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[quote name='Ardus' timestamp='1357170312' post='3070638'] 2007 called: it wants its posturing back. [/quote] 2000 called, it wants its line back.

Since MK is confident they can take TPF. You all should just declare on them

Thanks for all the work into the last few updates Gopher

There was a comic on reddit about us.

[quote name='keeology' timestamp='1356817259' post='3069200'] interesting numbers. is that off of total score, NS,Tech,Nukes? [/quote] Its ranked by Score, the other stats are there so you can compare what you'd like.

I decided to see where the current blocs stack up against each other. Here are the results. 1. [664] [b][color=#ff8c00]Duck Roll Project[/color] : [/b]126.5 Strength: 32,559,532 Tech: 2,348,413 Nukes: 9,175 2.[758][color=#00ffff][b]Does Equis[/b] [/color]: 109.45 Strength: 26,683,047 Tech: 1,864,400 Nukes: 9,401 3.[621][color=#ff8c00][b]Complaints and Grievances Union [/b][/color]: 108.87 Strength: 27,619,998 Tech: 2,053,903 Nukes: 7,492 4.[363][b]Doom House[/b] : 79.97 Strength: 21,042,813 Tech:1,921,044 Nukes:5283 5.[513][color=#0000cd][b]Aftermath[/b][/color] : 71 Strength:17,086,988 Tech:1,106,760 Nukes:5,017 6.[573][color=#800000][b]Super Friends[/b][/color] :64 Strength:14,403,580 Tech:886,238 Nukes:4,624

http://www.cybernations.net/stats_demographics.asp Anyone else find it interesting that this war is actually making CN decrease in NS?

[quote name='sir pwnage' timestamp='1356797031' post='3069121'] I believe the statement was more a general one, not specific to the argument people are choosing to have right now. And if you don't believe that how people perceive the past affects how they act in the present... that's a dangerously dismissive philosophy to have. [/quote] It was made in the context of the discussion going on now about MJ and SF, don't be stupid.

[quote name='sir pwnage' timestamp='1356755997' post='3069015'] I believe the point was that whoever can most adeptly cast the events of the past in a light that makes them look good and others look bad will eventually triumph. The statement loses a certain flair when it's spelled out like that, but I guess some people just need the "simple English" version... [/quote] Problem is the argument that has been happening the last page, is very irrelevant, so the original comment just isn't true. It has nothing to do with simple English, and has everything to do with being able to see the world as it is.

[quote name='flak attack' timestamp='1356737975' post='3068928'] And SCY comes in to prove my point. [/quote] And Flak Attack posts something stupid.

[quote name='Ardus' timestamp='1356734339' post='3068909'] Conquer the past, command the future, deary. [/quote] So whoever can win the argument of something about MJ and SF will then attain power? Right...

Congratulations to our friends in R&R.

[quote name='Ardus' timestamp='1356209278' post='3067063'] It is? Oh... oh my... fiddlebiscuits! Oh bother! My face is so red... oh gosh! [/quote] You're cute when you blush.

[quote name='Bob Ilyani' timestamp='1356205641' post='3067038'] Do you really think that, though? Or are you simply parroting your own party line? The fact of the matter is, the OP contains absolutely no substance. There are no screenshots, pastebins, or IRC logs to validate any of what he has claimed in his post. If there were, then it would be a different story, and your post might be more accurate. But at this stage, the post is about as valid as some random TIO member going on the OWF and posting a bunch of random stuff that they think is alliance policy without providing any sort of proof to those claims. As in, not valid at all. The people who are against MK are going to call this a climactic victory because it parallels the warped view they have of MK's foreign policy. Likewise, the people for MK are going to discredit the OP through and reject his post because it goes against the warped view they have of MK's foreign policy. And, ultimately, anyone who theoretically came into this thread without any opinion of MK or its foreign policy will read the post and look for proof to confirm the quite strong claims that are being presented. They won't find any. [/quote] I don't think people should take the OP as 100% truth, but i do think people should look at it critically and decide for themselves what parts of it are true and which ones are not. From what I can tell Brickyard is posting honestly, but is limited to only knowing opinions of people inside of the alliance and is showing us the opinion. He is limited by not seeing the gov and because its impossible to know everything that an alliance's membership believes, he can only make generalizations based on his observations, much like if any one of us tried to describe the opinions of our own alliances, our descriptions would be limited. That doesn't mean there isn't anything to learn though from a member describing the opinions in an alliance just that the description isn't perfect. And no, this isn't a climactic victory for the detractors of MK. But it is an embarrassment for MK.

