MisterShadow

I was going to post but I think that everything has been said in the past 100 pages. You will probably see me quitting shortly enough and my nation probably has a billion worth of wonders so would you take that off the reps? Clearly I am one of the "feared" recovery nations. I have all but 1 or 2 economic wonder.

PZI eh?

My point was this will change after the war, at least I hope

It certainly is interesting indeed. NPO has always been "the one to hate". I used to watch in GWII (Legion wasnt involved) Ivan's, Dilbers, Zhadums, President Pierce, everyone I could think of and get a bit of glee as their nations were destroyed. Then I realized that this is exactly what makes the game fun, watching the destruction. Really lets be honest this game is boring, without war things are no fun. I hope that this war does not see the disbandment of NPO or another long term resistance (since i think NPO wouldnt disband). But lets get the curbstomping dynamcis out. The other thing is to those not in NPO it is a different culture than anywhere I have been before, I mean honestly how many other alliances have even gone ahead and made their flags into rl ones?

The Legion believes in nom nom it doesnt matter how they nom they are just going to nom

Chal while I respect you. I do not think the Legion has become a puppet. We try and keep an active embassy with the legion. We spend time in their forums, we spend time on the IRC. It is not like we go in and say Hey we are going to war we want you now. To be completely honest I didnt know they were joining until they actually announced and I know that is the case for quite a few other former legion members. One could say that if Legion maintained its disdain for the NPO it would serve them well in this war. That is not how the new Legion should have existed. There is basically no one there from GWI so why should they keep that disdain. If you have someone that is constantly insulting you, you can a) ignore it, B) Punch them or c) try and talk to them. And in that regard this legion is the same as old, they choose to use words. Chal you have always been a good friend.

Well I will make a reappearance into this thread after my insanely stupid mistype of page 2 (Ill keep it there since I am know for mistypes Rooster anyone?). First off to the person that said VL was a bad leader, he was one of the best (also he was the PM during GWIII and GunneR was MoD). It is incredible the smear that has taken place. The 'old' Legion is smeared by NPO for years over GWI and yet there was still a ton of people that lived within the legion despite that malice. That is the way the legion has always been people showing malice towards it. When I was there all I wanted to do was show the legion was no pushover and I think we did that in UJW despite being called puppets. Yah okay you might be able to be called us puppets but at the time there was only one person that showed us compassion and that was ES. Go Figure. Although I will leave the story telling to Swampy as he is far better than I and self centered than I. Rak, while i respect you and still do, you made the decisions you did (as did I) and to say that the legion doesnt deserve to be here is false. Still to this day I believe that it was necessary to disband, in that a lot of the "old guard" had to leave or we would have been completely rolled. Legion I have always respected the way you are, you know that. I dont care if you sat out, fought on the side of Karma or whatever. You are a great alliance, new and old. Just because you choose to bear the name of the past is why you catch this flack. I think this is a great testament to the planet of bob. The Legion, the alliance that has taken probably more hardships from the NPO has come to fight for it (yes FAN also). Many say this is a suicide mission so that doesnt make the legion opportunistic, they knew the odds coming in, have still chosen to fight. Keep trolling trolls, I know it is easy to do and I know it gives you a high, I have been there. But if your malice is really directed at NPO then keep it directed there not at someone who is upholding an agreement. You search for a new CN then I can think of no greater CN where the legion can finally live without being constantly trolled.

