Franz Ferdinand Posted October 10, 2010 Report Share Posted October 10, 2010 [center][b][size="7"]The New Path[/size][/b] [i]“All citizens are equal, yet some are more equal than others.”[/i] These words, my friends, are essential in regards to the formulation of a unified world. The masses must be controlled by a central figure, one who can be trusted to do right for the people and who their absolute trust lies. Only this individual can provide efficiency to the people, equip them and guide them for when they are either in peace or at war, and to unite the people(s) of the world under one banner. The banner of Truth. The Banner of Franz. Franzism is based upon the ideals of freedom for the flock but guided by the firm yet well-informed hand of the shepherd. Those who undertake this doctrine choose their allegiances very carefully, consulting with the designated guide to determine how to proceed with certain groups of people. There are some people out there who are kind and generally respectful of others yet there are certain groups out there whose sole aim is to cause malice without any particular reason. Determining who the friends are and who the enemies could potentially be is a tough issue which can be resolved through discussion with the appointed representative. Loyalty is a core component to the doctrine of Franzism. The representative of a Franzist society must be respected and followed no matter what the cost and those who turn their back on the teachings of Franzism must be wary of those who take the doctrine to heart. Comradeship must be shown during both good times and bad, especially if the inevitable slide to war occurs. All citizens shall stand side-by-side during conflict, not doing so is a betrayal to your fellow equals who shall protect you with their lives if war occurs. If conflict does occur, those who are wrapped up within it must put the future of Franzism first. Self-interest can be a dangerous thing and cowardice can lead to instability. Franzism allows for all denizens under the watchful eye of the appointed representative to engage in trading resources and concepts with reputable people(s) on the grounds that Franzist secrets are not exchanged, for example; military drills, secret plans, bio-nuclear testing and the like. Those who spit in the face of those who provide staggering degree(s) of freedom must be punished appropriately. They must not be allowed to threaten the existence of Franzism. If spread through traditional channels efficiently, Franzism shall help foster in a new Golden Age of honesty and decency. The 'Lulzist' doctrine of unsuppressed disregard to sovereignty and honour has tainted the world for too long. The degradation of the old morals has literally turned them into fine gold grains, near impossible to encapsulate anymore. Franzism is the way to a better tomorrow, may the world become united with the honest work of the people. [/center] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vijaya Posted October 10, 2010 Report Share Posted October 10, 2010 This is awesome! Franzism - the philosophy of the future today! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanilla Napalm Posted October 10, 2010 Report Share Posted October 10, 2010 imma stick to the old path. I've spent far too long degrading our current morals, as alluring as new gold grains may be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CEverettKoop Posted October 10, 2010 Report Share Posted October 10, 2010 (edited) [quote name='Franz Ferdinand' timestamp='1286732036' post='2480459'] [i]“All citizens are equal, yet some are more equal than others.”[/i] [/quote] How many legs should the ideal citizen have, two or four? Edited October 10, 2010 by CEverettKoop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobel Posted October 11, 2010 Report Share Posted October 11, 2010 Interesting, but the "New Path" has holes in some areas. And I feel like I totally read too much into this [quote]The masses must be controlled by a central figure, one who can be trusted to do right for the people and who their absolute trust lies. Only this individual can provide efficiency to the people, equip them and guide them for when they are either in peace or at war, and to unite the people(s) of the world under one banner.[/quote] Sounds nice, but this is vague. How do I know, as part of the masses, that this individual is able to be trusted? Previous experience? Sometimes people do really good in some areas, but then they crash and burn into flames when given more responsibility ya know? [quote]Franzism is based upon the ideals of freedom for the flock but guided by the firm yet well-informed hand of the shepherd. Those who undertake this doctrine choose their allegiances very carefully, consulting with the designated guide to determine how to proceed with certain groups of people. There are some people out there who are kind and generally respectful of others yet there are certain groups out there whose sole aim is to cause malice without any particular reason. Determining who the friends are and who the enemies could potentially be is a tough issue which can be resolved through discussion with the appointed representative.[/quote] Again, very nice and idealistic sounding, but did you not just state that the masses must be "controlled" in the first passage? "Controlled" and "freedom" do not exactly go hand in hand - at least not when carried out by one central, supposedly infallible individual. And why can the flock not make their own, collective decision about the differing groups you discuss? Would this not engage them and make them more active, rather than having them sit in stagnation listening to words they have to follow? [quote]Loyalty is a core component to the doctrine of Franzism. The representative of a Franzist society must be respected and followed no matter what the cost and those who turn their back on the teachings of Franzism must be wary of those who take the doctrine to heart. Comradeship must be shown during both good times and bad, especially if the inevitable slide to war occurs. All citizens shall stand side-by-side during conflict, not doing so is a betrayal to your fellow equals who shall protect you with their lives if war occurs. If conflict does occur, those who are wrapped up within it must put the future of Franzism first. Self-interest can be a dangerous thing and cowardice can lead to instability.