[quote name='Rush Sykes' timestamp='1356156383' post='3066879'] This post explains alot. You seem to equate thinking with broad assumptions. It really is quite genius. It also offers a compelling explanation into your many months of successful leadership of the mighty MCX.... Oh wait... Nevermind. [/quote] Ok, it looks like you haven't been reading. So let me spell it out for you. MK members have been parroting their line that this thread will change no one's mind because everyone is going to believe what they believe regardless of what they hear and see. I on the other other hand suggested that these arguments still have value in how they shape individual's opinion. You see, I'm saying people are thinking, and MK is saying everyone is just making assumptions. You however, don't seam to be interested in responding to whats actually being posted. I'm guessing you're just angry and are firing off words at the moment without much thought as you haven't taken the time to understand the basics of what you are reading.

[quote name='Yevgeni Luchenkov' timestamp='1356151437' post='3066844'] Your side will be happy with it, as it reinforces whatever it is you think of MK. Our side won't care as we visibly can see it for what it is: a minor post, with no relevant logs, posted by a former member and expressing his opinions. Unless you tell me people in unaligned/neutral/peripherical (proper word?) alliances (the famous swing alliances) are going to change their mind about us because of that post, no, then, we definitely don't care about it. And I really doubt it changed the mind of anybody. [/quote] Members of MK seam pretty against people thinking in this thread.

[quote name='Crymson' timestamp='1356141099' post='3066774'] After careful analysis of this thread by a team of politicians, we've concluded that this thread serves no particular purpose. [/quote] Or its just an embarrassment to one of your allies, and so you're trying to downplay it?

Dajabo, my every working with you has been enjoyable, and I know you are going to be a great emperor for Polar. Best of luck.

[quote name='Sardonic' timestamp='1355956477' post='3066019'] Oh please, if you think DR or AI were *that* interested in striking MK, they would have done so when MK was vulnerable during the Dave war, I'm not holding my breath for a cbless strike on MK from DR/AI. It's patently obvious to even the most casual poltiical observes that SF wants to use DR against MK, and to use them return to power. Your sphere has been working on doing this for many months, even scoring a few treaties for your efforts. Spreading your message like iterant preachers, shouting from the mountaintop about the great MK devil. [/quote] Watch out guys, SF is out to get us and return to power! [quote] we have no interest in giving you or anybody allied to you a CB. [/quote] Wait... You're afraid of SF?

[quote name='Emperor Marx' timestamp='1355981190' post='3066217'] That's quite a stretch and you know it. Also a poor joke. Worse than the ones I make. [/quote] As its already been pointed out by a few, it in fact, is not a stretch at all. In both cases an alliance takes in a person who is being ZIed for spying and starts a war. But you should argue the point, I'd love to see several pages of comments about how Kaskus is pulling what MK did six months ago.

[quote name='Emperor Marx' timestamp='1355897736' post='3065697'] Are you sure you're not bitter for caving in on your grand crusade to pay us for your freedom after all the tough talk and all that caring you don't do? You really seem to be enamored with us. It's quite cute. [/quote] Really hadn't even crossed my mind, so no I'm not bitter. It just appears to me that your post had a little bit more of emotional malice to it than most of the other comments here.

[quote name='Emperor Marx' timestamp='1355894164' post='3065662'] I wonder if Kaskus will respond in the same manner they do with all normal open-and-shut cases by throwing out the rule book and going full retard. [/quote] You aren't still bitter by chance are you?

[quote name='Ardus' timestamp='1355888480' post='3065608'] No alliance is ever more than a step away from getting rolled. Case in point: Ramlins. MK has enjoyed success through recognition of that fact, taking care to know the contours of the line between victory and defeat. The greatest triumphs lay at the border; it is there that we reside. [/quote] But the border moves much closer to you when you are out of power. If your kingdom loses the next war, you will have far less freedom for the shenanigans you have pulled in the past, and it will show in how the Kingdom acts. A year from now we could all be talking about how your alliance has spent a year doing nothing.

I'm sorry, but why do we care if TPF has done anything or not? If TPF entertains TPF, that is good enough. They don't owe anyone else entertainment. Secondly this argument by people in alliances that have power that gives them the freedom to do many things, that alliances with less power aren't doing anything is stupid. Those who are outside of power have less room to maneuver or take risks that will get them rolled. On the other hand it is much easier to do as you please if all you risk is rolling some one else. MK has done many things in the past few years, but they're not doing as much now. Why, because their power has waned and a miss step could easily get them rolled.