 01[16:03] <&Leon_Trotsky|BFF> I tried to log in and my account was restricted 01[16:03] <&Leon_Trotsky|BFF> Chax, bro [16:04] <@Deebo[BFF]> well [16:04] <@Deebo[BFF]> see [16:04] <@Deebo[BFF]> this is what needs to happen [16:04] <@Deebo[BFF]> I need to be told 01[16:04] <&Leon_Trotsky|BFF> Joe: [url="http://i.imgur.com/YguDv.jpg"]http://i.imgur.com/YguDv.jpg[/url] [16:04] <@Deebo[BFF]> I thought this !@#$ was put in the open a while back 01[16:05] <&Leon_Trotsky|BFF> Deebo, I agree 01[16:05] <&Leon_Trotsky|BFF> I wish I'd been told before I was chastised on the OWf, too [16:05] <+Minister_of_Silly_Walks|BFF> That cat is creepy as $%&@ [16:06] <@Deebo[BFF]> yes [16:06] <@Deebo[BFF]> again 01[16:06] <&Leon_Trotsky|BFF> lol [16:06] <@SniperJoe> That is not what I meant [16:06] <@Deebo[BFF]> we've made ourselves look like a bunch of slapdicks infront of the international community [16:06] <+Minister_of_Silly_Walks|BFF> Also: RollerCoaster Tycoon 2, good choice 01[16:06] <&Leon_Trotsky|BFF> and JFK reloaded [16:06] <@SniperJoe> It was unavoidable, robster or someone was gonna leak it. 01[16:07] <&Leon_Trotsky|BFF> which is a game (free) in which you kill JFK 01[16:07] <&Leon_Trotsky|BFF> loads of fun, would recommend [16:07] <@Deebo[BFF]> see 01[16:07] <&Leon_Trotsky|BFF> Joe, what do you want a screen of? [16:09] <@SniperJoe> I want you to let me remote access your computer and take screenshots of your Facebook exchange with vibi. 01[16:09] <&Leon_Trotsky|BFF> good lord 01[16:09] <&Leon_Trotsky|BFF> you know I'm !@#$@#$ paranoid bro 01[16:09] <&Leon_Trotsky|BFF> you know how hard it was for me to let Nas do it the first time? 01[16:09] <&Leon_Trotsky|BFF> I don't really trust you enough right now. no offense. [16:09] <@SniperJoe> Then I don't know what to tell you. 01[16:10] <&Leon_Trotsky|BFF> I don't know what else there is to say [16:10] <@Deebo[BFF]> I still [16:10] <@Deebo[BFF]> Dont know what is going on 01[16:10] <&Leon_Trotsky|BFF> johnap88[BFF|DoD] 01[16:10] <&Leon_Trotsky|BFF> if joe sees my desktop, will that convince you? [16:10] <@Deebo[BFF]> if I can get a tl;dr [16:10] <@Deebo[BFF]> that would be fantastic 01[16:10] <&Leon_Trotsky|BFF> Robster and vibi made fake screens 01[16:10] <&Leon_Trotsky|BFF> showed them to BFF 01[16:10] <&Leon_Trotsky|BFF> ????? 01[16:10] <&Leon_Trotsky|BFF> profit 01[16:12] <&Leon_Trotsky|BFF> GODDAMNIT WHY ARE ALL THE !@#$POSTERS ON THE OWF TAKING MY SIDE? 01[16:12] <&Leon_Trotsky|BFF> Don't they know that HURTS my defense? [16:12] <@Deebo[BFF]> why the blue $%&@ are we listening to Robster? [16:12] <@SniperJoe> literally magicninja 01[16:12] <&Leon_Trotsky|BFF> lol [16:12] <@SniperJoe> TheDon got a screencap of vibi's Facebook, Deebo [16:12] <@Deebo[BFF]> the guy who has wanted to roll us the past 4 wars [16:12] <@SniperJoe> And those screens look sketchy as hell [16:13] <@SniperJoe> But AGAIN [16:13] <@SniperJoe> Not the time or place. [16:13] <@Deebo[BFF]> I think it should be considered in high evidence that Robster can't be trusted 01[16:15] <&Leon_Trotsky|BFF> Thank you Deebo [16:16] <+Minister_of_Silly_Walks|BFF> Joe and Boris, please check your forum inboxes [16:16] <+Minister_of_Silly_Walks|BFF> BRB [16:16] <@Deebo[BFF]> more or less [16:16] <@Deebo[BFF]> I want to know why the post on the OWF was posted [16:16] <@Deebo[BFF]> that was a goddamn joke [16:16] <@Deebo[BFF]> because you see [16:16] <@Deebo[BFF]> I have to build these bridges back with the world [16:16] <@SniperJoe> I !@#$@#$ told you why. [16:16] <@SniperJoe> Read. [16:16] <@Deebo[BFF]> you didn't [16:17] <@Deebo[BFF]> say not one goddamn word why you decided to post it on the OWF [16:17] <@SniperJoe> IF WE DIDN'T IT WOULD HAVE LEAKED ANYWAY AND THIS ALLOWS US TO CONTROL THE PERSPECTIVE [16:17] <@SniperJoe> k? [16:17] <@Deebo[BFF]> how was it going to leak [16:17] <@Deebo[BFF]> robster? [16:18] <@SniperJoe> That or someone else. [16:18] <@SniperJoe> It was already out there. [16:18] <@Deebo[BFF]> we should have it be [16:19] <@Deebo[BFF]> our image has been so damnaged this month [16:19] <@SniperJoe> We should have allowed Robster or whoever to paint it however they damn well please? [16:19] <@SniperJoe> $%&@ no. [16:19] <@SniperJoe> I made the right decision for BFF, sorry. 