Krunk the Great

[quote name='WarriorConcept' timestamp='1319919947' post='2834635'] The coalition was even in comparison to Legion, but keep up the spin. It's amusing. [/quote] 130 nations vs 200 nations is even? Keep up the spin, its making you look even more retarded than you already look.

[quote name='WarriorConcept' timestamp='1319918899' post='2834620'] Can't wait until the NSO surrender thread. [/quote] It's not hard to beat up a coalition half your size. What's hard is beating up an alliance twice your size, which we're doing pretty well considering, you know, being generally outnumbered.

[quote name='Flonker' timestamp='1319918212' post='2834611'] Speak for yourself. You're well on the way to becoming an anklebiter just like RV. [/quote] Aww, baby can say anklebiter. Next, baby needs to learn how to use it in proper context and apply it to the proper people.

[quote name='SamVimes' timestamp='1319911186' post='2834564'] I have said plenty, but your the one that keeps moving the goal posts. [/quote] You have only spewed semantic garbage. "He never said this explicitly" leads to "He also never said this explicitly" When in reality what he said implies both. EDIT: Edited previous post for clarity of thought.

[quote name='SamVimes' timestamp='1319910314' post='2834552'] He never said the info he gave to tetris was around for any time at all. [/quote] He also never said (Either implicitly or explicitly) that it wasn't. EDIT: For clarity of point.

[quote name='SamVimes' timestamp='1319909839' post='2834543'] And your member has admitted to supplying screenshots of Legions non-public areas to Tetris, which is an act of spying, I think that's all the evidence that's needed since it's a confession. [/quote] Sounds more like an act of "Hey, look how pathetically stupid Legion is" than spying, since the screenshots came into our member's hands the same way.

[quote name='SamVimes' timestamp='1319909351' post='2834534'] but since your making us take your word as proof [/quote] There is nothing to prove.

[quote name='Lurunin' timestamp='1319909096' post='2834528'] got proof it was in circulation? link to it in CNTel like you all claim? [/quote] I am under no obligation to tell you everyone who received the circulating information.

[quote name='Flonker' timestamp='1319908564' post='2834521'] [url="http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/acquire"]This.[/url] Pay particular attention to the first definition and stop Clintonising. [/quote] The information had been circulating for quite a while. Such that the true source of the information is clouded in mystery, much like a game of telephone. No non-allied alliance was under any obligation to stop the circulation, as the little "Intelligence" clause does not exist. You know what they say, once things get on the internet they spread like wildfire -- much like sexting.

[quote name='Sabcat' timestamp='1319902834' post='2834465'] [url="http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=106028&view=findpost&p=2825543"]http://forums.cybern...dpost&p=2825543[/url] There you go. [/quote] Thank you for having the decency.

[quote name='Flonker' timestamp='1319904792' post='2834480'] I'd love to know how somebody can publish information without 'aquiring' it. Yeah, they (Tetris) aquired it. This has been gone over in excruciating detail for the last month. Nobody is disputing this. [/quote] Or were just given the information. You never can tell with these things. Acquiring implies they sought the information out, which you can't exactly prove unless you're a mind reader or want to admit to spying and do the very thing you hate tetris for doing

[quote name='Flonker' timestamp='1319901004' post='2834449'] Do your own research. [/quote] Im not the accuser, I don't have to do a thing If you can't point to a post I guess it doesn't exist. (Because if it did, you could)

[quote name='Flonker' timestamp='1319899972' post='2834439'] Varianz claimed responsibility for the screenshots. It's in the OWF, go find it yourself. [/quote] Burden of proof is on the accuser my good sir.

I congratulate Legion on breaking 4m NS. May you continue to grow in the same direction.

