Vasili Markov Posted February 27, 2009 Report Share Posted February 27, 2009 No, I am attacking you. I need no reason. I could attack Triyun today if I felt like it, regardless of having a cassus belli. You seem to think it is an OOC problem to attack somebody when it really is IC. If you don't respond IC, then I will proceed with the conquest of your entire nation without resistance. Naturally I would prefer you do that, but you have the chance to reply IC Delivered by messenger with a memorised message to UFE headquarters. (CLASSIFIED) Will the United Francoist Empire ignore the Feederites Union treaty in the face of this unprovoked attack? III. To Protect As the Union is Francoist it is our duty to help protect other francoist nations of the world. If a Useritie is found to be bulling a Feederite nation than no matter if that nation is not part of the Union, it is still the Union’s job to protect that nation. The only time it is all right to ignore a Francoist nation is when it’s falsely claiming to be one or if it will hurt the majority of people in the Union which would hurt francoism as whole. IV. War The Union recognizes each nation is just a brother or sister from a different part of the world. Thus the Union will always fight together in less a nation request no help in a war. This means if a Union member gets attacked than the attacker will be attacking every Union member. This is the same with aggression, if a Union member starts an aggressive war for justified reasons than it’s the rest of the Union duty to fight alongside that nation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triyun Posted February 27, 2009 Report Share Posted February 27, 2009 (edited) Our comrades at the Tahoe Empire are not userites they are Francoists furthermore our own satellites confirm an ICBM launch against the Tahoe Empire. The Tahoe Empire in ADDITION to that is a Ferrous Pacific Treaty partner that went to nuclear war for us at a moments notice. BEYOND THAT, they are our oldest ally. Edited February 27, 2009 by Triyun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maelstrom Vortex Posted February 27, 2009 Report Share Posted February 27, 2009 (edited) ooc: I love it, I pull my own missiles that people were complaining about so incessantly after finding out for them and telling them WHY the missiles are not possible. This is the last time I do anything good for this community. I am not recognizing this RP unless a moderator or GM instructs me to do so, then I will respond. I wish to point out it wasn't that LVN immediately pointed out to me Plasma Sheaths, we came to the conclusion together. Edited February 27, 2009 by Maelstrom Vortex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadowsage Posted February 27, 2009 Report Share Posted February 27, 2009 Our comrades at the Tahoe Empire are not userites they are Francoists furthermore our own satellites confirm an ICBM launch against the Tahoe Empire. The Tahoe Empire in ADDITION to that is a Ferrous Pacific Treaty partner that went to nuclear war for us at a moments notice. BEYOND THAT, they are our oldest ally. OOC: If Memory serves, didn't he launch the missiles from a fleet of bombers off the coast of Tahoe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maelstrom Vortex Posted February 27, 2009 Report Share Posted February 27, 2009 (edited) OOC: If Memory serves, didn't he launch the missiles from a fleet of bombers off the coast of Tahoe? ooc: The theoretical missiles which could not launch because it was discovered they couldn't possibly exist would have been fired from launch silos in Tasmania. Now I'm going to go participate in the other threads which aren't as blatant metagaming and actually enjoy myself. Edited February 27, 2009 by Maelstrom Vortex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadowsage Posted February 27, 2009 Report Share Posted February 27, 2009 OOC: Oh, nevermind then. Although, it makes me a bit suspicious that Triyun's satellites had nothing better to do during nuclear volleys than to monitor a non-capable nation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maelstrom Vortex Posted February 27, 2009 Report Share Posted February 27, 2009 (edited) Anti-air defenses had been crushed during the night as a surprise raid by hundreds of Tahoan aircraft destroyed missiles, guns and radar emplacements across southern India. At the same time, any and all military aircraft Dragonisia could send against the Tahoans were systematically hunted down and destroyed, most still on the ground. ooc: BTW, even if I were to start to acknowledge this, I would still have to call god-moding. You do not have the power to assign casualties to the