04[16:20] <%Wolfprince> We acted in haste! now we have to live with it. But I see know reason YET to treat CHAX as a traitor! [16:20] <@SniperJoe> We didn't act with haste. [16:20] <@Deebo[BFF]> well [16:20] <@SniperJoe> And nobody is treating him as a traitor. [16:20] <@SniperJoe> People are pissed off and being dramatic. [16:20] <%Wolfprince> then we disagree on that [16:20] <@SniperJoe> And we're not having a trial until people are calm. [16:21] <%Wolfprince> Make a thread where he can defend himself against these charges 01[16:21] <&Leon_Trotsky|BFF> Okay, this is my final say in the matter, please here me out and record this for trial purposes: 01[16:21] <&Leon_Trotsky|BFF> I have not now, or have I ever fabricated logs, screenshots, or anything of that matter. I have given my word to several of you, several of my closest IC and OOC friends, that I have not lied. 01[16:22] <&Leon_Trotsky|BFF> I have engaged in shady dealings in the past, that much cannot be claimed to the contrary. However, I implore you to contact Muddog and ask him if I was anything but truthful when questioned. 01[16:22] <&Leon_Trotsky|BFF> I have provided screenshots proving my side of the story 01[16:22] <&Leon_Trotsky|BFF> my desktop has been remotely accessed by a third party, further proving my side of the story. 01[16:22] <&Leon_Trotsky|BFF> I have no MO to lie about this; Vibi and co do. 01[16:23] <&Leon_Trotsky|BFF> There is nothing more I can say, do, or send that will provide further evidence short of allowing one of you to log into my facebook account, which will not happen. 01[16:23] <&Leon_Trotsky|BFF> At the end of the day, my personal OOC security comes before IC matters. I will not be letting anybody remote access my desktop again. This is a wild goose chase; a witch hunt. I will not entertain it further. 01[16:24] <&Leon_Trotsky|BFF> On a final note, should this show trial fall against me, I will be resigning my membership in BFF effective immediately and permanently, as well as my membership in Cybernations. 01[16:24] <&Leon_Trotsky|BFF> Ball is in your court. If I am to be given a fair trial and allowed to see the forums once more, somebody should inform me via text message. 01[16:24] <&Leon_Trotsky|BFF> Respectfully signed, 01[16:24] <&Leon_Trotsky|BFF> Ernesto Che Guevara -- "Chax" 01[16:24] <&Leon_Trotsky|BFF> Founder, leader, and friend of BFF [16:25] <@SniperJoe> I've said 100 times to just wait and that it was going to happen. [16:25] <@Deebo[BFF]> I feel I should say this, no member below the rank of director will post in that OWF thread 01[16:25] <&Leon_Trotsky|BFF> 'till then, in the words of so many before me: toodles, cupcake Session Close: Mon Jan 14 16:25:25 2013 Session Start: Mon Jan 14 16:25:25 2013 Session Ident: #bloodforgov 02[16:25] * Disconnected Session Close: Mon Jan 14 16:25:28 2013 Session Start: Mon Jan 14 20:28:18 2013 Session Ident: #bloodforgov 03[20:28] * Now talking in #bloodforgov 03[20:28] * Topic is 'Official channel for BFF Member Alliances Government | Margi[NEW] Deebo sucks, long live the new Deebo! | Canik: MIA, presumed nation perma-dead' 03[20:28] * Set by Turetel[BFF] on Sun Dec 09 07:53:44 03[20:28] * ChanServ sets mode: +oa Chax[BFF] Chax[BFF] 01[20:28] <&Chax[BFF]> Is everybody here? [20:28] <@SniperJoe> Yes. 03[20:29] * &Turetel[FEAR] (pollster.u@277B8F40.42DE7F9E.6534539E.IP) has left #bloodforgov [20:34] <@constable|BFF> i dont think i have limped more people on the boards before tonight [20:34] <@constable|BFF> except spaar [20:34] <@SniperJoe> Limped? [20:35] <@constable|BFF> limp dick a post [20:35] <@SniperJoe> Ah 03[20:35] * DarkFox (Mibbit@coldfront-77D0A4F5.or.wavecable.com) has joined #bloodforgov 03[20:35] * ChanServ sets mode: +o DarkFox 06[20:35] * &TheDon125 hands DarkFox a bucket [20:36] <@DarkFox> what will you have me do with it bro [20:36] <&TheDon125> start bailing [20:36] <&TheDon125> [url="http://bff.cnfear.com/index.php?board=116.0"]http://bff.cnfear.co...php?board=116.0[/url] [20:36] <@DarkFox> mmm [20:37] <@SniperJoe> Start trying to throw the water off this sinking ship 04[20:37] <@DarkFox> $%&@ that. Chax and those who want to keep BFF alive will need me [20:37] <@SniperJoe> Or don't, I don't give a $%&@ anymore [20:37] <&TheDon125> Wrong form of bailing, DarkFox [20:37] <@Deebo[BFF]> lol [20:37] <&TheDon125> as in, start heaving water out [20:38] <@DarkFox> i see lol [20:38] <@Deebo[BFF]> well lets see [20:38] <@Deebo[BFF]> whats next? 04[20:38] <@DarkFox> well I got Chax's back until things stabilize. Though I am regretting leaving IRON. [20:38] <@DarkFox> could sit back and gain tech there with no work [20:38] <@constable|BFF> blame deebo? [20:38] <&TheDon125> Well, obviously this won't be the end of people leaving BFF 01[20:38] <&Chax[BFF]> Sorry we had a fire drill 01[20:39] <&Chax[BFF]> Okay, who all here is staying? 