[quote name='MisterShadow' timestamp='1319870945' post='2834320'] I like how people keep saying the odds. Face it the odds were even, you can say oh BTA and IAA never fought, well you dont discount them. You showed your cards, we showed ours its not our fault if you were holding a full house while we held a straight flush. As for damage going forward 41,544.88 of the 62,198 infra of tetris is in piece mode (infact 20% of their infra is 1 nation). Cant inflict much more damage and another 4586.99 about to be deleted tomorrow. Btw Krunk it is 2.2mil lost for Legion 1.7mil for NSO. 670k lost for Tetris. 400k for NsO and I know for damn sure 2.77>2.2 [/quote] The odds were never even. BTA and IAA never fought [b]meaning their strength was a mere inflation[/b]. I can say they didn't fight because they [b]didn't[/b]. I know for sure 2.2 > 1.7. The fact still remains. You need to burn 2.2 mil to knockoff a comparable, or even slightly larger number from a coalition that is effectively half your size. This "Zomg IAA and BTA still declared war so they count" only serves to pad your ego against the inevitable: Your margin of "victory" is nothing more than pathetic considering a coalition half your size shouldn't be doing this much damage to you. I will say this again, since you seem intellectually incapable of comprehending this: Only alliances who actually contributed anything more than a token resistance count. Their addition to the war effort was like the effort of so many legionnaires:worthless statistic bloating.

[quote name='Sabcat' timestamp='1319896744' post='2834426'] I'm not sure what you mean here. NSO aren't some heroic band of warriors defending an ally. [b]They provided Tetris with screen shots that Varianz obtained from a spy in Legion and hatched an inept plan to create a larger conflict.[/b] They're fools who have caused their ally Tetris to be left in pieces all over the floor. All I can deduce from their "staying the course" as you put it is that their stupidity is matched by their pride. [/quote] Wow, Talk about baseless accusations. Legion attacked Tetris We attacked Legion because we have a MDP and that's what MDP partners do. Your fixation with Varianz can't be healthy.

[quote name='Muddog' timestamp='1319866183' post='2834297'] Interesting the stats seem to speak differently, but I suppose that's just the hot air again right? Keep up with the self esteem taps, "you are are a powerful alliance, you have lots of potential, your doing so well in the current war...." [/quote] Interesting considering I am quoting those very statistics that you claim are saying we're being soundly defeated...by losing 500k less total NS over the course of the war. Legion: 2m over the course of the war NSO: 1.5m over the course of the war. Impressive, considering the odds. If you were really beating us as soundly as you claim I would, at the very least, expect those numbers to be switched. Possibly even a 3:1 in your favor. But alas, you can only muster a 2:3/2 *not* in your favor. [size="1"]But let's not cloud the issue with facts of course. Legion is quite obviously beating us up, and is obviously losing a full third as much NS as we are. They obviously use the full advantage of their size and coordinate excellently. [size="2"]Im not numerically illiterate like you and some of your colleagues appear to be, 2m > 1.5m. Period.[/size] [/size]

[quote name='T.Hubb' timestamp='1319857068' post='2834181'] Good luck rebuilding BTA, IAA, and NsO. Thanks also to NSO for being the biggest collection of whiners and babies I've ever seen gathered in one sad alliance. You all have pulled a crying, sobbing full court press since you decided to come into this conflict. /inb4alotofbutthurtNSOscrubssaynoyou [/quote] We wish only to counter your blatant lies and claims of "winning" with what is actually accurate. The Sith have never been in the wrong in any war and we certainly are not in the wrong for honoring a treaty. Its not like you're taking more damage than we are or anything.

[quote name='Timeline' timestamp='1319852042' post='2834139'] What the hell do you know about CB's ?, LoSS had proved and had matching IP's of you spying on them when they kicked you out for the worthless lowlife you are, the only reason it did not go to war was simply because LoSS did not have the support or the power at the time to win. and when this was reported all his nations was deleted the next day. [/quote] You really should fact check before you attempt to spew out any more lies. [list=1][*]LoSS did not Kick me out, I resigned of my own accord[*]Any of these alleged issues took place after I had left.[*]LoSS also did not have a valid, noncircumstancial CB[*]My nation was deleted near new-years. The alleged "spying" took place months prior.[*]I was told My nation was deleted alongside the other, when the nation you are accusing of spying along with me had left the game at the end of the incident, again months prior.[/list] [quote name='LeonidasRexII' timestamp='1319854419' post='2834158'] Make that used and abused. Why anyone would want to fight alongside NSO after this I can't fathom. Fair warning to NSO allies in the future. You'd better cause twice the damage or you're going to get slammed by the Sith mouthpieces. [/quote] Because NSO obviously wanted IAA to come in and explicitly asked [b]Their allies' allies [/b]to come in and support. Remind me never to expect an alliance who has declared war on my side to give more than three or four wars (In essence, legionesque contribution when it is most advantageous instead of standing by their ally) against the enemy. NSO has not called in her allies, nor have they for the duration of this conflict.

