Tulafaras

Nice edit, but your post is still reaching. Leaving aside the entire discussion if Aryan's are a race (the answer is no) since that is an OOC concern, the DOW technically was because they were white supremacists, and it was attacked quite heavily at the time of it's use. Frankly looking back almost no one tries to defend that CB. It was based on years old "evidence" which was quite suspect to begin with, and enterely based on OOC reasons.

there is no treaty at all mandating war on the agressive side NO U!

As i said, it's ironic WHERE you post this, not what you post Regardless i am not getting into this discussion now, it's 6:30am here and i haven't slept yet so nope no philosophy for me now.

We call that Coalition "The Superfriends" and shock and horror, when we plan to go to war we actually meet and discuss that beforehand (if time allows). Frankly your rethoric is a joke. We did not start this war, we did not stall peace negotiations over semantics. The only thing we have dared do is back up our ally.

Are you really quite sure you are the person who wants to throw stones about what kind of "crap" we spew?

It's ironic that you are posting this into the DoW of an alliance who followed an MADP.

34 out of 78 isn't even 50% never mind 75....

true Xiph was a bit slower than the R&R poster

as long as you don't wish for udder destruction (and yes that's a bad pun based on even worse propaganda from the karma war). We'll see each other on the battlefield NSO

actually ours is over here: http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=79201

The OP includes the fact that they DID talk to their allies, which is why i am curious if everyone who is complaining missed that point. The allies in question are not currently involved in this conflict (nor are they very close in the treaty chain). Polar's ally on the other hand was a direct link between the two conflicting alliances, and a fair number of other alliances are also very close to both sides. And yes they did talk to them (as Hoo said a few days ago before the board went down) but the difference should still be rather clear to see. So no, i did not assume anything, i read what was posted and formed my opinion on that. In NpO's case i read the outrage by quite a few MK and Rok members something which this thread is completly lacking from NEW's allies. That is a rather heavily contested topic, something which has led to quite a few heated discussions in the past, and likely will continue to do so in the future. If you have an MDP with an alliance and that alliance attacks someone, are you obliged to defend them from counterattacks even if you cannot agree with the initial CB for some reason. The usual answer is: "you shouldn't have signed the treaty to begin with if you do not want to defend them".

1) TPF isn't at war so far. 2) Even if TPF enters the war they are still free to waive this treaty for this specific war. It's between NEW and TPF. 3) Considering the stance NEW has taken on raiding their position seems logical. Keeping those 3 points in mind, i find little fault with them informing their treaty partners of their stance (in private as they did) before they actually enter the war (or come close to entering. By my count they are still a few treaty chains away from actually being called upon).

double post sorry :/

And so are you. \m/ alone is not even a mouse compared to your size, which is why your Emperor stated he expects \m/'s allies to enter on their side and that you stand alone expecting them. Frankly after such a statement you really cannot complain if their allies enter. And neither can you really complain if an ally of their ally decides to make the sides even. Edit: Want me to go and post screenshots of the warscreen? Of course they are being attacked stop being ridiculous. the question we might (and can) argue is if they (as in PC) are being attacked as a defensive action or offensive action.

I am sorry if you feel offended, but since yours was not the only post where people insist on ignoring the key point of the FOK announcement i felt it was necessary to ask "your side" to read a bit more thouroughly. Considering the kind of announcements your leader has been writing in this war, i believe (and this is strictly my personal opinion, i do not have any facts or inside knowledge to back it up) that FOK felt they needed to make an equally verbose announcement. Their theory might be wrong or right (frankly some kind of grudge against \m/ was definitly present, otherwise why should Grub have singled them out in this way instead of voicing his ire against PC as well) but then on the same topic so is some of the hot air Grub was spewing in his. Regardless the point is moot, since they have entered on behalf of their ally PC who was engaged with a far stronger opponent at the point of that DoW. Offensive/defensive well that is a slippery slope to discuss in this specific case, because you could e-lawyer argue both sides equally well. I made an argument for defensive in a previous post, and i stand by it, but frankly as FOK said they did not feel the need to e-lawyer in a similar war. As their tl:dr stated pretty clearly the situation for them was clear: One of our most loyal allies is engaged in a war against a far stronger opponent. The far stronger opponent has refused peace. Therefor we enter to prevent our ally from burning alone. Could they have been clearer?