defender. Sorry MUDD. All aircraft sent in your raid would be systematically destroyed by my F-60s. No.. pardon, this didn't even happen because you obviously do not know how to properly RP a war. You obviously didn't even check to see what aircraft or air defenses I had at my disposal. The time of reckoning for Dragonisia had begun... ooc: More like the time of Mudd's delusion. I wish to remind you, your major cities on your seaboard lie in nuclear ruin. I doubt you even have the logistical capabilities left to get your aircraft supplied near India. Anyone care to recap what a nuclear strike does to a nations military in CN? Oh wait.. it leaves practically NOTHING left.. How do I know? I GOT HIT BY ONE! And you took how many!? [View Improvements and Wonders] Disaster Relief Agency, Foreign Airforce Base, Great Monument, Great Temple, Internet, Interstate System, Manhattan Project, National Research Lab, National War Memorial, Social Security System, Stock Market, Strategic Defense Initiative And oh look! No FALLOUT shelter! Edited February 27, 2009 by Maelstrom Vortex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tahsir Posted February 27, 2009 Report Share Posted February 27, 2009 OOC: Oh boy! Opening post god mods! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maelstrom Vortex Posted February 27, 2009 Report Share Posted February 27, 2009 ooc: BTW, keep it up mudd, and I will take advantage of the fact you have no army, no navy, no airforce, due to the effects of multiple nuclear attacks.. and no infrastructure.. and Dragonisia WILL invade.. and you will lose everything as I will have 300,000 troops to your 0. I am being kind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V The King Posted February 27, 2009 Report Share Posted February 27, 2009 (edited) OOC: Seems like we need a GM or mod ruling in order to determine whether if the missiles attacks even took place or not. And Mael, we do not RP nuke effects as they are in-game, else anyone hit by any nuke in Europe would've their military wiped out - which was not the case. So yes, he has military still. EDIT: And don't you think Nukes would be a little too broken if a single warhead demolished the whole military of a country? o_O Edited February 27, 2009 by V The King Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maelstrom Vortex Posted February 27, 2009 Report Share Posted February 27, 2009 (edited) ooc: It did mine >..> and I rp'd it that way, so no, I do not. To research this you'd have to check RP from like.. 07/2008. Edited February 27, 2009 by Maelstrom Vortex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Kevz Posted February 27, 2009 Report Share Posted February 27, 2009 OOC: Ok if something is proved wrong or doesnt work you can't just say oh it never happened nevermind then. How do I know this because it happened to me. back when my nation was living on Svalbard it got attacked by a number of nations and I rped a navy that attempted a break out against suprior numbers then I was told no it wouldn't work so I said ok it never happened and guess what I was told that you can't just undo things ytou have to live with the consequences. So yes Mael your nukes were launched at tahoe but their stealth systems failed now you have to live with the consequences. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Centurius Posted February 27, 2009 Report Share Posted February 27, 2009 (edited) OOC: Oh, nevermind then. Although, it makes me a bit suspicious that Triyun's satellites had nothing better to do during nuclear volleys than to monitor a non-capable nation. OOC: Dude in Nuclear War everyone watches everyone even Allies. ooc: BTW, keep it up mudd, and I will take advantage of the fact you have no army, no navy, no airforce, due to the effects of multiple nuclear attacks.. and no infrastructure.. and Dragonisia WILL invade.. and you will lose everything as I will have 300,000 troops to your 0. I am being kind. OOC: Must I remind you Tahoe is part of MDAPs with people who have everything? And the strongest ships IG are immune to Nuclear Weapons not to forget he has a Foreign Airforce Base Edited February 27, 2009 by Centurius Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MercyFallout Posted February 27, 2009 Report Share Posted February 27, 2009 (edited) OOC: /me facepalms. /me facepalms. /me facepalms. /me facepalms. /me facepalms. /me facepalms. /me facepalms. /me facepalms. /me facepalms. /me facepalms. /me facepalms. /me facepalms. /me facepalms. /me facepalms. /me facepalms. Hawk, Sargun, and I will have to talk about this. But I still facepalm at both sides. Edited February 27, 2009 by MercyFallout Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triyun