04[20:39] <&TheDon125> Chax[BFF]: I'd suggest returning to the fire drill, sounds like it'd be more fun 01[20:39] <&Chax[BFF]> Because I was literally just about to resign from CN 01[20:39] <&Chax[BFF]> Nah, it's over. [20:41] <@DarkFox> the inactives wont even realize anything happened [20:41] <@DarkFox> we will lose a good chunk of NS though [20:41] <@DarkFox> probably forums too Session Close: Mon Jan 14 20:46:30 2013 Session Start: Mon Jan 14 20:46:30 2013 Session Ident: #bloodforgov 02[20:46] * Disconnected 02[20:48] * Attempting to rejoin channel #bloodforgov 03[20:53] * Rejoined channel #bloodforgov 03[20:53] * Topic is 'Official channel for BFF Member Alliances Government | Margi[NEW] Deebo sucks, long live the new Deebo! | Canik: MIA, presumed nation perma-dead' 03[20:53] * Set by Turetel[BFF] on Sun Dec 09 07:53:44 03[20:53] * ChanServ sets mode: +oa Chax[BFF] Chax[BFF] 01[20:53] <&Chax[BFF]> forgot to identify 01[20:53] <&Chax[BFF]> :x [20:54] <@constable|BFF> my name is constable and I'm an alcoholic. i ride through life on the wings of a pegasus through a sea of electricity. I have no idea what the $%&@ is going on [20:54] <@SniperJoe> I !@#$@#$ love you [20:54] <@constable|BFF> so anyone want to chat [20:55] <@Deebo[BFF]> I'm going to peel an orange [20:55] <@Deebo[BFF]> and eat it [20:55] <@Deebo[BFF]> then brb [20:55] <&TheDon125> [url="http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=114771"]http://forums.cybern...howtopic=114771[/url] [20:56] <&TheDon125> FEAR now re-exists [20:56] <@constable|BFF> yeah i know [20:57] <~Lord_Boris> I love how people are raging at me for not being online because I was having a planned evening out with my better half. [20:57] <~Lord_Boris> You people really are a lost cause. [20:57] <@constable|BFF> so roll Sentinel? 01[20:58] <&Chax[BFF]> Well yeah 01[20:58] <&Chax[BFF]> obvs [b][20:58] <@DarkFox> You start !@#$ and disappear. Then call us the lost cause. You worry me bro. [/b] 01[20:58] <&Chax[BFF]> for now, we sit tight [20:58] <@SniperJoe> I wasn't raging if you're talking about me [20:58] <@SniperJoe> Just crying in desperation 03[20:59] * %Ovidsidios (Mibbit@coldfront-8686181E.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) has left #bloodforgov [21:27] <&TheDon125> Well gents, guess it's my turn to depart. [21:28] <@Deebo[BFF]> that was fast 03[21:28] * TheDon125 is now known as TheDon125|afk 01[21:28] <&Chax[BFF]> lol 01[21:28] <&Chax[BFF]> I think he meant from IRC [21:28] <@Deebo[BFF]> oh [21:28] <@Deebo[BFF]> well [21:28] <@Deebo[BFF]> $%&@ [21:28] <@Deebo[BFF]> me [b][21:29] <&TheDon125|afk> Also, motion to have trial suspended for reason of we kinda need a functioning gov.[/b] [21:48] <@DarkFox> that makes too much sense [21:48] <@DarkFox> have a good one Don 01[21:49] <&Chax[BFF]> lol 02[21:50] * @constable|BFF (Mibbit@coldfront-5469281F.rochester.res.rr.com) Quit (Quit: [url="http://www.mibbit.com"]http://www.mibbit.com[/url] ajax IRC Client) 03[21:59] * TheDon125|afk is now known as TheDon125 Session Close: Mon Jan 14 22:05:56 2013 The above logs show how dead-set things were against me from the get-go. The trial thread was never created. I was upset, sure, but I woke up to find myself locked out of our forums with the accusations leveled against me. The trial thread never ended up happening; people jumped ship for FEAR before the trial could start. Boris did what he could, but with those who would sit on the trial already gone...why would he even try anymore? I fault him not at all. He did his best, but he has RL stuff to deal with. I'd like to take the time to clear the air on a few issues as well. To my former comrades in BFF: I tried, boys. I tried to do the best for the alliance. I was prepared to leave and take the blame for all this, admit to what I hadn't done, but FEAR's people split off while I was typing my post on the OWF. I was going to do what was best for all of you. I'm sorry things ended the way they did. Good luck in the future. You're always friends in my