kitex Posted December 29, 2009 Report Share Posted December 29, 2009 OOC: Let's do this thing OOC'ly as that way it's easier. ***PRIVATE : CAN MEMBERS ONLY***Proposal: CAN Joint-Military Force (CAN-JMF) Reasoning: Seeing as how we're all in the Arctic, we're within reasonable distance within one another, but sometimes allies may need assistance before we can get to their nation. Which is why I propose a CAN Joint-Military Force as to have a small force deployed in each CAN member nation, so that military assistance will be able to be rendered immediately rather than allies waiting precious days or weeks for help. The CAN-JMF would be made up of a yet to be specified number of soldiers, tanks, and planes from member nations. They would all then be deployed to member nations in small, but manuverable units. This would be good as it increases Confederation military ties and also allows the soldiers of individual nations to not only meet their allies, but to also help establish more unity and cohesion among CAN member forces. Please e-mail me if you're interested at azumacandiplomat@bh.zee.com OOC: PM me if you're interested. So far, myself, Pikachurin, Karnee, Californian, and Dr Kintobor (via PM) have agreed to this, so let's go and work out the details. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pikachurin Posted December 29, 2009 Report Share Posted December 29, 2009 OoC: As I've said before, each nation will contribute to a percentage of the military force. Higher end nations will probably contribute more in terms of equipment, money, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitex Posted December 29, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 29, 2009 OK, but we need to specify. How many soldiers will be in the JSF? How will it operate? Who will be in charge of the entire JMF (eg military cimmander of the JSF)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pikachurin Posted December 29, 2009 Report Share Posted December 29, 2009 How many soldiers will be in the JSF? We need military numbers from every single member to determine this. How will it operate? I agree that the force should not be mobilized until times of war, but once we are at war, this will force us into spending precious time in getting this force set up to full operational capacity. I suggest that we create this force and put into a reserve status, nearly always a 1/4 of its actual strength in times of peace. This will allow us to use this force as a quick response strategy, being able to reach the enemy and set up a front while it reaches full operational strength. Who will be in charge of the entire JMF (eg military cimmander of the JSF)? We can create something similar to the UN Security Council. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UN_Security_Council Two possible scenarios for how the Security Council is going to be made up: 1. The Security Council is made up of representatives from every single member nation 2. The Security Council is made up of seven seats; four are permanent and three are voted on. The four permanent seats are occupied by the founding members, while the rest are given to other members. Seats are assigned by a vote of the Security Council's permanent members. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Californian Posted December 29, 2009 Report Share Posted December 29, 2009 (edited) Proposed Amendment to CAN Charter X. Joint Security ForceThe members of CAN shall maintain a Joint Security Force (CANJSF) for the defense and safety of member nations. This force may not be used for aggressive purposes. The operation and use of the CANJSF is outlined in the Arctic Defense Doctrine. Arctic Defense Doctrine Article I: Contribution to CANJSF a. The CANJSF will consist of 100,000 men. Each member nation will contribute troops and supplies to the CANJSF based proportionately to the amount of infrastructure a nation possesses. b. Current CAN nations, infrastructure, and amount of troops to contribute to CANJSF: Federal Republic of Grøenlandia - 5499.99 infrastructure - 20,110 Disparu - 5,300.00 infrastructure - 19,380 Eggman Empire - 6,737.01 infrastructure - 24,640 Cyneriice Northan - 1,180.00 infrastructure - 4,310 Monbossa - 235.85 infrastructure - 850 Blue Heaven - 3,400.00 infrastructure - 12,430 Kingdom of Niciae - 4,999.99 infrastructure - 18,280 Total - 27352.83 infrastructure (3.66) - 100,000 troops c. The amount of troops from each nation will fluctuate depending on admissions of new member states and growth. The forces contribution will be rescaled every three years (ooc: 3 months) or when a nation leaves/joins the CAN. d. Each nation must supply at least three patrol boats for this security force. If a nation cannot afford or supply the patrol boats, they will not be required to provide them. e. Each nation must supply at least one aircraft squadron for this security force. If a nation cannot afford or supply the aircraft, they will not be required to provide them. Article II: Deployment and Operation of CANJSF a. During times of peace, only one-fourth of the total force may be on active duty. The troops will be stationed throughout member nations. The remaining CANJSF will be reserves, able to mobilize within 24 hours. b. CAN nations agree to set up one to five camps in their country to accommodate the security forces. c. The camp shall legally be part