Posted February 27, 2009 Report Share Posted February 27, 2009 OOC: Ok if something is proved wrong or doesnt work you can't just say oh it never happened nevermind then. How do I know this because it happened to me. back when my nation was living on Svalbard it got attacked by a number of nations and I rped a navy that attempted a break out against suprior numbers then I was told no it wouldn't work so I said ok it never happened and guess what I was told that you can't just undo things ytou have to live with the consequences. So yes Mael your nukes were launched at tahoe but their stealth systems failed now you have to live with the consequences. OOC: I must say I'm in total agreement here. Setting a precedent of a mulligan every time you make a mistake can lead to people insisting on redoes till they win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uberstein Posted February 27, 2009 Report Share Posted February 27, 2009 OOC: I must say I'm in total agreement here. Setting a precedent of a mulligan every time you make a mistake can lead to people insisting on redoes till they win. OOC: I also agree, but I think that this thread needs to be redone with more OOC communication between the two sides, because both are god modding to different degrees. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maelstrom Vortex Posted February 27, 2009 Report Share Posted February 27, 2009 (edited) OOC: Ok if something is proved wrong or doesnt work you can't just say oh it never happened nevermind then. How do I know this because it happened to me. back when my nation was living on Svalbard it got attacked by a number of nations and I rped a navy that attempted a break out against suprior numbers then I was told no it wouldn't work so I said ok it never happened and guess what I was told that you can't just undo things ytou have to live with the consequences. So yes Mael your nukes were launched at tahoe but their stealth systems failed now you have to live with the consequences. ooc: They're not nukes. OOC: Must I remind you Tahoe is part of MDAPs with people who have everything? And the strongest ships IG are immune to Nuclear Weapons not to forget he has a Foreign Airforce Base ooc: Those folks got nuked to in most cases and sure, he might have a foreign airbase.. so a few of his planes survived. My entire air force, army, and air defenses have survived. OOC:/me facepalms. ooc: I know exactly how you feel bud, but not being able to get a straight ruling from a moderator on whether or not these would work I would argue is part of what put the RP in this situation. I asked for a straight forward, direct ruling multiple times.. all I got were conditional statements. OOC: I must say I'm in total agreement here. Setting a precedent of a mulligan every time you make a mistake can lead to people insisting on redoes till they win. ooc: This is not asking for a Mulligan. This is saying this never happened to begin with because the missiles did not exist to be launched. They simply do not. Either they passed the test and were produced, or the failed the test and were not. They were explicitly tested for stealth at all parts of the test. If they were going to fail, when I asked the game mods, they should have said "The missiles failed the tests." Or "The missiles passed the test" and the world should deal with the consequences. "MAYBE (especially if it favors a certain group later for us to allow you to have them and then remove them or their capabilities later)" is not a valid ruling. OOC: I also agree, but I think that this thread needs to be redone with more OOC communication between the two sides, because both are god modding to different degrees. ooc: For once I agree, but I point out that I've not god-modded anything yet as I've not yet taken action in IC but to object to the nature of this role play and the poor principles upon which it has been allowed to be founded. I'm tired of wishy-washy answers on critical issues that end up biting respective parties in the rumps later. For the sake of proof, here is the test thread. To reiterate, I withdrew these missiles after Moderators approved their operation in their existing formats.. but did more research at the request of some in the community and with the aid of LVN.. WE came to the conclusion that the missiles were not able to be built stealthy and I VOLUNTARILY withdrew them from canon. If Mudd still wants to take the hits and act like he hasn't a clue in the world where they came from and RP them as they were approved IN CANON, he is still welcome to do this. It'd actually make for some relatively interesting rp. If you guys keep pushing this, I'll