heart. On D34th: Yeah, he's being sorta dickish in this thread, but to be absolutely fair, I've spent the last month or so attacking everything he's posted. Why? I didn't agree with him IC, but I was still being a jerk. D34th, I'm sorry about that. I understand your animosity and it's entirely deserved. On Goldie/VE: I was quick recently to piss on VE, especially Goldie. However, from his perspective, it appeared (and still does) that I flatout lied to his face and made him look like a fool on the OWF by supporting me. I understand their position and I apologize for putting them in a tough situation. I still affirm that I was innocent, but it was wrong of me to lash out against them. Fight or flight reaction, even in CN. I shiver to think I just made that comparison and it'll be weeks before I forgive myself for comparing CN to an RL fight. But to reiterate: Goldie, I am sorry. You did nothing wrong, and I still see you as a friend. On Sniper Joe: As I've said time and time again, your hand was forced. I love you, bro. Someday you'll move to Oregon and we'll snuggle or something. Haha gross. To The International: I wish the merger had gone smoother. We inadvertently got you all !@#$ on, too. You've been the most supportive allies anybody could ask for this entire time. Love you guys. To ODN and GOONS, as well as Prototype: Much line Int, you've been there for us the entire time. In past alliances I've seen allies bail in times of conflict. You're truly better than that. I wish you the best of luck. Also roll Sardonic. To VE and Deinos: My Dinohouse Brethren, I wish we could forget this, go back, and roll UPN together or something. We started our venture with high hopes for our future, but it's sorta dashed now. I'll keep in touch with you all (Chey wouldn't let me walk away, obviously, so I'll be around IRC sometimes). See the end of this message for more info. To MK: You guys came outta left field, you really did. I wish I could say I'd join you as so many have asked me to, but I think I'm well and truly done for at least a few months. AllahArchon, I thank you for blessing us with CN, and your noble servant the Citadel of Infinity has been nothing but kind to me in the last few weeks. I don't care what people say, you're good friends and cool people. To NEW: We'll never agree on those logs, but you guys were stellar allies in the past. From my beginnings with Margi to my last conversation with Coekrix (ask him for the logs, they're much too vulgar for these forums), you've always had a special place in my heart. Too bad things ended so poorly. To TORN: So thick. I'll miss you guys. Thickness, we still need to talk about the male anatomy more sometime. To Sentinel, UPN in particular, MCXA and The Legion: You guys were good sparring partners. Sorry for the animosity between us, OOC I've always thought you were a pretty cool bunch. IC I hated you (Sentinel) but that's the game, ya know? And despite my best efforts I couldn't make you all lose heart. Damn you. To my former PnL mates in CCC and NADC, among others: The recent outpouring of support was surprising, but pleasant. You were solid blocmates, damn the haters. I'll miss ya. Invicta: You're not done with me, shut your !@#$@#$ mouths. I'm still doing Jorost Radio, you've yet to see the last of me. Roll Nas. If I've forgotten you, I apologize. This is a big enough wall of text as it is. This should have been my OP but I was too emotional at the time. CN is srsbsns. [b]To Hiro, Schatt, and all the others I've argued with on the OWF and talked peace with later in PM, you guys are legit. Thanks for not letting IC carry into OOC.[/b] I'll monitor these forums for a while more to see how my old comrades are doing. And let me reaffirm that if NEW hits BFF as rumor states, my meager warchest will be rolling against them. edit: Language, warning. Recent events have left me feeling this way, and I hope for a chance to carry it out. [url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgQzZbNxZZ0"]https://www.youtube....h?v=dgQzZbNxZZ0[/url] For those who wish to stay in touch, I'm MrChax09 on Skype and Steam. toodles, cupcakes. [/quote] Nah, don't stress man, I never stress about arguements from folks here You're an okay bloke as I said before. It's been fun going back and forth and its been a pleasure chatting via private messages. Take it easy wherever you land.