[/quote] Loyalty is important and necessary for stable society - but blind loyalty is dangerous. If the flock merely follows the representative without question as suggested, what is to stop them from being completely annihilated due to the fallibility of the representative? Assuming those in a Franzist society are not able to change their representative as they wish because that would violate their loyalty towards him, then how is that figure truly representative of the flock? [quote]Franzism allows for all denizens under the watchful eye of the appointed representative to engage in trading resources and concepts with reputable people(s) on the grounds that Franzist secrets are not exchanged, for example; military drills, secret plans, bio-nuclear testing and the like. Those who spit in the face of those who provide staggering degree(s) of freedom must be punished appropriately. They must not be allowed to threaten the existence of Franzism.[/quote] Who is reputable? Who is not reputable? Does its determination lie solely in the eyes of the Franzist representative or is it determined by some sort of set of laws? And the last two sentences sound authoritarian - a system with some merits, but certainly not "free". [quote]If spread through traditional channels efficiently, Franzism shall help foster in a new Golden Age of honesty and decency.[/quote] Please, an example of some alliance where it has dome this, or an alliance where this doctrine is being carried out so this statement may be validated. _______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Interesting ideas tho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franz Ferdinand Posted October 11, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 11, 2010 [quote name='Plublius' timestamp='1286755485' post='2480743'] Sounds nice, but this is vague. How do I know, as part of the masses, that this individual is able to be trusted? Previous experience? Sometimes people do really good in some areas, but then they crash and burn into flames when given more responsibility ya know? [/quote] The way to determine who is suitable for the role of the shephard is to determine who has the best world experience, best for the people and will not betray the people. [quote name='Plublius' timestamp='1286755485' post='2480743'] Again, very nice and idealistic sounding, but did you not just state that the masses must be "controlled" in the first passage? "Controlled" and "freedom" do not exactly go hand in hand - at least not when carried out by one central, supposedly infallible individual. And why can the flock not make their own, collective decision about the differing groups you discuss? Would this not engage them and make them more active, rather than having them sit in stagnation listening to words they have to follow? [/quote] Freedom and control go hand-in-hand. Absolute freedom corrupts and so does absolute control. Therefore, the appointed representative guides those following the ideals down a safe route to help negate the chances of coming into contact with more... corruptible sources. The flock is free to socialise with others, however it is in their best interests to keep them out of the ways of greed and anger. [quote name='Plublius' timestamp='1286755485' post='2480743'] Loyalty is important and necessary for stable society - but blind loyalty is dangerous. If the flock merely follows the representative without question as suggested, what is to stop them from being completely annihilated due to the fallibility of the representative? Assuming those in a Franzist society are not able to change their representative as they wish because that would violate their loyalty towards him, then how is that figure truly representative of the flock? [/quote] They are free to designate whoever they desire to lead them however, the fears you pose are somewhat true in a sense. Please let us consider the ideals of an alliance for a minute. The aim of such an organisation is to safeguard the weak and to stick together. Everything, when you think of it, requires belief, and this includes loyalty. Disbelief in a concept can be dangerous when coupled with betrayal. Nobody is infallible, nothing lasts forever, therefore, the steward is the one who best provides for his people. [quote name='Plublius' timestamp='1286755485' post='2480743'] Who is reputable? Who is not reputable? Does its determination lie solely in the eyes of the Franzist representative or is it determined by some sort of set of laws? And the last two sentences sound authoritarian - a system with some merits, but certainly not "free". [/quote] Reputability is considered somewhat like how you would designate your friends. Those who hold the same ideals to you or are altogether friendly. Would you desire to do business with those who desire you dead with every last breath? The community decides who is trustworthy and who is dangerous to deal with. [quote name='Plublius' timestamp='1286755485' post='2480743'] Please, an example of some alliance where it has dome this, or an alliance where this doctrine is being carried out so this statement may be validated. [/quote] Team Rocket has just recently adopted this ideology and there are a few people out there who sympathise with the ideals. Nothing, my friend is born in a day and as a result, it takes time to flourish. Your questions are excellently constructed and I wish you all the best in the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebel Virginia Posted October 12, 2010 Report Share Posted October 12, 2010 [color="#0000FF"]If you are in need of a fearless leader, a right and just shepherd, then you have found me.[/color] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unholy Posted October 12, 2010 Report Share Posted October 12, 2010 I'd almost take RV over this guy. [i]Almost.[/i] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creeping Death Posted October 12, 2010 Report Share Posted October 12, 2010 I'll go with RV on this one... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Choson Posted October 13, 2010 Report Share Posted October 13, 2010 [quote name='Rebel Virginia' timestamp='1286866841' post='2482186'] [color="#0000FF"]If you are in need of a fearless leader, a right and just shepherd, then you have found me.[/color] [/quote] You're [i][b]the[/b][/i] only person even remotely qualified. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axolotlia Posted October 14, 2010 Report Share Posted October 14, 2010 dang... I saw this and was hoping to see discussion on a UJP 2.0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nippy Posted October 14, 2010 Report Share Posted October 14, 2010 [quote name='CEverettKoop' timestamp='1286742600' post='2480607'] How many legs should the ideal citizen have, two or four? [/quote] Doesn't matter, as long as they can bleat loudly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franz Ferdinand Posted October 14, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 14, 2010 [quote name='Axolotlia' timestamp='1287028861' post='2484156'] dang... I saw this and was hoping to see discussion on a UJP 2.0 [/quote] That... can be arranged if need be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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