of said the nation to which it resides in. That nation's laws and regulations will apply. Any soldier accused of breaking the law will face a military tribunal from that nation. Article III: Leadership of CANJSF A. Security Council a. Each nation will be have one vote in the Security Council, headed by the CANJSF Chairman. With a majority vote the Security Council can change any law or rule regarding the CANJSF. b. The country with the largest amount of troops in CANJSF will be allowed to select the CANJSF Chairman. The Chairman is in charge of the CANJSF and all rules, regulations, etc. regarding it. His main duty is to continue the day-to-day workings of the CANJSF. He is in charge of the Security Council. c. If a vote of no confidence is held and passes regarding the Chairman's inability to properly execute his functions, the nation with the next largest contingent of troops will be allowed to pick a Chairman. B. The Operations Commander is in charge of all military operations during times of war and is in charge of the CANJSF forces. a. Every three years (ooc:3 months) member nations will vote for the CANJSF Operations Commander. Any CAN nation may nominate a qualified individual. Article IV: Regulations regarding CANJSF a. The CANJSF may only be used if a member nation has been invaded or if it's sovereignty has been infringed upon. b. The CANJSF may never attack a CAN nation unless the nation has attacked another CAN nation or the legitimate government requests help should its nation be subject to a coup or rebels. Article V: Amending the Arctic Defense Doctrine a. Changes may be made to the Aarctic Defense Doctrine with a majority vote from the Security Council with the approval of the CANJSF Chairman. b. Article IV. may not be removed Article VI: Ratification of Arctic Defense Doctrine a. Becoming or continuing to be a member of CAN implies a nation has agreed to all terms and articles in the Arctic Defense Doctrine. b. This Doctrine shall come into effect with a supermajority (66%+1) vote of current CAN nations. A rough draft has been submitted. Please make any changes or requests as necessary. OOC: Darn you Pikachurin for posting a completely different idea before me Edited December 30, 2009 by Californian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitex Posted December 29, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 29, 2009 (edited) WOW! That's a darn good rough draft. Still I think the JSF commander shouldn't be the person with the most troops, but the general with the most war experience. Edited December 30, 2009 by kitex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Californian Posted December 30, 2009 Report Share Posted December 30, 2009 (edited) I edited some stuff. The Chairman is from the nation with the most troops. He is head of the Security Council and mainly in charge of all non-warfare aspects of the JSF. The Operation Commander is in charge of all military operations and is elected, so the most able person will (hopefully) be elected to lead. OOC: Feel free to post your critiques and suggestions guys Edited December 30, 2009 by Californian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitex Posted December 30, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 30, 2009 I edited some stuff. The Chairman is from the nation with the most troops. He is head of the Security Council and mainly in charge of all non-warfare aspects of the JSF. The Operation Commander is in charge of all military operations and is elected, so the most able person will (hopefully) be elected to lead. OOC: Feel free to post your critiques and suggestions guys Well seeing as I'm the only person I know with Civil Affairs in his division, I think that I should be in charge of non-warfare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
verum vox vocis Posted December 30, 2009 Report Share Posted December 30, 2009 Truthfully, this topic belongs in Open National. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pikachurin Posted December 30, 2009 Report Share Posted December 30, 2009 OOC: Darn you Pikachurin for posting a completely different idea before me It looks good. The only problem I have is with Article III:A:a: a. Each nation will be have one vote in the Security Council, headed by the CANJSF Chairman. With a majority vote the Security Council can change any law or rule regarding the CANJSF. Since observers aren't under the CAN's military clauses, only members should be able to vote and participate in the Security Council. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eggman Empire Posted December 30, 2009 Report Share Posted December 30, 2009 OOC: Draft looks awesome. I like the security council with the 4 perma seats and 3 temporary. Btw, if we went with the biggest nation leading the way, that would be me. But I don't want to be a jerk and the "whoever has the most military experience" idea sounds like a winning pony. So, who's been in the most wars recently? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime minister Johns Posted December 30, 2009 Report Share Posted December 30, 2009 Looks good so far but we need to add additional details for naval forces, since I am primarily a naval power and I am willing to contribute the use of my navy for patrol duties and to serve as motherships for smaller patrol craft to extend their range. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karnee Posted December 30, 2009 Report Share Posted December 30, 2009 (edited) I'm liking everything with the draft so far, except for what its missing. I'm with PM Johns, this should also be expanded to naval forces as most of us our or have the majority of our territory in island areas. Everything about the draft deals only with the creation and peace time running of the CANJSF. What about when we're at war. I think we are all under the assumption that this is going to be a quick force. It goes to where the fighting is and sets up a front till it is at full operational capacity, all this within a few hours of the conflict. I suggest we add a section that deals with all political and military issues with the CANJSF. eg. During times of war will all borders be suspended for a unified defensive effort? Edited December 30, 2009 by Karnee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cybil de Blanc Posted January 2, 2010 Report Share Posted January 2, 2010 Suspended borders sound good to me. The rough draft is also good, in my opinion, save for flaws already pointed out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acca Dacca Posted January 2, 2010 Report Share Posted January 2, 2010 OOC: Wow. Considering this amendment to your charter, this makes CAN the most unfied bloc in CN history. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karnee Posted January 2, 2010 Report Share Posted January 2, 2010 OOC: Don't forget potentially the most powerful. I wouldn't also mind seeing some details about The Chairmen and Operations Commander. The Chairmen runs the CANJSF, but the Operations Commander is the Head of all military matters. so who is the one in charge during times of war. The draft puts this in favour with the Operational Commander but doesn't take into account The Chairmen's control over the whole of the CANJSF, then again the CANJSF is chiefly a military force, so any if all matters are military any way? This needs a little clarification. A question that also needs to be answered is whether this is purely a reaction force? An enemy attack and they respond, or do we give them the green light to attack first? Can I also add that after we solve this problem we are faced with another and that is political restrictions of these positions. Dose this mean that the mean and women of these positions can declare war on other nations or alliances without consulting the CAN? How about the use of chemical or nuclear weapons? We have in this charter no fall backs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Californian Posted January 3, 2010 Report Share Posted January 3, 2010 OOC tags aren't necessary because we are in the Open National RP you know. OOC: Don't forget potentially the most powerful. I wouldn't also mind seeing some details about The Chairmen and Operations Commander.The Chairmen runs the CANJSF, but the Operations Commander is the Head of all military matters. so who is the one in charge during times of war. The draft puts this in favour with the Operational Commander but doesn't take into account The Chairmen's control over the whole of the CANJSF, then again the CANJSF is chiefly a military force, so any if all matters are military any way? This needs a little clarification. The OC is essentially the top general, he controls all troop movements on the battlefields. The Chairman controls the day to day operations and maintenance of the force, leads the security council with adopting new rules and amendments when necessary, decides where to allocated funds, and acts as the diplomatic face of the CANJSF. A question that also needs to be answered is whether this is purely a reaction force? An enemy attack and they respond, or do we give them the green light to attack first? I would say reaction force. We can have a vote if you want it to have preemptive capabilities, but my nation would vote no. Can I also add that after we solve this problem we are faced with another and that is political restrictions of these positions. Dose this mean that the mean and women of these positions can declare war on other nations or alliances without consulting the CAN? How about the use of chemical or nuclear weapons? We have in this charter no fall backs. Considering the CANJSF should have no preemptive capabilities they would not be capable of declaring war after an aggressive action had already happened. If one of us is getting nuked or attacked with chemical warfare there is something major going on that requires much more than this force. Just remember, if a major war involving the CAN were to break out, I would be committing the majority of my forces, not just in the CANJSF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karnee Posted January 3, 2010 Report Share Posted January 3, 2010 Right that answers my questions, really good rough draft by the way, we just need to update it with what was said above. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Californian Posted January 4, 2010 Report Share Posted January 4, 2010 Alright, sounds good. If no one wants to edit the draft themselves I'll do it in a day or two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Californian Posted January 9, 2010 Report Share Posted January 9, 2010 (edited) Arctic Defense Doctrine Article I: Contribution to CANJSF A. Ground Forces a. The CANJSF will consist of 100,000 men. Each member nation will contribute troops and supplies to the CANJSF based proportionately to the amount of infrastructure a nation possesses. b. Current CAN nations, infrastructure, and amount of troops to contribute to CANJSF: Federal Republic of Grøenlandia - 5499.99 infrastructure - 20,110 Disparu - 5,300.00 infrastructure - 19,380 Eggman Empire - 6,737.01 infrastructure - 24,640 Cyneriice Northan - 1,180.00 infrastructure - 4,310 Monbossa - 235.85 infrastructure - 850 Blue Heaven - 3,400.00 infrastructure - 12,430 Kingdom of Niciae - 4,999.99 infrastructure - 18,280 Total - 27352.83 infrastructure (3.66) - 100,000 troops c. The amount of troops from each nation will fluctuate depending on admissions of new member states and growth. The forces contribution will be rescaled every three years (ooc: 3 months) and when a nation leaves/joins the CAN. B. Navy a. Each nation must supply at least three patrol boats for this security force. If a nation cannot afford or supply the patrol boats, they will not be required to provide them. A nation can provide more ships if available. b. The CANJSF navy will be allowed to patrol all CAN member nations’ waters. c. The CANJSF navy is operated under the CANJSF Naval Command which is directly under the control of the Operations Commander. C. Air Force e. Each nation must supply at least one aircraft squadron for this security force. If a nation cannot afford or supply the aircraft, they will not be required to provide them. A nation can provide more planes if available. b. The CANJSF air force will be allowed to patrol all CAN member nations’ air space. c. The CANJSF air force is operated under the CANJSF Air Command which is directly under the control of the Operations Commander. Article II: Operation of CANJSF A. Security Council a. Each full CAN member nation will have one representative and one vote on the Security Council at all times. b. Members of the Security may suggest legislation and directorates to the Chairman and may also approve all legislation and directorates with a majority agreement. c. The Security Council must convene at least once every week and additionally at the Chairman’s request. d. The Security Council headquarters shall be in St. Mystere, Disparu. B. CANJSF Chairman a. The Chairman is selected every 3 years (ooc: 3 months) on a rotational schedule of all CAN member nations based in alphabetical order of the nation’s English name. b. The Chairman leads the Security Council. The Chairman must initiate and present any legislation or directorate to the Council before it may be voted on. c. The Chairman is in charge of the CANJSF budget and must present a budget every year with the majority approval of the Security Council. d. A vote of no confidence may be initiated against the Chairman and if a supermajority approval of the Security Council is achieved the chair will rotate to the next nation on the schedule. e. Any appointed Chairman must be at least 40 years old and have valid citizenship in a CAN nation. C. Operations Commander a. The Operations Commander is in charge of all CANJSF military personnel and operations. The Commander can deploy and engage forces. b. Every three years (ooc:3 months) or when there is a vacancy the Security Council will vote for the CANJSF Operations Commander. Any CAN nation may nominate a candidate that meets all requirements. 1. The candidate must be at least 30 years old. 2. The candidate must have at least 10 years of military experience. Article III: Regulations regarding CANJSF a. The CANJSF may only be used if a member nation’s sovereignty has been infringed upon or it has been aggressively invaded. The forces will not be deployed if a member nation aggressively starts a conflict with another nation. b. The CANJSF may be deployed if nuclear, chemical, or biological weapons are used against a member nation. c. The CANJSF may never attack a CAN nation unless the nation has attacked another CAN nation or the legitimate government requests help should its nation be subject to a coup or rebellion. Article IV: Deployment and Operation of CANJSF a. During times of peace, one-fourth of the total force may be on active duty. The troops will be stationed throughout member nations. The remaining CANJSF will be reserves, able to mobilize within 12 hours. b. CAN nations agree to set up camps and institutions in their country to accommodate the security forces. 1. The camps shall legally be part of the nation in which it resides. That nation's laws and regulations will apply. Any soldier accused of breaking the law will face a military tribunal from that nation. c. During war all CAN borders will be temporarily suspended for a more unified and rapid deployment. Article V: Amending the Arctic Defense Doctrine a. Changes may be made to the Arctic Defense Doctrine with a supermajority (2/3+1) vote from the Security Council with the approval of the CANJSF Chairman. b. Article III. may not be removed Article VI: Ratification of the Arctic Defense Doctrine a. Becoming or continuing to be a member of CAN implies a nation has agreed to all terms and articles in the Arctic Defense Doctrine. b. This Doctrine shall come into effect with a 75%+1 vote of current CAN nations. Edited January 9, 2010 by Californian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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