[quote name='Umar ibn Abd al-Aziz' timestamp='1358324743' post='3077437'] Which way would that be then? Feel free to enlighten everybody, rather than being cryptic about it. [/quote] Why should he? It's more fun you guessing.

I'm glad we cleared the air between us via pm months ago, you're actually an okay person. Good luck on the otherside, and don't come back to this !@#$ tip of a place. You will be better off without communicating to the majority of the oxygen thief's here. Enjoy the flip side.

[quote name='Unknown Smurf' timestamp='1358284247' post='3077110'] Sigelopisan is obviously joking about NPO disbanding for those that didn't get it. [/quote] I thought that was so obvious it didn't need to pointed out. I guess some people need help.

[quote name='Rayvon' timestamp='1358269639' post='3076975'] [url="http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=114322"]http://forums.cybern...howtopic=114322[/url] Minus the dimwit, that looks like a gov right there. [/quote] Sorry I don't know what [i]govenment[/i] is? I recognize the word Government, but this elusive [i]Govenment[/i], I do not know of. Or did you miss his spelling error of communication while slating ours. At least we can spell the word. Or his mocking of our Government, to which he also spells incorrectly.

[quote name='The Big Bad' timestamp='1358268944' post='3076965'] BFF seems to share the same style of govenment as Kaskus, complete and total chaos with no communitcation in any direction while making sudden random and poorly thought out decisions. [/quote] You must be awesome at communication. You seem to spell it great, top work chief. WE don't have a Govenment either, could you point me in the direction of one?

LOL, this is just swell.