[quote name='LeonidasRexII' timestamp='1319851065' post='2834131'] IAA didn't believe, it's leader did and dragged them into a war they didn't want. He was subsequently removed for his actions. Unsupported? They posted screenshots of our forum here on the OWF, and then admitted they ran the op, again here on the OWF! If you still think it's unsupported there a a LOT of posts I can show you that our CB was one of the most clear cut in years. [/quote] One member posted images from an unknown and unverified source in public that contained no sensitive information. The alliance then proceeded to NOT throw him under the bus and refused to be bullied by Legion. Refusing to be bullied is a clear cut CB? Unless you want to actually admit the CB was "We're butthurt and we're tired of continuously being made fools of" of course. Legion should have instead rooted out the real spy before he had a chance to get any information that would actually tell the world something they didn't already know.

[quote name='Duke Nukem' timestamp='1319850453' post='2834125'] You don't exactly need the truth when your alliance was obviously in the wrong (tetris/NSO) and they baited and molested your alliance (Legion) for months. They finally grew some balls and manned up and attacked them. [/quote] With an unsupported CB no less. (OOC: Your grammar in that particular post is....rather bad...took longer than usual to decipher it)

[quote name='LeonidasRexII' timestamp='1319850047' post='2834123'] IAA's heart was never invested in this war; their swords merely followed. The only ones truly invested were the IAA's leader at the time and some of his strongest supporters, but we all know where that went. Still whatever your opinion of an ally is it should be kept private IMO. To both of you I'll direct you once again to my point on wills. IAA didn't believe in the cause beyond those previously mentioned so what followed shouldn't be surprising to anyone. [/quote] If IAA didn't believe in the cause they shouldn't have declared war so nonchalantly. I'll direct you to common sense and what a declaration of war really means. How can you not believe in the cause of your ally is fighting and needs your help?

Had IAA put more into helping their friends in NsO who were in turn helping their friends in Tetris (Not NSO), they may have made an appreciable dent. Rather than give a legionesque effort. The alliances who deserved honor were accorded it (NsO coming to mind)

[quote name='LeonidasRexII' timestamp='1319846737' post='2834104'] Wow, I've rarely seen such a contrast between allies as I've seen between Tetris and NSO. From what I've seen and heard Tetris has been very gracious for the sacrifices it's allies have made, and that is typified here. A very welcome reprieve from the accusations NSO has been spreading about BTA/IAA/NsO almost from the point this war began. Ave Tetris on the class move. The respect I found for you on the battlefield is only amplified by your show of respect due to those who fought beside you. [/quote] What accusations? We merely point out their lackluster performance -- Tetris wants to thank individual nations for their sacrifice and that is their prerogative.

[quote name='Schattenmann' timestamp='1319834973' post='2833942'] No, Legion can trounce you into needing a bailout, which doesn't help you anyway since it provokes their allies into aiding them, stave off the ankle-biters BTA, IAA, and NsO, t-bone Tetris, annnnnnd keep fighting you. The only stalemate is the one in the negotiations room, not on the battlefield. [/quote] You really think you're supporting Legion with this garbage you are spewing? Losing relatively the same number of pixels does not qualify either trouncing or being trounced. 50/40 percentage spread is negligible when we are talking about numbers in the millions. You really don't know much about statistics do you? Let me break it down for you. Legion-6 NSO-3 1/6 vs 1/3 16%/33% If you look at straight NS, the stats favor NSO If you look at % Lost, the stats favor Legion If you look at both, the stats favor no one. The statistical difference between both is negligible. Both have taken the same amount of damage. EDIT: The 1/6 1/3 is to show differences in percentages and does not reflect an actual number