just stop contributing to the community in general. I am trying to be helpful in my actions. Edited February 27, 2009 by Maelstrom Vortex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subtleknifewielder Posted February 27, 2009 Report Share Posted February 27, 2009 OOC: Ok if something is proved wrong or doesnt work you can't just say oh it never happened nevermind then. How do I know this because it happened to me. back when my nation was living on Svalbard it got attacked by a number of nations and I rped a navy that attempted a break out against suprior numbers then I was told no it wouldn't work so I said ok it never happened and guess what I was told that you can't just undo things ytou have to live with the consequences. So yes Mael your nukes were launched at tahoe but their stealth systems failed now you have to live with the consequences. OOC: One, they weren't nukes, and two, he RP'd testing them. Therefore, he would have found the flaws, or he would have asked his allies to find them (namely, myself and Silhouette). OOC: I must say I'm in total agreement here. Setting a precedent of a mulligan every time you make a mistake can lead to people insisting on redoes till they win. OOC: Please see above sentence. Also, i notice Maelstrom has replied. I recommend you read the post above mine for his answer... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Centurius Posted February 27, 2009 Report Share Posted February 27, 2009 ooc: Those folks got nuked to in most cases and sure, he might have a foreign airbase.. so a few of his planes survived. My entire air force, army, and air defenses have survived. OOC: Only 2 in the BTP got hit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maelstrom Vortex Posted February 27, 2009 Report Share Posted February 27, 2009 OOC: Only 2 in the BTP got hit. ooc: True, but my point remains that his military and a few of his allies are in fact crippled right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subtleknifewielder Posted February 27, 2009 Report Share Posted February 27, 2009 (edited) ooc: True, but my point remains that his military and a few of his allies are in fact crippled right now. OOC: This. Completely obliterated or no, they are not going to be having much foriegn capability right now, with the devastation and chaos that should be reigning in their homeland about now... Edited February 27, 2009 by Subtleknifewielder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uberstein Posted February 27, 2009 Report Share Posted February 27, 2009 (edited) ooc: True, but my point remains that his military and a few of his allies are in fact crippled right now. OOC: Or trying to help his own populace with military resources, but maybe that's just what a normal leader would do... Edited February 27, 2009 by BaronUberstein Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Frost Posted February 27, 2009 Report Share Posted February 27, 2009 Neo Japan recognizes and supports Tahoe in its endeavors OOC: cut ooc. Maelstrom, you provoked this, deal with it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subtleknifewielder Posted February 27, 2009 Report Share Posted February 27, 2009 Neo Japan recognizes and supports Tahoe in its endeavorsOOC: cut ooc. Maelstrom, you provoked this, deal with it OOC: Look, does he have to paint a clearer picture? He RP'd testing the missiles, he RP'd a success. However, upon being shown further evidence, he realized his mistake, and retracted the firing. HE WOULD HAVE FOUND THE FLAWS IN THE TESTING PHASE, AND THEREFORE SCRAPPED THE PROJECT WHEN IT FAILED! Therefore, the firing at Tahoe never happened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Frost Posted February 27, 2009 Report Share Posted February 27, 2009 (edited) OOC: Look, does he have to paint a clearer picture? He RP'd testing the missiles, he RP'd a success. However, upon being shown further evidence, he realized his mistake, and retracted the firing. HE WOULD HAVE FOUND THE FLAWS IN THE TESTING PHASE, AND THEREFORE SCRAPPED THE PROJECT WHEN IT FAILED! Therefore, the firing at Tahoe never happened. OOC: in that case, my leaders would have realized that joining forces with sumeragi to fight Nueveria was a bad idea, after all, her past history before that incident PROVED she wasn't trustworthy, therefore the war against Neo Japan never happened. I want my islands back now please. See? I can do it too IC: The Empire would also like to offer any assistance Tahoe requires, and safe passage through our territory will be granted Edited February 27, 2009 by Lord Frost Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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