considering the size of the NpO on the one hand and PC and \m/ on the other hand i can safely state that yes they are "being attacked". Are they being attacked by a seperate alliance as well? No but the NpO has more than enough warslots to attack two alliances at once. PC has entered a war on the defensive side in honor of their treaty, and is now being attacked by the agressive side. That the NpO did not need to bring in any allies to fight the war is immaterial.

so, reprimanding the members in question and posting a public apology is your definition of "idly", i must admit my dictionary has a different one.

No one has ever policed Bob. Any attempt to "police" was usually a rather thin smokescreen for different motives. Frankly a police can only exist if some kind of rulership exists to create laws, since we lack the later we cannot have the former.

Read the OP. They're entering the war because they do not believe their ally PC deserves to burn alone, the opinion piece they posted above that is merely background information and their subjective opinion.

You seem to lack reading comprehension. I'll try to explain it to you in small words because you seem to have missed a key point or two in the OP: 1) The OP is split up into two parts, one being their subjective opinion of the general situation. There is no proof and they do not even pretend that they have proof, but it is their opinion. You can disagree with that opinion of course that is your right, but frankly neither of you has any kind of proof. 2) The second part of the OP is the treaty activation and their DoW. Basically they are in this to defend PC their ally. So, now to get back to your post, you do not make the slightest bit of sense. Wether they have a grudge or not is a moot point, since their DoW was based on a treaty activation.

Curious point, but people did you maybe miss the fact that they did in fact talk to their allies in private before posting this? I'll assume that they reached some kind of agreement with their MADP partner, who knows maybe TPF as a whole will sit this thing out (considering the amount of damage they took not even 3 weeks ago i wouldn't blame them). Aside from TPF they have MDPs with WAPA, TOOL and FEAR (if the wiki is up to date), personally i do not even know if those 3 will all end up on NpO's side...

that's BS. KoN wanted donation deals as reps, those were paid for by athens. Regarding community standards, i am not going to try to argue with you Bob. You have an opinion, which i obviously do not share, but since both of our opinions are based on feelings it is not worth an argument which won't go anywhere anyway. Fact remains that the NpO decided this was a crusade worth fighting and as a result it looks like we'll blow up a decent amount of infra and glow green for a month. Well worse things have happened...

FoA got a new protectorate from the Corporation as their "price" for peace. As such yes, the situation WAS handled. On the other hand they could have said no to peace and the protectorate and hoped someone would back them up, that was their choice and we know which option they choose. No matter how you turn this around, the situation of FoA was over and done with, full stop. Grub himself has said he is waging this war because of community standards (and yes that is a very short summary of 2 rather lengthy posts). Frankly as soon as that empty phrase is being thrown around i stop listening to their excuses. No such thing exists, this is a board where by default a true "standard" cannot be developed because we do not have any mechanism to create those. So basically his community standards are a subjective opinion based on his perception of the OWF. Frankly that slope is too slippery to make a good CB which is why so many people disagree with the CB (even if they dislike \m/).

Correct me if i am wrong, but aren't racist slurs usually considered OOC insults? Don't get me wrong, i find them deeply offensive as well, but only in their OOC context. To be honest i don't even know what my IC ethnicity is set to, so an IC slur regarding the ethnicity (sp?) of my nation wouldn't really touch me.

i am not really sure what kind of strange words you are reading, but i am decently sure we are not reading the same posts. Obviously i would defend my nation, and also obviously i would expect my alliance to defend my nation otherwise why would i be in an alliance? We have also left the topic the thread is devoted to, quite far behind. If you want to continue this sidetrack you can find me on irc or send me a pm....