[quote name='Rayvon' timestamp='1358199543' post='3076337'] This is quite true, as with any online source. Orphaned tags, improperly closed tags, tags with a space before the close, etc .. Various items that can cause discrepancies in line spacing .... Client browsers, also, can make spacings appear different. The spacing they're inferring as "hard evidence" could just as easily be added in or removed in the same manner as the accusation of the doctoring. You can't be trusted because you're the implicated - the implicators are the only trustworthy and everything they present is iron-clad by their word. As above, it's not [i]irrefutable[/i]. Sure, it's pretty damning. But not irrefutable. Just means that one has to believe you [the implicators, not necessarily you specific] more than Chax. Seems like a loaded jury, especially since these claims are being made and acted upon while claiming 'we just don't know why' .. One man at the top. So, if Vibi speaks, being the one man, should his word then be consistently questioned and delved into and investigated before anything he says is to be believed? How about myself? How about Goldie? Your answer is going to change based on your bias towards that person. NEW didn't contact them before creating the incident that resulted in the backroom dealings you're upset about, that makes them just as guilty in the entire incident as anyone else willfully involved - even if not guilty of the same crime. [/quote] When its a case of dropping your long term bloc partner, I'd assume any government would have discussed it, and found out the facts before voting on said matter. Unless they follow like sheeple and don't question dubious actions that could be solved by working it out with an ally before taking drastic actions. I'd question any government action that involved dropping a bloc mate on 1 mans words. But hey, that's just me.

[quote name='Ovidsidios' timestamp='1358195640' post='3076283'] You speak in hindsight, and that is disappointing. That you speak so unempathetically is all the more saddening. Their is, was, and has yet to be discovered so much to this situation that you are now blindly assuming the role of vindicator as we did not too long ago. What's more is you are forgetting to understand that it is we who are bringing this to light, we who are working our hardest to get to the bottom of this (not excluding the works of others who are working as equally hard with us). You think that we harbor some malice in our mechanics, and confuse our fervor for truth as zealotry in our wants. Which is far from the case. As to the makings of our responses to each other's call is neither in your power to predict nor to determine. Seeing your absolute wanton stance on the matter, I don't see speaking to you yielding anything more useful than salt to a wound. We are following the constructs of our Charter. What war will come we have yet to determine. We must be steadfast in our efforts, but hope is a flickering luxury at the moment. [/quote] Harboring malice or not, it does not deflect away from the situation you placed NEW in, you went with knee jerking reaction and dropped them when indeed there was more to the story than 1 mans word on it. I thought your relationship and friendship would mean more than dropping them at the whim of 1 mans words. I'm personally happy you posted this. I'm not slating you for your honesty, I praise you for this action, i just can't praise you for dropping a friend who would burn for you and the backroom !@#$ talking and prepping your government member done with NPO & Co. If NEW are okay with that then more power to them.

[quote name='Sniper Joe' timestamp='1358193765' post='3076253'] Nobody knows. We haven't been able to get in touch with him yet. Excuse us for trusting a long time friend and government member. I'll be sure to let everyone know that they shouldn't assume honesty when their government speaks. I confronted him about these rumors. I asked him to tell me straight out if he lied to me. And he played me too. [/quote] Are you lot sheeple that hang off the word of 1 man? Being played or not, you should have looked into it further. [quote name='Ovidsidios' timestamp='1358193815' post='3076254'] From what I understand, the act of aiding Kaskus without the proper notification would still be a violation of our article 2, and as such a nullifying of our treaty. The continuation of the cancellation would have nothing to do with the fabrication of the logs. What is at fault here is the general tone many members took that was directly attributed to those fake logs, namely that NEW had no consideration for us and was going to drag us into a war. For that, the act of one man (and not just any man but a high ranking government official) with the proof he provided was enough to spur such a tone. [/quote] Nobodies denying that they should have contacted you. But you chose the most extreme option, rather than working with them to resolve it while maintaining a friendship (one sided it appears), NEW would Burn down to the ground for you, they obviously wouldn't have that kind of friendship returned. You acted rashly, you should have found an alternative option than outright cancelling on them. What's happened here is a friendship is ruined, because you chose to drop them instead of working with them to keep a friendship alive, not only that, the manner in which they were treated with the backroom chats with the people that were going to roll them was despicable and !@#$%*. If they ever deal with you again and strike up a friendship, it will only show their quality they have as human beings.