Well M*A*S*H I was there when the first treaty was signed with you. Even though I have since left the Legion I understand why you are in the war and why you are on the opposite side but I still say to you, happy hunting

ODN I am disappointed I thought you only shared caek with the legion

Lets roll legion like we did in the past

To all those saying TPF is cowardly, I am sure they await your DOW

I think of all yours this would be the hardest one for people

Alright so lets look at this way 1. Viceroy, First off I dont think generally people would accept this within NPO and it seems quite a few people outside dont like this either. 2. Disbandment or "trimming", first off disbandment should be determined by those in power not by an outside influence. Then all of a sudden you have 900 or so people (quite possibly bitter) that they were forced from their homes. Now if they are forced to join other alliances, this game has a high enough turnover for most elected alliances someone could gain power in 6 months and go seeking revenge. 3. Reps, I understand 4. Removal of Revenge Doctrine, I see this as interesting because even when I was outside NPO I enjoyed it because it was a pact to defend anyone on the red sphere and generally that meant just flexing a little bit of muscle and saying please dont attack in the red sphere providing a safe place for anyone looking for a large trading sphere. 5. Admitting loss in GWI, Would this really be needed this is really just to stroke peoples egos. Heck I was in Legion and I had 0 to do with GWI yet I was part of a govt. that apologized for it. It is interesting how many people wish to blame the NPO for being war mongering and "keeping the little guy down" yet I have been there for 5 months and outside of this war the only war that has happened (other than ongoing PAX and FAN) was Jarheads. I mean NPO could have destroyed GATO and Legion at really any point in the last 2 years but they are still living. And btw I did fight FAN in GWIII and you guys were really nice and since I was not in NPO at the time I cant really comment on much other than from the outside looking in you guys are probably one of my fav alliances out there, and had not been for me not sharing the rl love of guns that you guys do I probably would have joined. I for one think that if FAN is free after this then all the better, people deserve a second chance. People in the NPO may see this as a betrayal but I dont mind, if I am Zi'd either way so be it. I am not going to abandon the NPO as it comes under fire because that is not who I am. I will not leave while friends stay and be hunted down. I fight for my friends and it so happens they call NPO home, so in that regard I fight for the NPO. -MAX PS For the person that suggested the nuclear restraint, It has already been done It was called "For the love of god please think of the children" however in GWIII many people pulled out of it. Lord Swampy tried to renew it but alliances werent interested.

My goal has been to see things from different prespectives and meet new people. I try to stay at an alliance at least 6 months, so yes

Raj Are you refering to QUOTE (PieMan @ Aug 11 2008, 09:54 PM) * Prove that they knew about Chickenzillas nation being Chickenzilla. proof = we're bigger. Doitzel this is my CN history Legion -> MCXA -> EDEN (formed) -> NPO

I do not see the commonality of the 2 situations. I am merely saying if someone has proof of NPO committing OOC attacks, I will leave the alliance and surrender period. I was merely gauging whether anyone would state the same thing about their alliances

This is what I am refering to, this is the 3rd post of page 27 Post I stand by this, so if someone can show me significant OOC attacks from this war then I stand by my statement

You stated that the leaders of NPO did an OOC attack, I asked for proof you ignored me. So is there proof or did you just say there was and there isnt?

Vox more than likely wouldnt be able to take seats now. Vox was determined while others were just lazy, if you notice due to the game changes senate voting has just shot up massively. Although if Vox had a mass migration then yes they could take a seat, but it is substantially harder to maintain 3 than gain just 1.

If you aint drunk you aint doing war right.

At the fear of going to far off topic. I am going to post anyways He has Ice Cream and Chocolate Cake. I have Beer and Bikini Car Wash. That being said, my government turned communist overnight

Are you saying I am doing bad? ;(

Amoshi if I may ask how long have you been with GOD? Yes this is a tad bit of a side track but a quesiton I have none the less

My comment was made to Orkules in regards to how we are apparently throwing TORN under the bus stating a fact of a DoW being after war declarations. I challenged to find 1 TORN member that felt NPO (as in LoD or myself since we seem to be the ones discussing it) were throwing them under the bus because of those comments. As for sinking ship, I dont run from war and if this indeed a sinking ship then I will stick around to make sure everyone gets a life vest.

Well since I am one of the 2 NPO members that are on damage control, as I have been portrayed oddly enough. I will say that I do not know that information, you have just as much of a guess as mine. Of course our biases may lay in different camps, thus leading to differing conclusions.