[quote name='Ovidsidios' timestamp='1358192657' post='3076240'] Not necessarily, from what I understand the strength of this evidence comes from the cooperative work of BFF and NEW's members. I do not wish to imply we'll buddy buddy up as we were before, but there are many good people in NEW and many good people in BFF, and to let the actions of one man ruin the friendships of many is silly. We do not have to be allies, this is understandable, but I hope we do not become enemies. [/quote] I'd be surprised if they even entertained you. Your government acted rashly and dropped them like a hot brick, fair weather friends almost. Considering the length of your so called friendship, is quite shocking. Instead you acted upon 1 mans words and followed it blindly and discarded them like trash. This has now caused a knock on affect and INT (which we already know are fair weather friends) dropped them as well, (no surprise there). As i said before, I'd be surprised if they even bothered with striking up friendship, when clearly it was one sided to begin with.

[quote name='Ovidsidios' timestamp='1358192063' post='3076229'] We all feel the same. [b]I'm hoping we will be able to rectify the situation[/b], not only with those members of the OWF who stood on the forefront of that heated debate, bit [b]most importantly with NEW.[/b] But this is politics. I'm just glad we were able to discover this before things got too out of hand. A lesson learned, now onward into the future. [/quote] That will be an interesting conversation. They would be mugs to even converse with your government.

So throwing NEW under the bus was maybe not the best idea, or do you still feel that was the right move? I'm assuming Chax was the driving force behind that maneuvering?

This thread will get interesting pretty fast, I recon.

[quote name='Dilber' timestamp='1357902814' post='3074709'] Smurf: I made you a sig. [img]http://i.imgur.com/FZelV.png[/img] [/quote] Your sigs keep getting better.

[quote name='President S O' timestamp='1357900057' post='3074704'] Seems your own alliance beat them to it. [/quote] I'm disappointed, I'm not going to lie. I am happy I'm getting to fight my 2 favorite NPO guys before I go Shame It wont escalate so I can watch the rest of this realm burn on my way out

[quote name='Jrenster' timestamp='1357881750' post='3074583'] I have not seen anymore aid come to Kaskus since this declaration. [/quote] Erm yes there has. [font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=1]1/11/2013 2:16:55 AM[/size][/font] "happy war" [center][img]http://www.cybernations.net/images/teams/team_White.gif[/img][/center] [url="http://www.cybernations.net/nation_drill_display.asp?Nation_ID=295629"]Mangkono[/url] Ruler: jabrik [url="http://www.cybernations.net/search_aid.asp?searchstring=Declaring_Alliance%2CReceiving_Alliance&search=Nusantara%20Elite%20Warriors&anyallexact=exact"]Nusantara Elite Warriors[/url] [center][img]http://www.cybernations.net/images/teams/team_Brown.gif[/img][/center] [url="http://www.cybernations.net/nation_drill_display.asp?Nation_ID=432434"]Miller[/url] Ruler: Fasser [url="http://www.cybernations.net/search_aid.asp?searchstring=Declaring_Alliance%2CReceiving_Alliance&search=Kaskus&anyallexact=exact"]Kaskus[/url] [font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=1]$4,500,000 0 Tech 0 Soldiers [/size][/font] [color=#999999]Pending[/color] SUP! Although, NPO will use the, we have sorted this one out in private excuse to avoid hitting NEW.

[quote name='Umar ibn Abd al-Aziz' timestamp='1357869990' post='3074337'] Believe it or not, that dude is now TPF's leader. And I wouldn't stress about it if I were you, they were always a !@#$%* alliance. e: And yes, if you had read the thread about MK over in World Affairs, you'd already have realised that he's a complete moron. [/quote] Umar, sometimes i wonder why i go back and forth with you, especially when you make comments like this (which are completely correct of coarse) then I remember why we go back and forth, you're a GOON.

[quote name='Namayan' timestamp='1357841739' post='3073992'] Can everyone involve please make this a global war instead of just having fun with the few of you. [/quote] Get your own stinking war!

[quote name='Longshadow' timestamp='1357840099' post='3073973'] Isaac you aren't very good at this are you? I thought you would have learned to run away after the slamming we gave you before. Don't make the big bad boogie men come out and tell you to shut up again e: Good sir you must be trying really hard to deflect from my point. People said Kaskus was good at war, I simply am showing that you aren't good at war you are good at being a pain in the bloody arse. While there are nations that need some help learning to fight (Which is why war is a wonderful ) my point is with the fact that Kaskus has nothing left to lose and its money reserves are drying up BECAUSE they continue to try to deal more damage to thsoe they are at war with by buying up lots of infra and tech spending godly amounts of money that would be better spent rebuilding or waging war. But I forgot about something: [/quote] Yea, NSO doesn't have inadequacies in their waring abilities? I beg to differ as do many others. Flip the second quote for yourself. Throw some more stones from your glass house.

[quote name='Longshadow' timestamp='1357839547' post='3073967'] Didn't you know? Isaac had to get blown up by Kaskus nations to shut him up, he's trying to redeem himself in their eyes. Yet he just can't pull it off, he's too afraid that his new alliance will tell him to shut up as well. I won't deny there are some nations with !@#$%* WCs all around (I mean every alliance has them) but this nation had a nice WC and then spent it all to try to get bigger than those attacking it and yet will still fail. So good job trying to deflect?? [/quote] What about boudica, that has money and sold all his infrastructure?

[quote name='Longshadow' timestamp='1357838692' post='3073957'] Oh good I knew this line would come out. Alright here it goes! So my question, since when is is smart to use 4/5 of your wc to get bigger than your opponents? When it does nothing but make it more fun to crush you? While I can see it being effective if you were fighting 1 on 1 but when our upper tier is free to send dongs? I must admit I am completely baffled. As to all this talk of NEW and whether they aided Kaskus or not is irrelevant, I sent messages to several of the NEW nations that sent aid and received a response that was as much a slap in the face what Kaskus continues to do to the NSO. ([url="http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc517/Palmer06/Kaskus3_zps60a9ced9.png"]http://i1215.photobu...zps60a9ced9.png[/url]) So you see this is more a matter of Kaskus and NEW being complete idiots together, hoping that we at the NSO would allow it to continue. Yet we watched what happened to GOONS we saw what made them require all of PB to help put you down, we aren't making those same mistakes and so far we have been successful, any who say otherwise are foolish, all of Kaskus' nations are under 30k NS, using nukes on nations that don't have SDIs or WRCs so the damage is skewed, for now. But remember something, Kaskus is really running out of money after all the infra jumps they have decided to make to out-size our lower tier to do more damage for less gain. What will happen when they have no more money and require more aid from NEW? Will NEW pull another stupid stunt? Or will they finally let Kaskus be destroyed? [/quote] Just like it's wise sending this nation into war with a whopping WC of $47 http://www.cybernations.net/nation_drill_display.asp?Nation_ID=383734 or what about Germania with his 15k infra and a 57 million warchest?

[quote name='Oranges' timestamp='1357831503' post='3073900'] So if NEW wanted us to attack them, and we attacked them, we would somehow be controlling our own fate? Very good. A+ for logic there, buddy. We've already covered why we're attacking Kaskus. Repeatedly. Your continued harping on about this point makes me question your ability to process information at a normal pace. A weak CB, really? Aiding a nonallied alliance during a war, that's a weak CB? Alliances have gone to wars for less. How would you react if an alliance you were fighting against was suddenly aided by a nontreated alliance? Would you support their right to do so, as you are doing now? The actions of the New Pacific Order in this conflict have been legitimate, and justified. We have a valid [i]casus belli[/i]. NEW aiding Kaskus is an act of war and they don't even have a formal obligation to do so. If they wanted to avoid this situation, they could have spent fifteen minutes drawing up a treaty. But they didn't, and this is the result. [b]Sorry,[/b] I made the mistake of doing what you would do. [/quote] It's okay, I'll accept your apology.

[quote name='Oranges' timestamp='1357830780' post='3073891'] You need to first thank yourself for aiding Kaskus and precipitating the NPO's involvement in this conflict. If NSO were so incompetent, why would the NPO wait until you gave us a legitimate and valid [i]casus belli[/i]? If it were simply about money, why would we opt for a declaration of war instead a retaliatory aid drop? Anyway, please read the previous posts before posting. We've already covered all this. Big talk for a guy who didn't move into the Kaskus AA until after NSO had declared war on them, and who only took offensive wars after NPO's declaration of war. [/quote] Are you mad? I only took offensive wars after NPO's declaration? You may want to check that fact out with NSO, I have declared on 6 nations and defended from 4 NSO before your alliance DoW. Sigh. You should check stuff out before stating stupid !@#$.